Warnock gets weirder looking as he gets older

[Bruce Wayne]

Warnock cancelled a phone in tonight, family emergency apparently. Young William took the call and said he was now in the guiness book of world records for the amount of kits he had.

 

[NotFallowfieldBlade]

You don’t need to know him to know that. He’s a replica of Brian The Blade. He’s the most arrogant, self-opinionated person ever to manage Sheffield United.

He EVENTUALLY got us back to the Prem but it took him 8 years. Few managers have had that luxury. Then he completely screwed up because it was a step too far for him. Just as it’s been ever since.

He should retire. Cherish the memories -as we all should because there were some. But it’s time to call it a day.

I think he’s so greedy he’ll carry on till he croaks it.

You must be completely deluded or plain daft if some of your best memories as a united fan were not under warnock ? Liverpool league cup semis arsenal fa cup ? Forest Play offs ? And that premier league season even though we go relegated ?

 

[Sean Thornton]

He should paint some rabbits on his head. They look like hares from a distance.
He’s the first person I know who’s eyebrows have receded.

Don't care what anyone says, Neil's had some airbrushing on his latest Talksport photo

 

[Sean Thornton]

You must be completely deluded or plain daft if some of your best memories as a united fan were not under warnock ? Liverpool league cup semis arsenal fa cup ? Forest Play offs ? And that premier league season even though we go relegated ?

I don't like him but can honestly say he brought us some great moments. Anyone who says otherwise is being dishonest. Plus some dire ones but even Bassett did that towards the end. It's the nature of management.

The PL season could have been better if it wasn't for him. Being seen in the papers and a new contract were more on his mind but instead of he capitulated by deciding we couldn't win certain games. Its always about Neil Warnock, always has been, always will be.

 

[Cerberus Blade]

You must be completely deluded or plain daft if some of your best memories as a united fan were not under warnock ? Liverpool league cup semis arsenal fa cup ? Forest Play offs ? And that premier league season even though we go relegated ?

I said we should all cherish the memories because there were some. There were “many” may have been a fairer thing for me to say.

There were also many poor ones too when his negative tactics cost us points and ultimately our Premiership status. There was the despicable, cynical “ Battle of Bramall Lane” when his unsporting behaviour brought great embarrassment to our club. The accumulation of strikers who he had no intention of playing, for reasons best known to himself. The wasted big fees on players like Claude Davis and Ahmed Fathi for them to sit in the stands. Then there was his embarrassing rants and huge ego.

Accusations about him charging players to play in the first team have surfaced and been retracted again by more than one player. I find that odd tbh.

So yes, I agree there were some great memories and the ones you mention were real highlights, absolutely. He had a very long tenure too, let’s not forget that though. Few other managers in recent years have had such a long reign.

Ultimately I believe his poor signings and tactics cost us our Premiership status. I went to almost all the games in that Prem season, home and away. And it was like watching two different teams. He was always changing the team to adapt to the opposition and playing it negatively away from home.

As to being daft and deluded - I’m neither! Not yet anyhow. It’ll come one day no doubt. And as to you telling me these should be my “best” memories, that’s a bit like me telling you what your best memories should be, without knowing what memories you have?

Mine go back to 1969. There are many. The ones under Warnock included. But that doesn’t mean I have to like or rate him as a manager.

The best manager we’ve had, in all the time I’ve been watching, is the one we’ve got now. Let’s try and agree on something there shall we? Or do you want to tell me who my favourite manager should be as well?

 

[Dkc]

Funny that the forum's "no personal insults" rule doesn't apply when it comes to insulting our most successful manager this century

 

[Dkc]

Accusations about him charging players to play in the first team have surfaced and been retracted again by more than one player. I find that odd tbh.

Ah, the old rumour that Warnock was "on the fiddle". As far as I know Warnock was among a number of managers who was investigated for various breaches of FL rules and cleared of any wrongdoing.

You're implying that a highly successful, well paid manager (and one not known for his expensive tastes) was regularly supplementing his income by picking the players willing to bung him the most cash for their selection? And in the process, of course, not picking his best team? In other words, putting personal greed before his club's success? Strange that give how successful we were under NW.

If proven,such a practice would result in any manager being banned from the game for life. Why would Warnock or any other manager risk that? It's a strong allegation and I'm not sure if you should be making it if you don't have evidence. If you do, let's hear it.

