View From Wednesday

[Nicolaus_Copernicus]

We haven't beat them because we aren't that good. That what made their approach so ridiculous.

I don't think they dodged a bullet either. There have only ever been two hammerings either way in the last 70 years. Its an incredibly rare thing to batter your main rival in a Derby.

Wednesday are in poor form like they were at The Lane last year but aren't as bad as they make out. They aren't some rag tag team of nobodies. They have players in Lees, Bannan, Reach and Fletcher who 2 seasons ago were the spine of a team that finished 4th in the league. They were 6th a month ago and everybody on here was saying they were going to be a force this season.

There is no way United should have dominated that game as much as they did. The last time a team played like that against was Bury when they went down to 9 men. Bury were seconds away from a point that night too because that can happen in football. At the end of the season though they were relegated.

You don't think that Wednesday dodged a potential bullet on friday?!? 12 goals shipped in the last 4 games, open revolt among the fans, rumours of all manner of things, near enough in total disarray and they're facing us a BDTBL in a night game, and we've got lofty ambitions of promotion? And they've gone home with their first clean sheet of the season, having not really be subjected to anything like they were fearing. The majority of their fans thought they were being dropped into a tank of sharks, and they've ended up being nibbled by duck for 90 minutes. We've two chances now to put to the sword poor Wednesday sides and we've done the square root of f'ck all. That's the truth, please don't try and sugar coat it by saying things about 'in the last 70 yrs', past performance doesn't influence future results, we should be making our own. If we ever turn up to Hillsborough with an 11 like that and in disarray, they won't check the history books to see whats happened in the last 70 years, they'll put us to the sword.

 

[Houston_Blade]

You don't think that Wednesday dodged a potential bullet on friday?!? 12 goals shipped in the last 4 games, open revolt among the fans, rumours of all manner of things, near enough in total disarray and they're facing us a BDTBL in a night game, and we've got lofty ambitions of promotion? And they've gone home with their first clean sheet of the season, having not really be subjected to anything like they were fearing. The majority of their fans thought they were being dropped into a tank of sharks, and they've ended up being nibbled by duck for 90 minutes. We've two chances now to put to the sword poor Wednesday sides and we've done the square root of f'ck all. That's the truth, please don't try and sugar coat it by saying things about 'in the last 70 yrs', past performance doesn't influence future results, we should be making our own. If we ever turn up to Hillsborough with an 11 like that and in disarray, they won't check the history books to see whats happened in the last 70 years, they'll put us to the sword.

This is my issue, no one will remember the match stats come the end of the season, particularly if they manage to beat us at Castle Greyskull.

Massive opportunity wasted and some of our fans seem to be happy because we dominated possession against them. One thing it shows is that we aren't as good as we think we are. We will end up between 7th and 10th unless something drastic happens in January, I am more than happy to eat my words if we don't.

 

[LenTednTony]

I know what you mean but trying to pass through 8 ultra deep men is nigh on impossible. You have to pass around them and use your wings effectively.

If they had tried to pass through it would, by mathematics and probability, would’ve been cut out and you’d no doubt be moaning about that style too.

It is difficult to pass it through an 8 man defence and the easy option is to go around the side and taking the easy option (because let’s face it that is where the defence want us to go - show them around the sides - don’t let them come through the middle) is one reason why we failed to score. I am not complaining or whining about United as I love em and think they are great but we do need to accept that we need to ‘mix it up’ a little to try and break down such a defensive team. I am offering an opinion - not moaning and whining. Maybe a fans forum for General Chat is the wrong place to voice my opinion? Let me know.

 

[grafikhaus]

Weve completely overtook them in every way now

Saw the Manchester derby yesterday and Man. U. fans know their lot have been surpassed in every way by their nearest rivals. It must hurt like fuck.

Can we have a graph as to how thick this cunt is?

No!

Well done to Wendy for getting their 0-0 draw,and Dawson for being the only player in blue and white to move the ball forward.

He was playing in yellow. The other ten were just yellow.

 

[ekke287]

This is my issue, no one will remember the match stats come the end of the season, particularly if they manage to beat us at Castle Greyskull.

Massive opportunity wasted and some of our fans seem to be happy because we dominated possession against them. One thing it shows is that we aren't as good as we think we are. We will end up between 7th and 10th unless something drastic happens in January, I am more than happy to eat my words if we don't.

I'm not sure I'd say our fans are happy with the result mate. Everyone would've taken a 1-0 victory over a 0-0 draw, but the equation is simple:

We struggle to break teams down + Ultra defensive team = Limited clear cut chances / lack of goals.

I'm happy with the outcome because more than once the above equation has included the "Sucker punch" attribute, meaning 0pts instead of 1.

Imagine if they'd scored in the 90th minute?

