Villa ghost goal will cost us Europe

[HeySethUTB]

maybe the reason lundstrum won’t sign the contract is that it stipulates his big toe cost us therefore needs to amputated?

That said I still want to see these occluded Images, can’t work out why they would release a statement with no evidence

 

[S64 Blade]

I'm just adopting Crystal Palace as my second club, for the next week and hoping that this conundrum won't be a talking point.

 

[Killamarshblades]

I think people really need to move on from the non given goal at Villa. The ref didnt set his watch up correctly, he apologised at half time to Wilder who reluctantly accepted it, no one is going to publicly come out and say that, but its done and dusted. And there's absolutely no guarantee that with over half the game to play we go on and win the game.

 

[west_yorks_blade]

Not expecting to be given any points for that farce. But I'll 'move on' when the truth comes out.

The ref got a buzz at half time indicating that the GLT had just been switched on and as the previous poster says, apologised to Wilder.
Meanwhile Hawkeye released a statement apologising for an unprecedented occlusion meaning they didn't get any decent photos.

So which is it?

Hawkeye have refused to comment again since and have never published any evidence to back up their claim. Its a disgrace and I expect the facts of the case to come out before I am satisfied. I'm amazed at the apathy towards the cover ups and lies here given what is at stake.

 

[BanderSerge]

The Villa goal could cost us. Playing terrible in that game could cost us. Leaking three goals in fifteen minutes vs Man U could cost us. Dropping points vs. Newcastle at home could cost us. Losing to a poor Southampton at home could cost us. Hendo dropping a bollock vs. Liverpool could cost us. Poor defending at a set piece at Bournemouth could cost us. Not turning up vs. Leicester could cost us.

Every team in the table can cry over the points they've missed out on, for whatever reasons. We'll end up where we deserve to be. If that's not quite European standard yet then take it on the chin.

Your talking subjectively there. What happened at Villa was fact. Therefore I urge the prince to sue their arse off, if we miss out by two points.

 

[BanderSerge]

The referee linesman and var choosing to ignore what they saw with their own eyes is definetly not part of the game
Let me get this straight I don't care about europe or the two points but I don't think they should get away with lying to us
We should embarrass them in a court of law and show their lies for what they are

Those 2 points could be worth an extra £6m though? £6m we could put towards next season’s squad.

 

[XM657]

Tye game finished nil nil so therefore if that goal had been rightly awarded it would have been.one nil

Spot on young man. It was a goal, Fact, the full ninety minuets plus stoppage time played, Fact. All the wet, simpering excuses by so called Blades supporters, make me ashamed of you. If there was any doubt, I would be doubting with you but the truth is there is no doubt. Your like the FA, your finding reasons to back the shameful result of that game. Cheating openly is part of the game now, watched first half of FACSF, manure v cheltski, manure disgusting from the captain down, please don't back these people they are ruining the best game ever to be devised by Homo sapiens.
To conclude referencing Europe, believe United will get one point from the remaining games so the Villa game won't amount to nothing special, it's all about the truth.

 

[Stevo]

I really don't get this argument, if the goal was scored at the same point in the second half, then fair enough, villa were well on top and in the end we nicked a point, yes goals change games but we were so far off the pace that day and imo we still wouldn't have won but maybe scraped a draw even with the ghost goal

 

[BigBed]

No, not being good enough consistently will cost us Europe.

 

[Dublinblade]

Id be more worried about the ghost goal if I were a Watford fan tbh. I do however think we should sue Hawkeye over this though, it may or may not cost us a European place (probably not and we really dont know what the end result would be) but if you assume that it would have allowed us go on and win the game which is a fairly big assumption as we were awful that day it will almost certainly cost us a few million in PL Merit payments.

TBH suing them isnt even about the money its about getting the truth of the situation out in the public domain. This occlusion excuse holds no water with me, unless I see proof. It stinks of lies and a cover up and we should sue to get to the truth of the situation. If the images were released and that was a legit statement fine its bad luck, you take your medicine, but the fact there are 2 different stories out there and no images, na not having it, sue for the truth we cant let them just produce a BS statement and walk away from it unscathed.

 

[ZoneManWilf]

This is one of those ‘I think I’m right and no amount of common sense spoken from others is going to change my mind’ situations isn’t it?!

You mean like every single argument on the internet?

 

[Houston_Blade]

Spot on young man. It was a goal, Fact, the full ninety minuets plus stoppage time played, Fact. All the wet, simpering excuses by so called Blades supporters, make me ashamed of you. If there was any doubt, I would be doubting with you but the truth is there is no doubt. Your like the FA, your finding reasons to back the shameful result of that game. Cheating openly is part of the game now, watched first half of FACSF, manure v cheltski, manure disgusting from the captain down, please don't back these people they are ruining the best game ever to be devised by Homo sapiens.
To conclude referencing Europe, believe United will get one point from the remaining games so the Villa game won't amount to nothing special, it's all about the truth.

