VAR killing the game

[Bladesway]

I said if its not out it doesn't get turned over.

Ok, that’s far from clear.

 

[GRUMPY BLADE]

OK. So what you actually disagree with is how the offside rule is written, not how VAR is enforcing it. I'll ask again - we reword offside as you want, next weekend Mousset is put through for a last minute winner, but his whole torso is half an inch in front of van Dijk when the ball is played. That's offside, right? Or does he need to be an inch ahead? Six inches? Half a yard?

What bit of full torso don't you understand?

If the liner flags for a big toe then let it stand but don't overrule it if he doesn't flag, that's bonkers and is killing the game.

 

[jt64]

What bit of full torso don't you understand?

If the liner flags for a big toe then let it stand but don't overrule it if he doesn't flag, that's bonkers and is killing the game.

If you think that, it's fine, I'm undecided on how you should word the offside rule. The point is that this is a complain about VAR thread and your point has nothing to do with VAR - it is just interpreting offside as it is currently defined. You want to call it full torso? Fine. I'll ask again, VAR disallows a Mousset winner next week because he's a full torso plus half an inch ahead of a last defender, rather than a full torso minus half an inch. Is this OK?

 

[GRUMPY BLADE]

If you think that, it's fine, I'm undecided on how you should word the offside rule. The point is that this is a complain about VAR thread and your point has nothing to do with VAR - it is just interpreting offside as it is currently defined. You want to call it full torso? Fine. I'll ask again, VAR disallows a Mousset winner next week because he's a full torso plus half an inch ahead of a last defender, rather than a full torso minus half an inch. Is this OK?

If they get it right then I'd have no problem, is it clear and concise?

I don't think the Tottenham situation was clear and concise.

 

[Selly]

Simple, look at LBW in cricket, if the ball is only half hitting the stump it's still not out, has to be the whole ball.

For offside it should be the whole torso offside to over rule it, not some fuckers big toe.

Not true. If half the ball is hitting the stump then it's Umpires Call, so the on field decision stands.

 

[JohnDenver]

If they get it right then I'd have no problem, is it clear and concise?

I don't think the Tottenham situation was clear and concise.

You’re applying a margin to favour the attacker, which is fine. But there will always be a threshold somewhere, and there will always be calls made that are so tight that no amount of lines on screen or freeze frames will make the decision clear. And it’ll still take a minute or two to come up with the images.

The fundamental problem is the culture of ref blaming. If the job was easy, they would have become better at it after 30 years of TV money, professionalism and training. But it’s fundamentally difficult and error prone.

So there’s a priority call to be made. Is football willing to accept more human error in return for a better spectacle? Or does the money at stake, and the media culture prevail, leaving us with a sterile, deflated sport?

 

[McGrath]

Look at the (lack of) of resolution on this. Who'd've thought it eh? Maybe your God is not as omniscient as you thought.

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It's ludicrous and decisions like that will cause harm in the long wrong. Stuff like that will probably mean strikers hang back a bit off the shoulder for fear of VAR and there will be less goals scored.

In my opinion offside should be clear space between a striker and a defender. Nit picking over a millimetre or two on a blurry snapshot is stupid and not even likely to be accurate !

 

[GRUMPY BLADE]

It's ludicrous and decisions like that will cause harm in the long wrong. Stuff like that will probably mean strikers hang back a bit off the shoulder for fear of VAR and there will be less goals scored.

In my opinion offside should be clear space between a striker and a defender. Nit picking over a millimetre or two on a blurry snapshot is stupid and not even likely to be accurate !

Gi'over talking sense, nobd'y 'ill listen.

 

[Sparky]

Fu*g VAR it ruins the celebrations. Total joy when the ball went in then automatically the defenders hands go up and don’t know why because Pickford misjudged it and their defender put it in. Probably in the hope the VAR ref loves them and as the hands went everyone went silent then the F wait for the dreaded VAR. Then more celebrations. I tell you what VAR needs to F**k off!!!! It’s ruining the passion and the game I bloody hate it.

THIS is my problem. When the first goal went in there was a brief celebration; then when it was clear it was going to VAR it just stopped; then when it was chalked up we celebrated again. Killed the joy. Also the lack of consistency in communication to the crowd about what’s going on with VAR needs sorting. Bournemouth flagged it up every time on the big screen. Us, Chelsea and Everton do’t do that.

 

[sitwell]

Fu*g VAR it ruins the celebrations. Total joy when the ball went in then automatically the defenders hands go up and don’t know why because Pickford misjudged it and their defender put it in. Probably in the hope the VAR ref loves them and as the hands went everyone went silent then the F wait for the dreaded VAR. Then more celebrations. I tell you what VAR needs to F**k off!!!! It’s ruining the passion and the game I bloody hate it.

Totally ruined the enjoyment of our first goal, I really hate it couldn't bring myself to celebrate it I was that mad. The ref couldn't fucking wait to do his silly charade of a television and he knew it was a valid goal, just look at his interchange with joc as he ran past. Why are they experimenting with something at such a high level anyway, surely the could realise its shit by using the carabao Cup or something? Too much at stake and its a proven disaster already, will they have the bollocks to do 99% of fans, players, managers and pundits want and get fucking rid.

