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Idling the day away on hols and catching up with general football news .

Chelsea owners very interested in the Leicester manager above the Brentford (who they like and respect) and Ipswich managers ( who has signed new deal at PR) because he ‘shares our vision for the future’ , something that Potchatino didn’t , apparently.

Got me thinking - what is this vision for the future?
And much much more importantly, what’s our owners vision for the future ?

Because other than sell us and try to keep some interest in the club , there seems to be no vision and plan other than keep all supporters in the dark and try to survive hand to mouth .

Our vision for the future ?

Fkd if I know
 

Bell4 said:
Idling the day away on hols and catching up with general football news .

Chelsea owners very interested in the Leicester manager above the Brentford (who they like and respect) and Ipswich managers ( who has signed new deal at PR) because he ‘shares our vision for the future’ , something that Potchatino didn’t , apparently.

Got me thinking - what is this vision for the future?

And much much more importantly, what’s our owners vision for the future ?

Because other than sell us and try to keep some interest in the club , there seems to be no vision and plan other than keep all supporters in the dark and try to survive hand ti mouth .

Our vision for the future ?

Fkd if I know
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I mentioned this last summer. Its very hard and also a little pointless for the current owner to provide a grand vision for the future when the future for him and us will be to go our separate ways.

So the club is currently in a state of flux, without a grand plan other than to get up and ensure the outgoings are taken care of.

What the current owners have done in the last few years is tried to provide stability in the football management aspect, providing both Wilder and Hecky with long term deals. This is always important as it allows the club to build on the style of that manager. Thats not just in terms of playing staff, but backroom as well.

The problem comes when the long term manager doesn't get the results or the club don't also share the managers vision and they part company. Then you're back to square one, like we were with Slav, potentially the right man at the wrong time and wrong players.

Until we have the ownership settled to move forward, there appears to be a plan on a season by season basis.
 
A vision should be an aim and aspiration - whether you get there or not is a different question.

For me our aspiration from a well backed new owener should be "A secure Premier League football club with strong infrastructure including a modern stadium and Category A academy, that challenges for European positions in the league and regularly gets to the final 8 within Domestic Cup competitions"
 
SwissBlade is spot on, there can't be one until the owner has a long term plan to keep us. Potentially a concern with private equity buyers is that sometimes they aren't in it for the long term, just to stabilise, grow and sell at a profit so even with a new owner, we may be limited in terms of vision other than to buy a half decent side, get us promoted and established as PL side.

If the question is what I would want the vision to be, the day dream would be a club that is financially stable, bringing through good quality youngsters into a first team pushing promotion and then building into a solid mid table PL side. I would like us to continue to be a recognisable Sheffield United side with strong work ethic and team identity. For example I like that we (in general) are maybe more naïve than others around diving etc. It probably holds us back but I buy into that.

I think the money in football has ruined most of the dreams. Us winning the FA cup with a couple of Sheffield born youngsters in the starting line up would be the ultimate for me, not buying our way to champions league football
 
Iffy Onuora's Shiny Head said:
A vision should be an aim and aspiration - whether you get there or not is a different question.

For me our aspiration from a well backed new owener should be "A secure Premier League football club with strong infrastructure including a modern stadium and Category A academy, that challenges for European positions in the league and regularly gets to the final 8 within Domestic Cup competitions"
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That will do
 
Bell4 said:
Idling the day away on hols and catching up with general football news .

Chelsea owners very interested in the Leicester manager above the Brentford (who they like and respect) and Ipswich managers ( who has signed new deal at PR) because he ‘shares our vision for the future’ , something that Potchatino didn’t , apparently.

Got me thinking - what is this vision for the future?
And much much more importantly, what’s our owners vision for the future ?

Because other than sell us and try to keep some interest in the club , there seems to be no vision and plan other than keep all supporters in the dark and try to survive hand to mouth .

Our vision for the future ?

Fkd if I know
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Must be a mind blowing holiday
 
If we had major money coming in, my three aims would be:-
  • Cat 1 Academy hoovering up the best talent this side of the Pennines. State of the art training ground / recruitment.
  • Improved facilities in terms of corporate / commercial on the South and Safe Standing on the Kop. Maintaining affordability.
  • Cementing ourselves as Yorkshire’s No 1 football team for the next 5-10 years.
 
dexter101 said:
SwissBlade is spot on, there can't be one until the owner has a long term plan to keep us. Potentially a concern with private equity buyers is that sometimes they aren't in it for the long term, just to stabilise, grow and sell at a profit so even with a new owner, we may be limited in terms of vision other than to buy a half decent side, get us promoted and established as PL side.

If the question is what I would want the vision to be, the day dream would be a club that is financially stable, bringing through good quality youngsters into a first team pushing promotion and then building into a solid mid table PL side. I would like us to continue to be a recognisable Sheffield United side with strong work ethic and team identity. For example I like that we (in general) are maybe more naïve than others around diving etc. It probably holds us back but I buy into that.

I think the money in football has ruined most of the dreams. Us winning the FA cup with a couple of Sheffield born youngsters in the starting line up would be the ultimate for me, not buying our way to champions league football
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And to return to the point of Bell4 clubs often put out a vision of their owners, Chelsea or Man City owners will no doubt be wanting to buy the leagues, but their hardcore fans, the ones that will still be there when the money has gone, will perhaps want something different. But that doesn't bring the coin in and a return on their investment.

I think something which the club has done very well over the years (with some gripes) is to tune into the history of the club and what makes us tick. I do think that unless the owner is a mega owner like at Man U (INEOS), Man City or Newcastle, then the model has to be different and consider how the club can earn money.

