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Thanks Roy. Wasn't as scruffy a win as I thought but it wasn't that pretty either.
Fuck it though,it's another win and another three points so I'm really not complaining.
Excellent choice of tune there as well.
 
Listened to the first half on Radio Sheffield, then had the good fortune to fall asleep. (11pm kick off here).
Interesting to compare the view of Blades and Stoke fans this morning.

It does seem that we are coasting to promotion on the back of several games when we win half a game without getting out of 2nd gear?

Two ways of looking at this.
1. We always give the team stick for not going for the jugular, especially when we use cruise control against weaker teams.
2. The team collective sees a weakened opponent and plays a simple containing game to avoid embarrassing the opposition too much. We are clearly capable of so much more if we develop a ruthless streak.

In truth, enough of our lads turned up to get a result against a piss poor side. I now look forward to games against the top sides, when our players know they all have something to prove. We know they are capable of it, but turning it on v Burnley will only work if we don’t then switch off, and produce another Rotherham performance and result!

The squad will not get away with winning half a match in the EPL next season!
 
Roygbiv said:
It sounds like Stoke have had many games like today where they look in the game without really doing anything. I saw them against Burnley and they looked the better side there and created far more chances but still lost.
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Very much agree. I've looked at their forum on and off for a while.

Some are saying "they won't go down" because they're consistency playing reasonably well (especially away from home) and look too good to go down.
However many are saying that even when they play reasonably well they still struggle to create many chances so something is clearly wrong.

They tend to comment that it's a very worrying sign if you're playing OK but struggling to score goals and end up losing.
 
N20 Blade said:
Stoke fans are a scummy scummy lot. On the train back some were in our reserved seats and it took ten minutes to get them to move. The carriage was full of them shouting obscenities at non Stoke passengers, the worst being directed at women and young men travelling by themselves (homophobic abuse at its most horrible). Several left their seats to get sanctuary and safety elsewhere. Me and the kids kept our heads down but it was getting nasty, and we'd only been on the train 15 minutes. Luckily at chesterfield the BTP got on and sorted it so they penned them in until Derby.

I've been travelling to home games from london since 95 and this is about the worst we've had - thank god it was only 40 minutes. From what a couple of decent Stoke fans said this is typical and it spoils away days for the rest. One man commented he sees more drugs sniffed and swallowed at half time than he used to back in the rave heydays of the 90s.

Look this isn't just stoke, we have a similar problem but not perhaps on this scale. stoke & port vale deserve each other as neighbours.
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agree spent moretimne calling a fan on south stand a paedo and other nonce related chants than backing their own team they soon fucked off when the third went in
 
Sheffsteel said:
Think people need to realise for the 1st 30 minutes we actually played well and were easily the better team.

The game was almost too easy, then when we went 2-0 up, we took our foot off the pedal as Stoke slowly game back into it.

The 2nd half was kind of predictable.
Stoke had nothing to lose, so they had no thoughts but to be positive and attack, which they did.
United were stick in that "land of uncertainty", do we attack or hold on to the 2-1 win?

We're excellent at sitting back defending and that's what we did.
It wasn't pretty but we showed strength and character battling for a win, that's what promotion teams do.
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Exactly how i saw it.
 
Struggling sides, play ok, create chances, miss many of them but have a poor defence, let in sloppy goals and have consistently bad luck, lose confidence after yet another defeat.
The ref always makes bad decisions and the other side don’t deserve to win
What team does that sound like over the years 😂😂
 
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Cheers Panchero!

They had a lucky goal, that we gifted them. We are missing three players that would make us pretty much unstoppable (RND, Ciaran Clarke, Oli McB), if we can get those lads fit, and back, we are going up.
 
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Sheffsteel said:
Very much agree. I've looked at their forum on and off for a while.

Some are saying "they won't go down" because they're consistency playing reasonably well (especially away from home) and look too good to go down.
However many are saying that even when they play reasonably well they still struggle to create many chances so something is clearly wrong.

They tend to comment that it's a very worrying sign if you're playing OK but struggling to score goals and end up losing.
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Very hard to form a view on Stoke based on that game. They went 2-0 down without defending badly. Scored a goal without attacking well. Dominated an entire half but created nothing whilst conceding more. Physically imposing but never threatened from set pieces. Organised but vulnerable.

Something is clearly wrong there because it screams of a squad that needs fresh direction. But O’Neil should be that.
 
Something I always think back to, usually in the form of night terrors, is the Kevin Blackwell days. We'd have these games where we were "on top" and "attacking" and what that meant was pumping high balls into the box creating the illusion of pressure. What was really going on was that a team could sit and defend and we'd never really trouble them. If we got a goal it was going to be luck more than judgement.