 

[TaxiBlade]

Totally ruined the enjoyment of our first goal, I really hate it couldn't bring myself to celebrate it I was that mad. The ref couldn't fucking wait to do his silly charade of a television and he knew it was a valid goal, just look at his interchange with joc as he ran past. Why are they experimenting with something at such a high level anyway, surely the could realise its shit by using the carabao Cup or something? Too much at stake and its a proven disaster already, will they have the bollocks to do 99% of fans, players, managers and pundits want and get fucking rid.

Although not quite the same thing, it's no different listening on the radio. I'd normally be cheering in the taxi. But as it went in, Keith and commentator straight away said, well this'll be checked, and it could go either way, and sounded as despondent as could be - so I was too.

Even watching MOTD which is usually my saturday food beer and tv after work, isn't worth watching. The main game now it seems is the one with the one with most VAR shit decisions. The Spurs one yesterday was a joke. A microsoft paint picture showing a few dots and dashs, when the ball wasn't even on the players foot at the time, and even with 100 watches, and 100 pundits/fans/neutrals can't decide.

The only plus point that I can think of is it might make those fans who throw their beers in the air at the next internationals think twice before wasting their beer and covering everyone in their beer and spit.

 

[Niceguyeddie]

I don't know why they have to keep changing the offside law .when it was clear daylight ( between the defender and attacker ) the advantage was to the attacking team and it was easier for the officials
The law now is stupid and doesn't fit with var as you can't tell when the ball has been played so we are getting these ridiculously marginal decisions

I also think it's typical English arrogance that our refs have decided to use the system to seemingly only overrule marginal offsides and not the major mistakes it was brought in for
They have clearly got together and decided they aren't going to overrule the on pitch officials which basically makes it redundant in all aspects apart from a very expensive and unreliable hawk eye

 

[YES Blade]

It doesn’t matter how much anyone moans, it’s here to stay.

I can’t think of a single sport where video replays/technology has failed, so why would football be the first?

 

[pesch the mini genius]

Sorry if this has been covered but why did our 1st go to VAR anyway !!?
Hmmmmm sheff United have scored let's see if we can chalk this off for a player sneezing incorrectly ?!

Also what is the point of lines man anymore , the Leicester goal that went to VAR is clearly off side and should have been given straight away by the linesman's flag
All this crap just gives refs more limelight so they can do there lovely tv mime and then the whole world is looking at them for what they do after several minutes of VAR arsing about

 

[Sharp as a blade]

So there were two goals that were offside. If you're going to make the argument that either of them should have stood "because it's barely offside and should have been allowed", tell us exactly how far ahead of the last defender an attacker is allowed to be, and what your reaction would be if the attacker is an inch further ahead of that point

I have no problem with VAR itself but the way it's implemented isn't right.

For starters the offsides... And I'll use the spurs disallowed goal against Leicester to explain.

From the image VAR used he's mm offside. Yes offside. However, what no one seems to talk about is the lines that determine the most advanced part of the body (that they can play the ball with e.g. The shoulder) are set by humans and are subject to human error. So it's not clear cut offside or not.

The guys in the VAR shed could decide the spurs players shoulder starts 1mm more to the left and that would then make him onside. They could also pause the image 0.1 seconds earlier or later as to when they determine the ball has been played and that would probably also affect the decision.

In my opinion you have to factor this in and its why I believe such marginal cases like the spurs disallowed goal that the goal should stand.

 

[BladeInIreland]

THIS is my problem. When the first goal went in there was a brief celebration; then when it was clear it was going to VAR it just stopped; then when it was chalked up we celebrated again. Killed the joy. Also the lack of consistency in communication to the crowd about what’s going on with VAR needs sorting. Bournemouth flagged it up every time on the big screen. Us, Chelsea and Everton do’t do that.

This is why I can never get on board with it. I have had chats with people who follow sports with much higher rates of “scoring”. Often they say how can you watch a 1-0 game. I have always pointed out that one will be celebrated more than there 52 or whatever. VAR kills celebrating.

 

[GRUMPY BLADE]

I have no problem with VAR itself but the way it's implemented isn't right.

For starters the offsides... And I'll use the spurs disallowed goal against Leicester to explain.

From the image VAR used he's mm offside. Yes offside. However, what no one seems to talk about is the lines that determine the most advanced part of the body (that they can play the ball with e.g. The shoulder) are set by humans and are subject to human error. So it's not clear cut offside or not.

The guys in the VAR shed could decide the spurs players shoulder starts 1mm more to the left and that would then make him onside. They could also pause the image 0.1 seconds earlier or later as to when they determine the ball has been played and that would probably also affect the decision.

In my opinion you have to factor this in and its why I believe such marginal cases like the spurs disallowed goal that the goal should stand.

Its because its a load of old bollocks is the reason why the goal should stand.