City owners were perhaps ahead of the curve when they bought the club, the money they have invested into the local area, the infrastructure and the academy has been perhaps timed perfectly as the rules just weren't being applied, but perhaps that is catching up with them now. But they invested in the best manager and built the most successful club, I have admiration for them, but I wouldn't also want us to be like them.

We, like many clubs in the Upper Championship / Lower Premier League have to invest in the academy, invest in scouting young players so that we can both develop and finish developing players which we recruit. We have to bring players in that we can add value to, through sales.

You're right about would ethic and honesty. That has to be something which never changes.

The vision has to be something shared with the owners, throughout the club, the fans and the players, because i think recently we have had players that don't share our vision. That can't happen in the future
 
Rodley said:
If we had major money coming in, my three aims would be:-
  • Cat 1 Academy hoovering up the best talent this side of the Pennines. State of the art training ground / recruitment.
  • Improved facilities in terms of corporate / commercial on the South and Safe Standing on the Kop. Maintaining affordability.
  • Cementing ourselves as Yorkshire’s No 1 football team for the next 5-10 years.
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You don't want much do you! Can't disagree !! much of the same from me.!
 
Rodley said:
If we had major money coming in, my three aims would be:-
  • Cat 1 Academy hoovering up the best talent this side of the Pennines. State of the art training ground / recruitment.
  • Improved facilities in terms of corporate / commercial on the South and Safe Standing on the Kop. Maintaining affordability.
  • Cementing ourselves as Yorkshire’s No 1 football team for the next 5-10 years.
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I think the Cat 1 Academy has to be studied properly, financially and on a cost-benefit basis and we take a concious decision to go with it and develop or not. There are benefits to not doing it as well, but it means we have to be the biggest fish outside the Cat 1 pond, if that makes sense. We hoover the next level up

It's probably a no brainer if we develop the facilities as you say to state of the art.
 
Rodley said:
If we had major money coming in, my three aims would be:-
  • Cat 1 Academy hoovering up the best talent this side of the Pennines. State of the art training ground / recruitment.
  • Improved facilities in terms of corporate / commercial on the South and Safe Standing on the Kop. Maintaining affordability.
  • Cementing ourselves as Yorkshire’s No 1 football team for the next 5-10 years.
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Totally agreed with this!
 

Rodley said:
If we had major money coming in, my three aims would be:-
  • Cat 1 Academy hoovering up the best talent this side of the Pennines. State of the art training ground / recruitment.
  • Improved facilities in terms of corporate / commercial on the South and Safe Standing on the Kop. Maintaining affordability.
  • Cementing ourselves as Yorkshire’s No 1 football team for the next 5-10 years.
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I'd agree with this.
 
It's more what we aspire to rather than a vision . I think in terms of infrastructure we should at least keep pace with the top 20 league clubs , ( not necessarily Premier league clubs ) . Just in terms of the set up of the club , facilitaties, academy and philosophy. We all want success on the pitch but with the structure and investment at least we have an environment in which we can be the best we can be . We'll never be a " big 6" , not to say we can't achieve that in league terms but in terms of sheer size . What we can be is the best version of sufc possible . A respected and sound club who have a recognised philosophy on and off the pitch that is reflective of our history, heritage , City and supporters. Going back to the original question this will take a long term shared vision with owners ,managers supporters , sustained investment and a degree of patience. Let's hope we get all of those .UTB
 
As others have said there's no vision as the owner doesn't want to be here. His vision is to run the club on a self sustainable basis , whilst trying to protect the value of his asset. Ie he doesn't want to put more money in whilst getting the highest possible price for it

He could maintain this 'purgatory status quo' for a long time. Only a drop in revenue forces him to lower his price and the fact that season ticket sales sound good and we've got parachute payments incoming that's not likely to happen soon
 
Bell4 said:
Idling the day away on hols and catching up with general football news .

Chelsea owners very interested in the Leicester manager above the Brentford (who they like and respect) and Ipswich managers ( who has signed new deal at PR) because he ‘shares our vision for the future’ , something that Potchatino didn’t , apparently.

Got me thinking - what is this vision for the future?
And much much more importantly, what’s our owners vision for the future ?

Because other than sell us and try to keep some interest in the club , there seems to be no vision and plan other than keep all supporters in the dark and try to survive hand to mouth .

Our vision for the future ?

Fkd if I know
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Think Liverpool.....
But without the phlegm and criminal records.
 
As far as Prince Bog Roll is concerned, we've achieved our vision set 10 years ago of Premier League football. Two successful promotions, hey that's us done.

It seems there was no vision for afterwards.
 
SwissBlade said:
The problem comes when the long term manager doesn't get the results or the club don't also share the managers vision and they part company. Then you're back to square one, like we were with Slav, potentially the right man at the wrong time and wrong players.
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Isn't this where the argument for a director of football makes sense. The club has an identity, the club buy players that fit that identity, the club appoint a coach to realise that identity on the pitch, if they can't do it then you change coach, without upsetting the rest of the apple cart? When appointing Slav the club (or more likely Slav but the club permitted him to do it) made the cardinal mistake of trying to change more than one thing at a time. A new manager AND a new footballing philosophy.
 
My vision for United isn’t great, pillars in the way, rake not steep enough and a 6 foot plus kid sat in front of me.
 
St Annington said:
Isn't this where the argument for a director of football makes sense. The club has an identity, the club buy players that fit that identity, the club appoint a coach to realise that identity on the pitch, if they can't do it then you change coach, without upsetting the rest of the apple cart? When appointing Slav the club (or more likely Slav but the club permitted him to do it) made the cardinal mistake of trying to change more than one thing at a time. A new manager AND a new footballing philosophy.
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Yeah it’s a model that seems to work at clubs like Brighton, which is the obvious one.
 

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I have a vision of a future with a new owner whose name begins with the letter S…….
Now I’m getting a word…….
 
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