So if we'd have scored after 45 mins there's absolutely no chance that Villa would have scored in the 2nd half?

 

[PokerBlade]

Your talking subjectively there. What happened at Villa was fact. Therefore I urge the prince to sue their arse off, if we miss out by two points.

It's all a big game of counter-factuals. People hone in on single events as "that's the one that cost us" but so can every other team. We had bad decisions against us in League One but we were good enough to not have to moan about them at the end of the season. Same for last season in the Championship. Plenty of things went against us but we were good enough in spite of that.

Imagine we're at the start of the season and I said "At some point this season a bad decision will cost us a goal for or against". Who would've disagreed? No one. It's a sad reality of football. I'm not at all happy with how the footballing bodies have dealt with the Villa situation but I'm not surprised and it's not going to be the singular reason if we don't get European football.

 

[Bucksblade]

The sensible thing to do would be to prime the lawyers and give notice to the premier league and bosses
of hawkeye that Sheffield United missing out on European place in history and the income arising will resut in a
a claim for negiligence to the value of the loss.

There is no room for goodwill and not seeking redress. It may take several months through the courts but at least
it will throw up scrutiny on th PL, VAR and unfortunately Hawkeye and may result in a payout equal in value
to a Henderson keeper or striker.

Not to mention one or two places lost in the league and value of the reward for finishing 6th insead of 8th or 9th. That alone
would pay Mr Wilders wages. If this was Man U or Spurs the legal team would be sharpening pencils already.

At worst it may mean the PL try to placate the Blades and pay the difference in league position costs (no publicity of course)

 

[petcharlie]

Not expecting to be given any points for that farce. But I'll 'move on' when the truth comes out.

The ref got a buzz at half time indicating that the GLT had just been switched on and as the previous poster says, apologised to Wilder.
Meanwhile Hawkeye released a statement apologising for an unprecedented occlusion meaning they didn't get any decent photos.

So which is it?

Hawkeye have refused to comment again since and have never published any evidence to back up their claim. Its a disgrace and I expect the facts of the case to come out before I am satisfied. I'm amazed at the apathy towards the cover ups and lies here given what is at stake.

I agree mate, can not understand how one club gets 19 penalties and we who are more often than not an attacking team have only had 1.

 

[BanderSerge]

It's all a big game of counter-factuals. People hone in on single events as "that's the one that cost us" but so can every other team. We had bad decisions against us in League One but we were good enough to not have to moan about them at the end of the season. Same for last season in the Championship. Plenty of things went against us but we were good enough in spite of that.

Imagine we're at the start of the season and I said "At some point this season a bad decision will cost us a goal for or against". Who would've disagreed? No one. It's a sad reality of football. I'm not at all happy with how the footballing bodies have dealt with the Villa situation but I'm not surprised and it's not going to be the singular reason if we don't get European football.

It’s a fact that we scored at Villa. There is no argument. It’s also a fact that if we’re leading at half time, recent history tells us we win? I said it at the time, and I’ll repeat it now. Villa would never have scored against us if they were still playing us now. Davies, who I like, is still too raw. Samatta, they must have signed because he’s got 10m Instagram followers. He’s bobbar. El Ghazi is a big diving tart, and Trezegyet, the same. I’ll go as far as to say, had that goal stood, Villa would have had to expose themselves even more and we’d have comfortably won 2/3-0.

 

[Flumps]

"If, if, if, if" we can easily look back at some decisions that were stupid but we also need to take responsibility for our performances at times, we certainly 'should' have won some matches this season where we just weren't putting in the effort.

As far as I'm concerned, forget it. Accept our final position - which will be an incredible one, and look forward to next season. Not back on what could have been.

 

[PokerBlade]

It’s a fact that we scored at Villa. There is no argument. It’s also a fact that if we’re leading at half time, recent history tells us we win? I said it at the time, and I’ll repeat it now. Villa would never have scored against us if they were still playing us now. Davies, who I like, is still too raw. Samatta, they must have signed because he’s got 10m Instagram followers. He’s bobbar. El Ghazi is a big diving tart, and Trezegyet, the same. I’ll go as far as to say, had that goal stood, Villa would have had to expose themselves even more and we’d have comfortably won 2/3-0.

You were just complaining about subjectivity and now your position is that you're sure that Villa, even with half a game to change their tactics, wouldn't have scored.

 

[AnotherSpur]

I realise you chaps are just venting but I do understand where you are coming from. We had 3 consecutive games where VAR decisions went against us where the powers that be later admitted were all incorrect.

