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So, it looks like one is going to QPR and the other to Pompey. Did we really want them. Are we being crapped on again? Some say you should never go back...but I am not so sure. I am as happy as anyone with the last two results but we must build on that and not sit back and all of a sudden think we are world beaters.
 



Agree with sensi about mixed posts and i am sure this will be moved. The question is would we want to use up a season loan of either of these to? i would say no personally i think we are covered at both RB and LB, i would much prefer speedo to get a striker in on a season loan or a pacy winger.
 
We seem to have unearthed a reasonable alternative in Calve to be honest, and let's not forget that Lowton is still developing. Pace, be it out wide or up front, is what we need. We arguably have 4 right-backs in the squad, so don't need another.
 
LoughboroBlade said:
We seem to have unearthed a reasonable alternative in Calve to be honest, and let's not forget that Lowton is still developing. Pace, be it out wide or up front, is what we need. We arguably have 4 right-backs in the squad, so don't need another.
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No doubt they're better than what we have, but what we have is enough.

If we're going to loan someone I also want to see the budget spent on a rapid forward. God knows who mind...
 
Off to Spurs they went, chasing the money, and back in the championship they are.
 
Correct. Doesn't it show how the modern game rewards players who haven't made it yet, though?
 
axel smeets said:
Off to Spurs they went, chasing the money, and back in the championship they are.
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Dumbest thing they ever did was go to Spurs instead of Everton.
A good chance one of them might have gone to the World Cup under Moyes.
 
lenners said:
Dumbest thing they ever did was go to Spurs instead of Everton.
A good chance one of them might have gone to the World Cup under Moyes.
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if Jagielka didn't get his chance then they certainly wouldn't have done.

Neither of them are better than Glen Johnson at this moment, and he wanted the experience of Carragher, not that did us any good.

A line has been firmly drawn under both of these players. They're not ours anymore! We sold them for a lot of money (remember were skint) on the back of a season from one player and barely a quarter of a season from another. Whether we can afford to loan these players back doesnt matter. we dont need them, and we have no right to say they should come to us.

i also think its a shame some people on here are stating they went off chasing the money. they went to a club which is now in the champions league, have better coaches, facilities and players on which they can better themselves. people need to get over this, its a winger and a striker we need.
 
Jags had been injured. If he hadn't been he would almost certainly have gone as Capello is a fan hence him being number one choice in the absence of Terry and Ferdinand.
Everton have been weak at right back and there was a fabulous opportunity for one of them to take.
I don't think we should try to get either of them back now as we've now got two full backs - and I presume we probably couldn't afford them in any case.
We desperately need a bit more up front but unless Ched suddenly turns into a genuine £3m player we're stuck with a huge salary we can't shift.
 
lenners said:
Dumbest thing they ever did was go to Spurs instead of Everton.
A good chance one of them might have gone to the World Cup under Moyes.
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If thats the dumbest thing then the statement matches.
 



Sensiblade said:
Glen Johnson is terrible, I don't think i've seen him have one good game defensively. He's ok going forward, but as a full back I'd rather have Gary Neville and I hate Gary Neville!
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Johnson isn't terrible, and there probably isnt a better rb for england at the moment. Neville wouldnt do 90 for england now.
 
I've said elsewhere that if Walker had moved to a mid-table Prem club he'd be knocking on the door of the England squad by now. He really does need to get away from there ASAP. Needs to be at a club that can afford to let him make a mistake or two whereas old 'Arry is shit scared of letting the youngsters have a go and will inevitably stick with the experience of Corluka and Kaboul etc.

Given a good 15-20 game run playing at the top level and he could make that position his without a doubt IMO.
 
lenners said:
A good chance one of them might have gone to the World Cup under Moyes.
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Unlikely. More likely they'd have been played out of position for the majority of the season until Moyes realised he'd actually signed two full-backs.
 