We're being unfair in the sense that they did defend well, but ultimately they never looked liked scoring and the world saw that. We looked up for it, retained possession, passed well and tried to create chances. To me the game was another example of the type you have to grind out in this division (Forest / Bristol away, Hull at home for example). Sometimes we get the result we deserve, sometimes we don't.

 

[Houston_Blade]

I'm not sure I'd say our fans are happy with the result mate. Everyone would've taken a 1-0 victory over a 0-0 draw, but the equation is simple:

We struggle to break teams down + Ultra defensive team = Limited clear cut chances / lack of goals.

I'm happy with the outcome because more than once the above equation has included the "Sucker punch" attribute, meaning 0pts instead of 1.

Imagine if they'd scored in the 90th minute?

We're being unfair in the sense that they did defend well, but ultimately they never looked liked scoring and the world saw that. We looked up for it, retained possession, passed well and tried to create chances. To me the game was another example of the type you have to grind out in this division (Forest / Bristol away, Hull at home for example). Sometimes we get the result we deserve, sometimes we don't.

The only way they'd have scored after that chance by Fox is if we'd have got the ball and kicked it into our own net. They were never going to score in the 90th minute, we wouldn't have scored if we were still playing now.

Wilder and some fans are putting a brave face on something that doesn't really deserve one. We should have beaten a poor team and we didn't, made even worse by the fact that they are now using how good we said we are against us.

 

[blade too long]

Blades define themselves by derbies owls define themselves by trophies

WTF

They still sing a out a div 3 win 40 years ago

Trophies is a plural they've won 1 in 82 years
Theyve not a league title for 60 years

Delusion abounds

 

[ekke287]

The only way they'd have scored after that chance by Fox is if we'd have got the ball and kicked it into our own net. They were never going to score in the 90th minute, we wouldn't have scored if we were still playing now.

Wilder and some fans are putting a brave face on something that doesn't really deserve one. We should have beaten a poor team and we didn't, made even worse by the fact that they are now using how good we said we are against us.

To be fair though you could say that about the games I mentioned, we should've won but didn't or dropped points in games like Stoke. We're missing that final bit of quality for games like these.

 

[FlamingLip]

If Wednesday set up like that every week they'll lose a hell of a lot of matches and be in a bit of trouble. They will, however, steal the odd point/win. Which is what they got on Fri. It's perfectly possible to defend your way to a draw, it's just not a great tactic for any team with ambitions loftier than scraping out/keeping above the bottom three.

As the favourite, we can be pissed off at not taking chances - but not how we set up. Conversely to that lot, we continue with our approach and we'll keep winning our fair share. How anyone can predict we're about to drop out the top 6 is beyond me! KTF for a change

 

[Nicolaus_Copernicus]

Weve completely overtook them in every way now

Played in the championship last season
Playing in the championship this season
Playing in the championship next season
Ownership issues that might have a detrimental effect on the future of the club
Won't be signing anybody of any note in the JTW
Will need to drastically overhaul the first team within 2-3 yrs
Mid 20k average attendance
Played in the 3rd tier of english football within the last 5 yrs
Grossly underperformed in the last decade
Choked on their last big occasion at wembley
Can't compete financially with the big boys of the league
Managed to fade away during the last promotion push

Yep, we've certainly blown 'em out of the water, and our paths are certainly diverging at a cracking rate, very much like the current citeh/manure dynamic.

To be brutally honest, other than a better manager (who isn't going to stay forever) and some better cladding on our aged concrete stands, we are basically indistinguishable and like two bald blokes arguing over a comb.

 

[Nicolaus_Copernicus]

This is my issue, no one will remember the match stats come the end of the season, particularly if they manage to beat us at Castle Greyskull.

Massive opportunity wasted and some of our fans seem to be happy because we dominated possession against them. One thing it shows is that we aren't as good as we think we are. We will end up between 7th and 10th unless something drastic happens in January, I am more than happy to eat my words if we don't.

"Switch off your holographic combat game simulation for a moment and terminate the ultra high speed connection to Mars, Tommy, and come here and sit on your granddad's knee, and let me tell you a story about the time the blades got 75% possession in a derby match".

 

[I should coco]

To be brutally honest, other than a better manager (who isn't going to stay forever) and some better cladding on our aged concrete stands, we're like two bald blokes arguing over a comb.

That's not being 'brutally honest' though, it is just a view from someone who got out of the wrong side of bed this morning.

We play significantly better football than them. This is not just my view, but one form many pundits and neutrals. To say anything less simply demeans your argument.

I agree that in terms of 'progress' neither club will be challenging the Manchester hegemony any time soon, but that is not the argument. We have a better manager who plays better football and is moving us forwards. True the ownership dispute will stop any significant progress this season, but after years of lower league stagnation, we are finally moving forward.