 

[mancunianblade]

Sorry if this has been covered but why did our 1st go to VAR anyway !!?
Hmmmmm sheff United have scored let's see if we can chalk this off for a player sneezing incorrectly ?!

Also what is the point of lines man anymore , the Leicester goal that went to VAR is clearly off side and should have been given straight away by the linesman's flag
All this crap just gives refs more limelight so they can do there lovely tv mime and then the whole world is looking at them for what they do after several minutes of VAR arsing about

Personally I was surprised it wasn't ruled out. from both angles, it seemed to me that Robinson's sole intention was to impede Pickford. not going to complain though

 

[gordoncharles]

Here's a way to improve the effectiveness of VAR.

Scrap the offside rule entirely. And then scrap VAR.

Then, if and when we all don't like there being no offsides, go back to how they used to be decided.

 

[ucandomagic]

Personally I was surprised it wasn't ruled out. from both angles, it seemed to me that Robinson's sole intention was to impede Pickford. not going to complain though

A keeper doesn’t have a divine right to run to the ball unimpeded. If anything Pickford impeded Robinson more than vice versa. However, if Pickford had exaggerated the contact and gone down you can bet that the goal would have been disallowed. Not a single comment questioning the decision in the Everton View From.

 

[Mighty Monty]

VAR definitely isn't working while watching a game in a stadium. The disconnection with the fans feels awful. Bringing in VAR and not changing the old we don't show controversial incidents on the big screen is madness.

Even with the current shoddy implementation of the system showing the fans what was being reviewed would go someway to making it feel better.

Watching games on TV VAR doesn't feel half as bad to me as we're all used to seeing replays instantly and making our decision on if the call was right or wrong with the benefit of slow motion and multiple camera angles.

A simplification or the rules would also make a massive difference. The new handball rules are clumsy and over complicated at best. If it hits a hand accidentally or deliberately and your team gains an advantage it should be a foul if you're an attacker or defender.

Offside by 1mm feels crap too. If ball out of play needs to be the whole ball, couldn't something similar be done for offside. Whole torso or clear day light. This might actually lead to more goals rather than taking them away.

The most infuriating thing is the almost complete refusal to use VAR to actually make its own decision. Why is the assumption the ref, who only sees it in real time once, is right? Surely the VAR ref should have more priority. After all they have the benefits of slow motion and all the extra camera angles. How it is now is completely back to front for me.

 

[alcoblade]

I like VAR, and don’t get the fuss.

Just saying.

 

[blade too long]

Look at the (lack of) of resolution on this. Who'd've thought it eh? Maybe your God is not as omniscient as you thought.

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That to me is level and therefore on side
Be having players having pre match manicures so their finger nails are not offside

 

[PokerBlade]

It doesn’t matter how much anyone moans, it’s here to stay.

I can’t think of a single sport where video replays/technology has failed, so why would football be the first?

Failed in what sense? Because football is the biggest sport in the world by a distance, so it's not like there's other spectator sports as a direct comparison.

 

[diplomat]

Burnley were denied a clear pen yesterday. The ref was in a great position and didn’t give it. The VAR presumably agreed. Everyone else thought it was a pen.

The graphic on the spurs one is about as level as level can be. The line ought to be from the foot in my opinion. A clearer point to make reference to.

 

[SB_90]

I can’t think of a single sport where video replays/technology has failed, so why would football be the first?

is that because in every other sport it was used for reasons it brought in for. & it is communicated well. football isnt majority of reasons VAR has disallowed goals is nothing any fan asked for. aurier decision is absoulte joke when we asked offside it was for 3/5yd howlers & correct officals mistakes not 0.03mm where even a automated system struggles to difference never mind a human.

tennis do not check every point cricket do not check every ball, rugby dont check every try. we gone too drastic with the technology

 

[HillmortonBlade]

It’s not about the Laws of the Game, though officialdom always feel the need to interfere.

It’s about taking a game that was immediate and raw and not always perfect. And turning it into a sanitised tv spectacle.

No one who likes VAR can EVER complain about the influence of Sky and TV money on the game.

 

[gordoncharles]

Here's one from a game I'm watching right now and taking place in Spain.

This incident is to see if a goal should be allowed for offside or not

This is the angle and shot they used to decide it. It took over 3 minutes to make a decision - anyone like to guess if it's goal or no goal?

 

[MobileBlade]

Here's one from a game I'm watching right now and taking place in Spain.

This incident is to see if a goal should be allowed for offside or not

This is the angle and shot they used to decide it. It took over 3 minutes to make a decision - anyone like to guess if it's goal or no goal?
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Behind the ball?

 

[GRUMPY BLADE]

It’s not about the Laws of the Game, though officialdom always feel the need to interfere.

It’s about taking a game that was immediate and raw and not always perfect. And turning it into a sanitised tv spectacle.

No one who likes VAR can EVER complain about the influence of Sky and TV money on the game.

Chelsea player should have been ruled in line not his foot was offside.

More VAR bollocks, bet it's run by remainers it's fuckin crap.