 

[I should coco]

Funny that the forum's "no personal insults" rule doesn't apply when it comes to insulting our most successful manager this century

The no personal insults rule clearly doesn't apply here, becasue he's a twat.

 

[bertieblade]

The team he picked against Wigan in the match that relegated us was very surprising to a number of players who had trained in a formation and team all week. But hey we can all dream

 

[Dkc]

The no personal insults rule clearly doesn't apply here, becasue he's a twat.

So if I think you're a twat, can I post personal insults about you? Is that allowed now?

 

[I should coco]

You're implying that a highly successful, well paid manager (and one not known for his expensive tastes) was regularly supplementing his income by picking the players willing to bung him the most cash for their selection? And in the process, of course, not picking his best team? In other words, putting personal greed before his club's success? Strange that give how successful we were under NW.

If proven,such a practice would result in any manager being banned from the game for life. Why would Warnock or any other manager risk that? It's a strong allegation and I'm not sure if you should be making it if you don't have evidence. If you do, let's hear it.

Fair enough that you are in the 'put up or shut up camp' and I agree we have seen no 100% concrete evidence.

I tend to be in the 'no smoke without fire' camp and the rumours abound, about him taking a share in gate receipts for the Cornish pre-season friendlies. AFAIA, the 'pay to play' rumours were about putting a sub on for just a few minutes. When the result is almost definite, the opportunity to put a sub on (who will get some appearance money), is a no risk change. I think plenty on here have hinted at particular ex players making these allegations, although I don't know if anyone is prepared to give names and pack drill.

For the avoidance of doubt, I have no proof he was in any way bent so I can't accuse him of such. I don't like the bloke though, having met him at several AGMs. From what I have seen of his character up close, he is not a very nice man.

 

[I should coco]

So if I think you're a twat, can I post personal insults about you? Is that allowed now?

Water off a duck's back mate, so please feel free to have a pop.

BTW, I actually am a bit of a twat at times too.

 

[Dkc]

The team he picked against Wigan in the match that relegated us was very surprising to a number of players who had trained in a formation and team all week. But hey we can all dream

So you're implying that Warnock, in the most important game of his life, with millions of pounds resting on the result (both for the club and NW himself), decided to not pay his strongest team and instead pick the 11 willing to bung him the most dosh? All he needed to do was avoid defeat and he'd have been a hero and probably rewarded with a lucrative new contract. Why risk that?

There's obviously no logic in it, but let's just carry on making snide innuendos, eh?

 

[Revolution]

Ah, the old rumour that Warnock was "on the fiddle". As far as I know Warnock was among a number of managers who was investigated for various breaches of FL rules and cleared of any wrongdoing.

You're implying that a highly successful, well paid manager (and one not known for his expensive tastes) was regularly supplementing his income by picking the players willing to bung him the most cash for their selection? And in the process, of course, not picking his best team? In other words, putting personal greed before his club's success? Strange that give how successful we were under NW.

If proven,such a practice would result in any manager being banned from the game for life. Why would Warnock or any other manager risk that? It's a strong allegation and I'm not sure if you should be making it if you don't have evidence. If you do, let's hear it.

The person who was most recently the source of such an accusation was Jason Puncheon, who made the accusation in a Twitter post.

Puncheon took the post down, but the FA fined him anyway.

However, the FA is not known to have carried out any investigation into the allegation, and Puncheon is on record as having said that he was never asked about it. He was just fined.

 

[Dkc]

Fair enough that you are in the 'put up or shut up camp' and I agree we have seen no 100% concrete evidence.

I tend to be in the 'no smoke without fire' camp and the rumours abound, about him taking a share in gate receipts for the Cornish pre-season friendlies. AFAIA, the 'pay to play' rumours were about putting a sub on for just a few minutes. When the result is almost definite, the opportunity to put a sub on (who will get some appearance money), is a no risk change. I think plenty on here have hinted at particular ex players making these allegations, although I don't know if anyone is prepared to give names and pack drill.

For the avoidance of doubt, I have no proof he was in any way bent so I can't accuse him of such. I don't like the bloke though, having met him at several AGMs. From what I have seen of his character up close, he is not a very nice man.