They are in a hole. They have an owner who put everything on 32 red and gambled to get into the Premier. They lost and are now hidebound with FFP and a collection of overpaid sick notes who make Dean Hammond look like a bargain signing.

Step back from the edge and don't jump. It really isn't that bad here in the real world.

 

[Nicolaus_Copernicus]

That's not being 'brutally honest' though, it is just a view from someone who got out of the wrong side of bed this morning.

We play significantly better football than them. This is not just my view, but one form many pundits and neutrals. To say anything less simply demeans your argument.

I agree that in terms of 'progress' neither club will be challenging the Manchester hegemony any time soon, but that is not the argument. We have a better manager who plays better football and is moving us forwards. True the ownership dispute will stop any significant progress this season, but after years of lower league stagnation, we are finally moving forward.

They are in a hole. They have an owner who put everything on 32 red and gambled to get into the Premier. They lost and are now hidebound with FFP and a collection of overpaid sick notes who make Dean Hammond look like a bargain signing.

Step back from the edge and don't jump. It really isn't that bad here in the real world.

hurrumph

 

[Roygbiv]

You don't think that Wednesday dodged a potential bullet on friday?!? 12 goals shipped in the last 4 games, open revolt among the fans, rumours of all manner of things, near enough in total disarray and they're facing us a BDTBL in a night game, and we've got lofty ambitions of promotion? And they've gone home with their first clean sheet of the season, having not really be subjected to anything like they were fearing. The majority of their fans thought they were being dropped into a tank of sharks, and they've ended up being nibbled by duck for 90 minutes. We've two chances now to put to the sword poor Wednesday sides and we've done the square root of f'ck all. That's the truth, please don't try and sugar coat it by saying things about 'in the last 70 yrs', past performance doesn't influence future results, we should be making our own. If we ever turn up to Hillsborough with an 11 like that and in disarray, they won't check the history books to see whats happened in the last 70 years, they'll put us to the sword.

It seems you and a few others bought into the nonsense about how bad Wednesday are. Did you expect us to batter Hull when they came to The Lane in a much worse state?

We should have won and it's a poor result but the only people who seem to be genuinely upset with what happened are those that had in their heads it was going to be a whitewash by falling for the "if they don't score 5 they've failed" stuff they were coming out with.

 

[Roygbiv]

This is my issue, no one will remember the match stats come the end of the season, particularly if they manage to beat us at Castle Greyskull.

Massive opportunity wasted and some of our fans seem to be happy because we dominated possession against them. One thing it shows is that we aren't as good as we think we are. We will end up between 7th and 10th unless something drastic happens in January, I am more than happy to eat my words if we don't.

I think most of us know we aren't going to finish in the play offs. I can't help thinking some people have grossly over estimated how good we are and how bad they are.

 

[Nicolaus_Copernicus]

It seems you and a few others bought into the nonsense about how bad Wednesday are. Did you expect us to batter Hull when they came to The Lane in a much worse state?

We should have won and it's a poor result but the only people who seem to be genuinely upset with what happened are those that had in their heads it was going to be a whitewash by falling for the "if they don't score 5 they've failed" stuff they were coming out with.

My expectations were that, in line with the previous 16 times that Wednesday had taken to the field this season, that they would fail to stop the ball from hitting the back of their net.

I’d also hoped that seeing as they’d basically spent the last month being dry bummed by all and sundry, that they’d fail to do it on two or three occasions. Just as they’d failed to do so against the divisional powerhouses of QPR, Birmingham and Norwich. But then again, those three teams and Boro seemed to perversely shy away from the possession based moral victories that we appear to currently favour, for the more leftfield tactic of actual winning a game by scoring more goals than the opposition. Even altering formation & tactics to facilitate it! Sometimes pre-game, sometimes even mid game! Madness!. Boro 56%, QPR 41%, Norwich 61% and Brum 51% possession. 4 games, 4 Wednesday loses, 12 goals conceded.

My expectations in football are that usually the better teams, in following their desire to be both ‘better’ and ‘successfull’ beat the inferior teams and usually find a way of doing so.

 

[Fanny magnet]

Played in the championship last season
Playing in the championship this season
Playing in the championship next season
Ownership issues that might have a detrimental effect on the future of the club
Won't be signing anybody of any note in the JTW
Will need to drastically overhaul the first team within 2-3 yrs
Mid 20k average attendance
Played in the 3rd tier of english football within the last 5 yrs
Grossly underperformed in the last decade
Choked on their last big occasion at wembley
Can't compete financially with the big boys of the league
Managed to fade away during the last promotion push

Yep, we've certainly blown 'em out of the water, and our paths are certainly diverging at a cracking rate, very much like the current citeh/manure dynamic.

To be brutally honest, other than a better manager (who isn't going to stay forever) and some better cladding on our aged concrete stands, we are basically indistinguishable and like two bald blokes arguing over a comb.

