Wanker of the week (4))

[Liverpool blade]

Take a look at this link, we are not the first to realise he is ruining football and careers http://www.empireofthekop.com/2015/...wn-football-agents-are-they-ruining-football/

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. Just read the link!!. OMG. This guy clearly is a wanker!!. I just hope that it's the beginning of the end of his career as a football agent?. I doubt that will be the case as clubs who have got money to burn won't care how much they have to pay him as part of the fee!!. I just feel sorry for these young players who can't fart without his permission?. I hope that our youngsters like brooks ect have got better agents?. I M H O.

 

[Sharrow Snuff Mill]

Just a thought, maybe the contract a player had with his agent is so watertight they aren't allowed to do things like that without consent or a serious financial penalty.

These are young lads who were even younger when they signed their contracts with the agents. You don't hear about more senior players breaking from their agents all that often so I don't see how a young lad would be able to do it.

Ultimately, it feels like a watered down third party ownership. If the agent doesn't want a player to leave he can't. Agents sort out players contracts so you can guarantee the contract they have with the players will be close to airtight.

I don`t much about the contractual situation between players and their agents. Is there almost a standard form of contract, or are there variations according to who the agent is ? If a player engages the PFA or a solicitor for advice, then he pays a fee, but makes his own decisions presumably. It would seem that this is not the case with agents ?

 

[Pittsburg Blade]

Ultimately, its not a bad idea. Need to avoid picking on blades players though. Should be plenty of other targets most weeks

Me! Me! Pick me!

 

[metalblade]

Sounds a bit like 3rd party ownership wasn't one of the players from West Ham ?

 

[DronnieBlade]

Yes it's you, the agents can drive a much much harder bargain.

Imagine you are David Brooks, let's say his recent contract pays him £5K a week.
And United offered him an extension up to £8K a week, seems a big pay rise and David on his own would likely sign it.

However his agent might say that with recent transfer rises, then in a few years David could easily be worth £30 million.
The agent might say he has similar talents in his stable, he might say Quinna is paid £20K a week and Sinclair is paid £22K a week.
The agent will say that you only have to look on your own S24SU forum and many suggest he's the hottest talent since Tony Currie.
The agent will say he's knows the market and he knows for a fact Brooks could get close to £25K a week at Man City or Man Utd.

In summary Brooks on his own would probably settle for an increase from £5K to £8K a week.
The agent will say the club is taking advantage of the player, economics and market forces prove he's worth £20K a week.

The recent trend which is creating all these problems is "how do you value POTENTIAL'?
Quinna, Sinclair and Brooks all have massive talent but neither have achieved anything, in fact they've hardly started played a single game in league football, but either could end up being a big PL star. So how much are they worth?

PL clubs have money to burn so can afford to gamble by storing up talented yougsters, giving them a wage that sets them up for life, then they rarely play again. It's madness really.

So you've managed to deduce all of this, but grown men who just so happen to be footballers rather than contract lawyers can not ????

Me thinks not.

Rather over simplified all of that. On top of which are the horrendous fees agents charge to act as middle men.

Who's to say in your analogy Brooks or his parents aunties and uncles can't negotiate everything you say he can without the use of an "agent" ?? You seem to be able to do it. It doesn't seem that difficult. Just go on S2 4SU and you have all you would ever need

And if there is no agent, there is no agent fee. More in the players pocket. Theoretically.

It will take time, but mark my words, agents will die a death.

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P.S Sinclair and Quinas agent said to his clients that they could get "more". That worked out well didn't it !!!!!!

 

[sitwell]

So you've managed to deduce all of this, but grown men who just so happen to be footballers rather than contract lawyers can not ????

Me thinks not.

Rather over simplified all of that. On top of which are the horrendous fees agents charge to act as middle men.

Who's to say in your analogy Brooks or his parents aunties and uncles can't negotiate everything you say he can without the use of an "agent" ?? You seem to be able to do it. It doesn't seem that difficult. Just go on S2 4SU and you have all you would ever need

And if there is no agent, there is no agent fee. More in the players pocket. Theoretically.

It will take time, but mark my words, agents will die a death.

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P.S Sinclair and Quinas agent said to his clients that they could get "more". That worked out well didn't it !!!!!!

Did you use an estate agent to buy or sell your house?

 

[Davalon]

The agent's a shithouse, but Sinclair should have taken control at such a late point.

Having said that, you have to imagine that these rich individuals that make their money out of the wheeling and dealing of young athletes must possess very impressive manipulation skills.

You don't sign up with an agent who gets you a mega deal and then just do what you want sadly when his move doesnt suit.

 

[Grappler]

May i open with the agent of Jerome Sinclair. Clearly the lad wanted to come, hence being sat at Midland Station waiting for the move to happen only to be gazumped at the last minute. Feel sorry for the guy.

Poor kid probably never even managed to get a quick pint in the Sheffield Tap

 

[DronnieBlade]

Did you use an estate agent to buy or sell your house?

Yes. In the past I have. It was the only viable option.

Would I today, given the alternative channels available ? I'd at least consider the other channels, which are invariably cheaper.