How would you like it if I posted on a forum read by your former customers and colleagues that you were on the fiddle at work, basically robbing your company and cheating your customers? Even though there's no proof of your guilt, I'm entitld to post the allegations because someone who doesn't like you said something in a pub - and I'm in the "no smoke without fire" camp.

Can't you see that such allegations or references shouldn't be made on a public forum without proof?

 

[I should coco]

However, the FA is not known to have carried out any investigation into the allegation,

Worms, can, of......

the FA fined him anyway

Pour encourager le autres.

I would presume it is rife in the game, especially among the 'old school' brigade. The FA have far more to do maintaining brand awareness and selling Wembley, rather than lifting the carpet on any wrongdoing.

 

[bertieblade]

So you're implying that Warnock, in the most important game of his life, with millions of pounds resting on the result (both for the club and NW himself), decided to not pay his strongest team and instead pick the 11 willing to bung him the most dosh? All he needed to do was avoid defeat and he'd have been a hero and probably rewarded with a lucrative new contract. Why risk that?

There's obviously no logic in it, but let's just carry on making snide innuendos, eh?

I am not implying that at all, I am saying that the team that had trained all week was not the team that played in the match.
How do I know because, players have said so.

 

[Dkc]

The person who was most recently the source of such an accusation was Jason Puncheon, who made the accusation in a Twitter post.

Puncheon took the post down, but the FA fined him anyway.

However, the FA is not known to have carried out any investigation into the allegation, and Puncheon is on record as having said that he was never asked about it. He was just fined.

There's no denying that Warnock has a fair few enemies in the game, including players, officials and refs. He has plenty of enemies on this forum too, it seems, many of whom are happt to repeat unsubstantiated allegations again and again without any evidence.

 

[Dkc]

I am not implying that at all, I am saying that the team that had trained all week was not the team that played in the match.
How do I know because, players have said so.

Of course that's the implication. The context was this - we're talking about Warnock taking "pay for play" bungs. You pipe in and say that the team he picked against Wiganwas "very surprising to a number of players".

Warnock was well known for pulling surprises in his team selections, and often outsmarted the opposition by choosing a different team to the one expected. Why the fuck wouldn't he play the team he thought had the best chance of avoiding defeat v Wigan?

I think the problem in that game was that we only needed a draw, and that clouded his thinking.

 

[I should coco]

Can't you see that such allegations or references shouldn't be made on a public forum without proof?

Of course I can see that, especially if it were just one or two embittered loonies. The trouble is that these accusations are far more numerous than that, which gives more credibility to the rumours.

How would you like it if I posted on a forum read by your former customers and colleagues that you were on the fiddle at work, basically robbing your company

I am a director and major shareholder of my own (very small) company, so you would look very silly.

In addition to that, I do not seek publicity by pushing my large hooter in front of every available tv camera, cosying up with Alan Brazill and desperately seeking even the smallest chunks of media limelight. If I did that, then maybe I'd expect any daft stuff I'd done to come out.

 

[Dkc]

Worms, can, of......



Pour encourager le autres.

I would presume it is rife in the game, especially among the 'old school' brigade. The FA have far more to do maintaining brand awareness and selling Wembley, rather than lifting the carpet on any wrongdoing.

I wouldn't presume that. How much would a manager want from the player to make it worth his while? Two grand? Five? I suspect more, given that the penalty would be a ban from the game. Players in dressing rooms talk, and it would soon get out. Plus the payment would need to be made in cash, secretly. The player would need to withdraw the cash from his bank, and then hand it over. Managers are paid well enough these days not to risk being sacked and banned for life for taking a bung.

It may well have gone on in the lower leagues years ago. If a player was on an appearance bonus (say an extra ten grand for 50 appearances) I could see a manager perhaps bringing him on as a late sub for a cut of the bonus. But I doubt it goes on in the PL or Championship, and I doubt it did when NW was our manager.

 

[Dkc]

Of course I can see that, especially if it were just one or two embittered loonies. The trouble is that these accusations are far more numerous than that, which gives more credibility to the rumours.
.

OK so how many other players are out there accusing Warnock of taking bungs? Please list them. I only know of the one tweet that was withdrawn. It was from one player who didn't start regularly under NW, a player who was fined for making an unsubstantiated allegation.