Didn't realise you were a pig ,which one are you ?

 

[davidblade]

I’m not happy that we didn’t win, but I’m elated that the deluded pigs are in total disarray.
So on balance I’m feeling smug but not as smug as I should be.

 

[Speedracer]

I have some sympathy with that view NC but one thing not factored into that is the fact that they didn't set up that way in any of their previous games, & if they had tried to win the game would have suffered a defeat similar to the ones they suffered previously. Yes we should have made more of our possession, no doubt about that at all, but they loaded the dice by setting up in their own 'box with no ambition at all other than survival, & by weight of numbers coupled with a few wasted opportunities by us managed to achieve that.
It is not a tactic that will help them avoid relegation should they stick to it, & I very much doubt we will face another team with such a negative mindset for the rest of the season.

 

[Nicolaus_Copernicus]

Didn't realise you were a pig ,which one are you ?

A devilishly handsome one.

 

[Roygbiv]

My expectations were that, in line with the previous 16 times that Wednesday had taken to the field this season, that they would fail to stop the ball from hitting the back of their net.

I’d also hoped that seeing as they’d basically spent the last month being dry bummed by all and sundry, that they’d fail to do it on two or three occasions. Just as they’d failed to do so against the divisional powerhouses of QPR, Birmingham and Norwich. But then again, those three teams and Boro seemed to perversely shy away from the possession based moral victories that we appear to currently favour, for the more leftfield tactic of actual winning a game by scoring more goals than the opposition. Even altering formation & tactics to facilitate it! Sometimes pre-game, sometimes even mid game! Madness!. Boro 56%, QPR 41%, Norwich 61% and Brum 51% possession. 4 games, 4 Wednesday loses, 12 goals conceded.

My expectations in football are that usually the better teams, in following their desire to be both ‘better’ and ‘successfull’ beat the inferior teams and usually find a way of doing so.

We've been there in worse states and they've been here in worse states. What about in the 91/92 season? They were a far better side than we are now and finished as the 3rd best club in England. They probably thought they'd hammer us and we did the double. When Warnock was our manager we got to two semi finals and finished 3rd whilst they were relegated. They beat us. The gap then was bigger than it is now.

I just think anyone thinking it would be a hammering were always going to be disappointed. QPR let 10 goals in 3 days a few months back before keeping a clean sheet the game after. That's how football works, especially in the Championship. I think once they got battered against Norwich it was always going to be tougher than perhaps it should have been because of how defensive they would be. That would have been the same with any team.

I didn't expect them be be THAT defensive though!

 

[SUFC Guy]

A devilishly handsome one.

Tango, is that you?

 

[west_yorks_blade]

I've not taken the piss out of the Pigs I know because it would be like punching a five year old kid and so unfair.

Look I only punch five year olds in the kidneys and even then only if they have a disability. So just lay off me.

 

[Blend-it-like-Harris]

They managed to avoid defeat in a cup tie style performance against a side who probably won't make the play offs.

Wendy fans will love this comment! I can't imagine many (if any) of their fans thinking they wouldn't make the play-offs being in the same position we're in and putting in a performance like that. Just how good do you think other teams in the top 6 are Roy?!?

 

[Roygbiv]

Wendy fans will love this comment! I can't imagine many (if any) of their fans thinking they wouldn't make the play-offs being in the same position we're in and putting in a performance like that. Just how good do you think other teams in the top 6 are Roy?!?

I think there are far bigger and better squads than ours which is why I think we will miss out. We are asking a lot of basically the same 11 players to week in week out to be on top form every week. We don't have a game changer like other sides so have to be at our best every game to get something as Wilder said last week .

I just think it's a huge ask to expect us to be able to keep up our level of performances every game. We don't have the luxery of being able to rest 4 or 5 players as our performance against Birmingham showed.

 

[BushBlade]

Wendy fans will love this comment! I can't imagine many (if any) of their fans thinking they wouldn't make the play-offs being in the same position we're in and putting in a performance like that. Just how good do you think other teams in the top 6 are Roy?!?

It’s not them we have to worry about though, there’s only five of them. It’s the ones outside the top six that could be the problem, like Villa.

 

[Fulwood Blade]

I just think it's a huge ask to expect us to be able to keep up our level of performances every game. We don't have the luxery of being able to rest 4 or 5 players as our performance against Birmingham showed.

All we need to do is score goals in close games. We are at present throwing points away after dominating games (mainly the first half). Sadly against the pigs, the penalty was absolutely crucial. Score that and we were on to 2, 3 or even 4.

We have to find a way of scoring, 1st half when on top - then game management can come into play. I take your point about a game changer and I think we all hoped it would be Woodburn, but we must score goals. Not convinced we actually have to play any better than we are - it's goals in tight/close matches that will make or break us this season.

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