No we don't need them on loan for the reasons stated above, a bit more pace and firepower in attacking areas is the priority - then we can get promoted and sign them back on the cheap next year;)
 
I cannot beleive that someone thinks there was a possibility of them going to the world cup if they had been with a different team. They are miles down the pecking order at the moment and still would have been with a different team.
 
boo radley said:
I cannot beleive that someone thinks there was a possibility of them going to the world cup if they had been with a different team. They are miles down the pecking order at the moment and still would have been with a different team.
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I disagree, had Naughton gone to Everton and continued to improve he would have been close, there was definitely an opportunity for him to get into the first team at Everton from the start of last season. The options at right back in the England squad are the weakest in the team. Unfortunately for him his move to Tottenham seems to have set him back in football terms.
 
boo radley said:
I cannot beleive that someone thinks there was a possibility of them going to the world cup if they had been with a different team. They are miles down the pecking order at the moment and still would have been with a different team.
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There was a reason Spurs spent £5m on Naughton at the time but he would have had a great chance of actually playing at Everton.
A really dumb move by both players though Walker probably knew he'd be loaned straight back and could continue getting regular first team experience.
As for England, there's an erratic Glen Johnson and that's about it. So another young full back playing at a leading Premiership club would have been bang in line.
Rocket science it is not.
 
lenners said:
Jags had been injured. If he hadn't been he would almost certainly have gone as Capello is a fan hence him being number one choice in the absence of Terry and Ferdinand..
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So what if Jags had been injured? So had King (constantly injured too) and he was chosen for the WC. Jags was probably behind Dawson, King, Ferdinand, Carragher and Terry. Although his recent England performances will have given him an edge on a couple of them.


lenners said:
As for England, there's an erratic Glen Johnson and that's about it. So another young full back playing at a leading Premiership club would have been bang in line.
Rocket science it is not.
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Cappello thought Joe Hart was too inexperienced, despite playing at Birmingham and putting in some magnificent displays. In fact, he wasn't even second choice.
If he can't edge his way into a very problematic area for England, Naughton/Walker would have had no chance.

I believe Walker may well make the step up one day to the England team, but he is nowhere near that standard at the moment. The problem with us Blades, we believe our players to be better than they actually are.
 
Apparently Mr Rednapp wants Naughton to sign a new contract before allowing him to go anywhere on loan. Is there any chance that KN has been stalling because he's seen the light and wants first team chances or is it just Harry dotting the i's and crossing the t's?
 
Robbie said:
So what if Jags had been injured? So had King (constantly injured too) and he was chosen for the WC. Jags was probably behind Dawson, King, Ferdinand, Carragher and Terry. Although his recent England performances will have given him an edge on a couple of them.



Cappello thought Joe Hart was too inexperienced, despite playing at Birmingham and putting in some magnificent displays. In fact, he wasn't even second choice.
If he can't edge his way into a very problematic area for England, Naughton/Walker would have had no chance.

I believe Walker may well make the step up one day to the England team, but he is nowhere near that standard at the moment. The problem with us Blades, we believe our players to be better than they actually are.
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The problem is actually the opposite. Even though teams with Champions League ambitions wanted to sign them, some Blades still believe they can't be that good because we produced them.
It's a bit of a typical Sheffield thing in general. Small time thinking based on the old village inferiority complex.
As for Jags, it was and is well known that Capello liked Jags and only his injury and lack of football held him back last year.
 
About time we moved on from this subject I think. They've gone elsewhere....end of discussion. They would have been expensive and we didn't need them (as good as they are). Time to move forward....new manager, new players, new era. we'll wait for the next youngsters to come through..........then sell them :rolleyes:

UTB
 
lenners said:
The problem is actually the opposite. Even though teams with Champions League ambitions wanted to sign them, some Blades still believe they can't be that good because we produced them.
It's a bit of a typical Sheffield thing in general. Small time thinking based on the old village inferiority complex.
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Really Len, who said they aren't that good?
 
lenners said:
The problem is actually the opposite. Even though teams with Champions League ambitions wanted to sign them, some Blades still believe they can't be that good because we produced them.
It's a bit of a typical Sheffield thing in general. Small time thinking based on the old village inferiority complex.
As for Jags, it was and is well known that Capello liked Jags and only his injury and lack of football held him back last year.
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Scarialy I am with len on this one. The difference between King and Jags was that King could play games he just couldn't train and Capello took a calculated risk. Jags had just returned from a very serious injury and probably wasn't up to speed. I do believe that if KN or KW had gone to Everton and played first team football they would certainly be on the discussion table to SA in the summer. They are not going to develop playing reserve team football at Spurs. There is also a huge step up from Championship to Premiership and I think that it is pure guesswork to say t hat they would have made this step at their young age. Walker does seem to have done well when he has played for Spurs though I think he has to work a lot more on the defensive side as the errors are still there for all to see.
 



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