You and others can't seem to grasp what you can and can't say on a public forum. You can't allude to, or imply, rumours of wrongdoing without a shred of proof. Football managers are like any other managers in the corporate world. You can't simply imply on a public forum that someone is a crook, If, as you seem to think, so much evidence exists against NW, why haven't the authorities done anything?

 

[Dkc]

I do not seek publicity by pushing my large hooter in front of every available tv camera, cosying up with Alan Brazill and desperately seeking even the smallest chunks of media limelight. If I did that, then maybe I'd expect any daft stuff I'd done to come out.

Funny, I don't see him 'pushing [his] large hooter in front of every available tv camera" and "desperately seeking even the smallest chunks of media limelight". Warnock is a high profile Premier League football manager, and also sometimes acts as a pundit. He's in demand as an entertaining and often outspoken pundit, but so are many other current and former football managers.

 

[Dkc]

I really hope Neil is following this thread. Fuckin hilarious.

If he saw this thread I suspect that Foxy and Linz might soon be hearing from his lawyer.

I don't think it's "fucking hillarious" to mercilessly rip the piss out of the appearence of a 70 year old bloke who's wife's suffering from cancer who happens to be our most successful manager this century, a Sheffielder and a Blade. People that dislike him regularly throw all kinds of personal insults his way, laugh at his big nose, question his morals and claim that he's bent, but never offer any proof. If he's had some botox treatment he wouldn't be the first bloke to do it, and won't be the last. It shouldn't matter and I personally don't give a shit.

 

[I should coco]

OK so how many other players are out there accusing Warnock of taking bungs? Please list them.

No idea. as I only referred to seeing others making these types of claims. They may choose to reply to your post with more information, or more likely given your hectoring tone, ignore it.

You and others can't seem to grasp what you can and can't say on a public forum. You can't allude to, or imply, rumours of wrongdoing without a shred of proof

Agreed. The normal remedy would be that an 'injured party' would sue for defamation. Cleary as NW's staunchest defender you can sleep easy knowing there will be no midnight knock at your door.

Funny, I don't see him 'pushing [his] large hooter in front of every available tv camera" and "desperately seeking even the smallest chunks of media limelight"

Well I do.

Do we have to solve this with pistols at dawn, or should we just accept to differ?

 

[Sean Thornton]

No idea. as I only referred to seeing others making these types of claims. They may choose to reply to your post with more information, or more likely given your hectoring tone, ignore it.



Agreed. The normal remedy would be that an 'injured party' would sue for defamation. Cleary as NW's staunchest defender you can sleep easy knowing there will be no midnight knock at your door.



Well I do.

Do we have to solve this with pistols at dawn, or should we just accept to differ?

The pistols at dawn thing. I can get you out of it, if there's a drink in it......

 

[Dkc]

No idea. as I only referred to seeing others making these types of claims. They may choose to reply to your post with more information, or more likely given your hectoring tone, ignore it.
?

You said that the allegations are 'far more numerous' than a single deleted tweet from one person, which, you say, makes the 'rumours' far more credible.

I'm saying that there haven't been numerous seperate allegations at all.

Can you point us to all these 'others making these types of claims' (and I don't mean simply repeating rumours with no source apart from the Tweet). If you can't, then I'd suggest that its just a game of Chinese whispers played by people who dislike NW.

I'm not his biggest fan at all BTW but beleive that no one should be subject to such vicious personal attacks without any evidence

 

[I should coco]

The pistols at dawn thing. I can get you out of it,

How's that then?

Is Dkc your alter ego for posting pro Warmock stuff?

if there's a drink in it.....

Cremorne saturday from 2pm. I'll be easy to spot as I'm a twat.

 

[I should coco]

You said that the allegations are 'far more numerous' than a single deleted tweet from one person, which, you say, makes the 'rumours' far more credible.

I'm saying that there haven't been numerous seperate allegations at all.

I'm not a full time Warnock-hater and have other stuff to do. If you really are that interested, search this site. From memory I seem to think there have a number of posts in the last 6 months from a few different posters.

 

[Dkc]

given your hectoring tone,

I'm trying to debate the issue respectfully. Sorry if you think I have a 'hectoring tone' but that really should not be a reason to dismiss my arguments and decline to provide evidence supporting your claims