We've been on the reverse of that a few times of late. It's not how I want to see us play, but the reality is that Stoke had a lot of the ball but where was their real chance in the game? Maybe that header in the second half could've been better instead of straight at Wes? That's about it though. Their goal was better than it looked imo. Perfect cross that's going in anyway but the keeper can't commit because it's so close to the striker. It's meh from me though. There was nothing about Stoke that made you think they could reliably score goals against us. It was shots from outside the box.

Meanwhile, Berge missed what was arguably the best chance of the game. First goal is well worked from us. Second goal's maybe a bit lucky but is one of our players driving into the box after skipping past their players. Third goal is a well worked close range effort. Good, high percentage, scoring opportunities from a range of positions. We score from solo efforts, team goals, tap ins, set pieces, and we do it reliably.

For any of the poor play in between (from both sides) it was pretty obvious that one of us had goals in us, one didn't. One of us had a very strong defence, one didn't.

We didn't play at all well for large periods yesterday but it still wasn't a fluke. We're just better than they are. Even on a bad day we make several really good chances.
 



PokerBlade said:
Something I always think back to, usually in the form of night terrors, is the Kevin Blackwell days. We'd have these games where we were "on top" and "attacking" and what that meant was pumping high balls into the box creating the illusion of pressure. What was really going on was that a team could sit and defend and we'd never really trouble them. If we got a goal it was going to be luck more than judgement.

We've been on the reverse of that a few times of late. It's not how I want to see us play, but the reality is that Stoke had a lot of the ball but where was their real chance in the game? Maybe that header in the second half could've been better instead of straight at Wes? That's about it though. Their goal was better than it looked imo. Perfect cross that's going in anyway but the keeper can't commit because it's so close to the striker. It's meh from me though. There was nothing about Stoke that made you think they could reliably score goals against us. It was shots from outside the box.

Meanwhile, Berge missed what was arguably the best chance of the game. First goal is well worked from us. Second goal's maybe a bit lucky but is one of our players driving into the box after skipping past their players. Third goal is a well worked close range effort. Good, high percentage, scoring opportunities from a range of positions. We score from solo efforts, team goals, tap ins, set pieces, and we do it reliably.

For any of the poor play in between (from both sides) it was pretty obvious that one of us had goals in us, one didn't. One of us had a very strong defence, one didn't.

We didn't play at all well for large periods yesterday but it still wasn't a fluke. We're just better than they are. Even on a bad day we make several really good chances.
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Don't forget jebbo clean through one on one with keeper dragged back
Could easily have finished 5-1 maybe even more if souttar was rightly sent off
 
Frank the tank said:
Don't forget jebbo clean through one on one with keeper dragged back
Could easily have finished 5-1 maybe even more if souttar was rightly sent off
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Yep. That too. Multiple threats from different areas of the pitch. Yeah, it wasn't a strong cohesive performance for ninety minutes but there was only one winner coming.
 
Frank the tank said:
Don't forget jebbo clean through one on one with keeper dragged back
Could easily have finished 5-1 maybe even more if souttar was rightly sent off
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Still don't know why the ref bottled sending the Stoke player off.

Same sort of thing Egan has been sent off for.
 
Grappler said:
They had a lucky goal, that we gifted them. We are missing three players that would make us pretty much unstoppable (RND, Ciaran Clarke, Oli McB), if we can get those lads fit, and back, we are going up.
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.... and if we don't get them back fit, we are still going up.....
 
Three more points added to the collection, well played Blades.
Started this on Satdi, can't even remember what I were drinking, celebrations Eh!
Thank you Roy.
 
Bladesman said:
Still don't know why the ref bottled sending the Stoke player off.

Same sort of thing Egan has been sent off for.
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Yep. However, it wouldn't have done us any favours as the game was nearly ended and Stoke won't now miss a key defender against any of our rivals.
(Need to check who Stoke are playing next!)
Edit: They play Reading next so scratch that.
 
seems there was trouble near the burger van on john st after game involving stoke fans went there in the 70s nasty bunch they are
 
Bladesman said:
Still don't know why the ref bottled sending the Stoke player off.

Same sort of thing Egan has been sent off for.
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That's the thing about football isn't it? I can see how a ref would interpret the situation to not give a red card, but then we'll be left wondering why other refs interpret it as a clear red card. Feels like watching the table top games in Stranger Things. Refs roll a dice to decide if he gets a red or not.
 
PokerBlade said:
That's the thing about football isn't it? I can see how a ref would interpret the situation to not give a red card, but then we'll be left wondering why other refs interpret it as a clear red card. Feels like watching the table top games in Stranger Things. Refs roll a dice to decide if he gets a red or not.
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JohnDenver said:
Physically imposing but never threatened from set pieces.
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At the very least I expected a dead ball expert and a long thrower to capitalise on Soutters gigantic presence. They should invest in that pair and they will survive. It won't be pretty but they had Pulis for ages, and we had the Hoofy clown for far too long, so let them suck it up.
 



Well over twenty years after he scored that stonker against Leeds, it was nice of Jags to put the ball in the same net for us again…
 
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