Forgetting our game where we were well beaten anyway, the Man U and Bournemouth decisions cost us 4 points which would have put is level on points with LCFC and 1 point ahead of Man U for the 4th CL place.

Now we are relying on Palace to get a point later or CFC to win the FA Cup or a few other permutations to get Europa.

 

[SelbyBlade]

I think we had the chance at Leicester. The ghost goal won't come into it in the end. It has more chance of damaging Watford than us. Spurs have only got "on the beach" Palace left so we won't over take them and Arsenal are bound to win the FA Cup so 7th won't open up and it will be difficult to overtake Wolves as they have Palace and "Champions League in the bag with a FA Cup final to come" Chelsea. So even if we win our last two we won't get Europe.
Having said all of that I'm over the moon with the phenomenal season we have had. Top half Prem team in the first year with no second half drop off (which is a usual indicator that SSS will occur). We have a great chance of establishing ourselves next season even further with the right management team, the ownership deal, settled players that understand the prem even more than last season and an improving Sander Berge a vastly improved McBurnie an a goal scoring Didzy. Even Nichol would not want to look foolish again and bet against us.

 

[Swannyblade]

I hate all this "we don't deserve anything because we played bad" stuff. We had the same reaction after the Tevez fiasco. This is football, you can play bad and still score goals and win games.
We scored a goal that may or may not have led to a victory/draw that could have supplied us with the necessary points to gain a European spot or higher league position.
What is more important, is that we suspect Hawkeye were lying in the statement they released and that the VAR officials chose to ignore what was a cut and dry objective decision - for this they should be held to account and we owe it to the integrity of the game not to let it pass by unchallenged.

* Just as a side note, for all those saying Villa might have changed tactics and scored an equaliser, who's to say that if the goal had stood and we'd won the game the squad may have gone in to next games full of confidence and improved on the lacklustre performances against Newcastle, Man Utd and Arsenal - we may have accumulated more points and reached an FA Cup semi. That argument can work both ways.

 

[BanderSerge]

You were just complaining about subjectivity and now your position is that you're sure that Villa, even with half a game to change their tactics, wouldn't have scored.

The fact is we scored. Villa didn’t. The game ended 0-0.

 

[PokerBlade]

The fact is we scored. Villa didn’t. The game ended 0-0.

We didn't score then.

If Wolves hadn't had a ridiculous last minute penalty against them then they might well be two points further ahead.

 

[Niceguyeddie]

So if we'd have scored after 45 mins there's absolutely no chance that Villa would have scored in the 2nd half?

According to the history books ,no !

 

[Stevo]

Id be more worried about the ghost goal if I were a Watford fan tbh. I do however think we should sue Hawkeye over this though, it may or may not cost us a European place (probably not and we really dont know what the end result would be) but if you assume that it would have allowed us go on and win the game which is a fairly big assumption as we were awful that day it will almost certainly cost us a few million in PL Merit payments.

TBH suing them isnt even about the money its about getting the truth of the situation out in the public domain. This occlusion excuse holds no water with me, unless I see proof. It stinks of lies and a cover up and we should sue to get to the truth of the situation. If the images were released and that was a legit statement fine its bad luck, you take your medicine, but the fact there are 2 different stories out there and no images, na not having it, sue for the truth we cant let them just produce a BS statement and walk away from it unscathed.

If we sue hawkeye the VAR/hawkeye mafia will be gunning for us next season.

 

[Houston_Blade]

According to the history books ,no !

What history books? The history books didn't have us going in 1 nil at half time so the set of circumstances that would have unfolded if we had been 1 nil up never happened.
I'm all for calling hawkeye and the useless referees and VAR officials out for their mistakes and would love a proper apology, however there is no way of proving that had we gone 1 nil up we'd have won 1 nil. It doesn't matter how many times you type "it was 0-0 at the end of the game so it would have been 1-0" it doesn't make it right.

 

[Dublinblade]

If we sue hawkeye the VAR/hawkeye mafia will be gunning for us next season.

Take your tin hat off mate.

 

[BanderSerge]

We didn't score then.

If Wolves hadn't had a ridiculous last minute penalty against them then they might well be two points further ahead.

Now you’re just being childish, aren’t you?

 

[PokerBlade]

Now you’re just being childish, aren’t you?

Maybe a bit, I think it was a fair response. You objected to what you saw as subjectivity but then made a point that history suggests we would've gone on to win. Which is fine, it's just not objective that we would've won because the whole game could've changed based on Villa then knowing they need to score. When I pointed out that inconsistency you gave me a blunt response about a "fact" which isn't a fact and ignored everything else I said. So childish or not I don't know what response you wanted.

 

[Keen Blade]

CW is not the sort of manager to entertain this rubbish - he knows we have blown our own perfectly good chance of Europe by our own away performances especially at Leicester.