On top of which, an estate agent would provide me with a price that I would either accept or decline. This would form the basis of the marketing and sale contract for the property. Binding and in writing.

Finally, I know of not 1 estate agent that has EVER demanded twice the agreed fee an hour before a property sale is set for exchange of contracts / completion.

Poor analogy.

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[sitwell]

Yes. In the past I have. It was the only viable option.

Would I today, given the alternative channels available ? I'd at least consider the other channels, which are invariably cheaper.

On top of which, an estate agent would provide me with a price that I would either accept or decline. This would form the basis of the marketing and sale contract for the property. Binding and in writing.

Finally, I know of not 1 estate agent that has EVER demanded twice the agreed fee an hour before a property sale is set for exchange of contracts / completion.

Poor analogy.

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Majority of footballers are not academic ,they wouldn't understand the ins and outs of a contract ,believe me ,one of my best mates used to be one ,hes all on making the bed ,his Mrs pays all the bills and takes care of everything. This is usually a directive from a club who expect a pro to concentrate all their energies on football. Our most successful player of the last 2 decades doesn't even understand its not right to drive a glamorous bird home in her car pissed up.

 

[DronnieBlade]

Majority of footballers are not academic ,they wouldn't understand the ins and outs of a contract ,believe me ,one of my best mates used to be one ,hes all on making the bed ,his Mrs pays all the bills and takes care of everything. This is usually a directive from a club who expect a pro to concentrate all their energies on football. Our most successful player of the last 2 decades doesn't even understand its not right to drive a glamorous bird home in her car pissed up.

Yea. I get that.

But in any walk of life, if you need specialist help, you pay for specialists. Be it a reputable builder to do your extension, or a solicitor to help prevent your soon to be ex from fleecing you dry !

There is help from the PFA available, as an alternative. No idea how this is viewed by players. Perhaps not so great, given the role agents continue to provide to players.

Rightly or wrongly, I believe that any person SHOULD be able to justify what they do, and how they are remunerated. It is accepted that minimum wage vocations will quite rightly pay less than professional occupations will.

I wonder how many hours of his time Paul Pogba's agent put in to the "deal" that could justify his estimated £25m fee ?

It's getting out of hand. My main point in putting this out there is that i whole heartedly agree with our manager when he says there has got to be a better way.

Three extra bodies would now be "in the building" available for the manager to select. The squad would be stronger. In the process, the three lads in question would have the opportunity to increase their own personal stock "value". Win / Win for all.

Difficult as it stands to see how anyone has won in this whole debacle. IMHO.

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[Northyorksblade]

I've just read a tweet from Sinclair saying, don't believe everything you read, I'm very happy at Watford and want to stay here,

 

[DronnieBlade]

As an example, Top London lawyers apparently charge up to £1,000 per hour. These people are at the very top of their profession, are the "go to" specialists when these type of services are required , and will have studied their specialised subject for years, signed up to a code of conduct and will be duty bound to perform duties diligently, professionally and with regard to ongoing training, monitoring and competence.

See where I am going with this ?????

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[DronnieBlade]

I've just read a tweet from Sinclair saying, don't believe everything you read, I'm very happy at Watford and want to stay here,

In which case, I seriously doubt he was ever on that train.

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[WalkelyFan]

In which case, I seriously doubt he was ever on that train.

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But he was going to stay at Watford and just come here on loan. He is clearly doing his agent a favour by saying "I prefer reserve team football with the stiffs and a couple of hundred watching if I am lucky, rather than fighting for a place in a team run by a successful manager and possibly playing in front of 27,000 every other week where I might stand a chance of making a name for myself".

 

[Guesty]

Poor kid probably never even managed to get a quick pint in the Sheffield Tap

If he was there all day he *might * have managed to get served.

 

[ShockingBadBuy]

Hopefully with the Bleacher Report exposing the parasite cunt, some managers and players might refuse to deal with him and ruin his career. Probably not.

Take a look at this link, we are not the first to realise he is ruining football and careers http://www.empireofthekop.com/2015/...wn-football-agents-are-they-ruining-football/UTB

It's positive that the shifting deal, and the reasons for its collapse, are a matter of public record and remain freely viewable. Campaigns and crusades over other stuff have gained rapid momentum and public support from similar low-key beginnings. Who knows where a sustained, organised, public lobbying of FIFA to change the way players can be represented by agents might lead ? (Sadly, the answer to that is probably in the last sentence, in the use of the word "FIFA").

Perhaps it's just because we're discussing it a lot on here at the moment, but it does feel like the climate might be right to be pushing for some kind of meaningful reform on this at present. In the end, this is about the daily governance of the game now, such is the role and influence of agents. If I was writing an opinion piece for a sports section tonight, I'd be suggesting that FIFA's disinterest in launching a root and branch review of the role of agents in football, worldwide, is one example of how the post-Blatter gang are just as negligent and bad for the game as the old lot.

 

[blade67]

Ultimately, agents exist because clubs used to screw young players over, so they learned to "lawyer up".

The fact that some of these agents act in an immoral way is just a fact of life. The way this deal ended looks like everyone lost out. If all his deals end that way, he'll not be an agent for very long, but agents aren't going away