VAR in premiership

[Tony Currie]

Prime example last night of how bad VAR has been implemented in premiership. So far in the Euros VAR and refereeing have been excellent. With less interference by VAR and quick decisions.

But put an English referee and Stuart Atwell in charge then take 6 minutes to reach a decision, which was fairly simple. Then show it as offside rather than interfering with play. Also only seeing 5mins at most added on, at times there seemed to be very little reason for 11mins

 

[Bladesman]

Prime example last night of how bad VAR has been implemented in premiership. So far in the Euros VAR and refereeing have been excellent. With less interference by VAR and quick decisions.

But put an English referee and Stuart Atwell in charge then take 6 minutes to reach a decision, which was fairly simple. Then show it as offside rather than interfering with play. Also only seeing 5mins at most added on, at times there seemed to be very little reason for 11mins

The Euros have perfectly highlighted how incompetent English referees are.

 

[Ndiayewillalwaysloveyou]

You need to forget about the PL fella! VAR isn't our concern next season! Concentrate on the now.

 

[sheff_blade90]

i was messaging my dutch mate last night & i was saying i feel your pain. that was like VAR in England that. another pointless decision, you understand why in England we warm to VAR in summer & then euros end. PGMOL ruin all the good work in 1 match at the start of the season

 

[The Fox]

Think everyone's agreed that VAR use has been an issue. That's the EPL , PGMOL , fans ,pundits and all.
As pointed out it works in other countries which is why they've reviewed it and made changes for next season. I'm not a fan of VAR but it's hopefully developing into something workable and acceptable. It may be much improved by the next time we have to worry about it .

 

[TJ blade]

Wants a ban on English reffs on the pitch & VAR.... might be a good idea to ban the team as well

 

[Rochdaleblade]

Would love to hear Stuart Attwell asked to explain how exactly someone stood 6 feet away can be blocking off the keeper.

 

[LBA_Blade]

Only watched a limited few games of the Euros, to be fair not really an international football fan but saying VAR is implemented well is bonkers, from the Scotland Vs Hungary game tonight how VAR at very least didn’t tell the referee of the incident, they had a clear penalty turned down with the lino bang in line with it too. Too much tech is ruining the game, a conference level match referee would have given that penalty out of gut instinct, technology is taking away that listen to your gut, the tech will pick it up. It’s almost like referees have got autopilot mode on but the authorities haven’t thought about what will happen if autopilot doesn’t work and they have to rely on thinking for themselves and “fly the plane”

 

[originaltrueblade]

I’ve got a good idea ….just completely get rid of VAR….There easy int it

 

[MTBlade]

Id still like to know if the Scottish 'penalty claim' was offside initially, which is why no review took place.
If it was, then the system worked well and quick.
No need to call the game back or stop it if the automated offside shows offside.
Carry on without delay is what we all want.

 

[BladesOnToast]

Only watched a limited few games of the Euros, to be fair not really an international football fan but saying VAR is implemented well is bonkers, from the Scotland Vs Hungary game tonight how VAR at very least didn’t tell the referee of the incident, they had a clear penalty turned down with the lino bang in line with it too. Too much tech is ruining the game, a conference level match referee would have given that penalty out of gut instinct, technology is taking away that listen to your gut, the tech will pick it up. It’s almost like referees have got autopilot mode on but the authorities haven’t thought about what will happen if autopilot doesn’t work and they have to rely on thinking for themselves and “fly the plane”

Regardless of your own opnion on whether the Scotland one was a pen or not, you only need to look at the number of neutrals who don't think it was a pen - I've found people are broadly pretty divided on it.

Pretty much by definition it wasn't a clear and obvious error and the decision then seems correct IMO. It was a very hard call in my opinion, and I think it's understandable that both ref and lino saw it as the Scotland striker basically clattering in to the Hungary defender and it's not clear and obvious to the contrary. (I don't think they did necessarily avoid giving the pen because they thought VAR would clear it up - that works both ways doesn't it?),

 

[LBA_Blade]

Regardless of your own opnion on whether the Scotland one was a pen or not, you only need to look at the number of neutrals who don't think it was a pen - I've found people are broadly pretty divided on it.

Pretty much by definition it wasn't a clear and obvious error and the decision then seems correct IMO. It was a very hard call in my opinion, and I think it's understandable that both ref and lino saw it as the Scotland striker basically clattering in to the Hungary defender and it's not clear and obvious to the contrary. (I don't think they did necessarily avoid giving the pen because they thought VAR would clear it up - that works both ways doesn't it?),

I am neutral in this completely as not even an England fan, I can see how people could view it wasn't a pen as there was the pull on the shirt/hand across the chest by the Scotland player on the Hungarian however the initial contact of either tripping or impedes an opponent with contact as defined under Law 12 was first which was the He iungarian's players knento the calf of the Scotland lad. It was clumsy and I can 1000% guarantee if a referee didn't give that at BDTBL vs the pigs he would get no end of grief and abuse. The clear and obvious error for me was it was a foul (covered twice) under Law 12 that he missed it but agreed was a hard call. It would have been interesting if he had of given it would he have overturned it based on a VAR chat.

 

[Bladesman]

 

[Greasy Chap Butty]

Last night Germany - Denmark, with the 12 year old American var expert woman, explaining football rules, to Ian Wright, Ange and Roy Keane, exemplifies what a complete shit-show VAR is turning football into.

 

[LJBlade]

Last night Germany - Denmark, with the 12 year old American var expert woman, explaining football rules, to Ian Wright, Ange and Roy Keane, exemplifies what a complete shit-show VAR is turning football into.

Didn’t they all agree with her in the end?

The “12 year old” comment is a bit weird as well

 

[Varkanoid]

Yeah Denmark goal offside by a toenail straight up the other end Germany penalty as the ball flicked off a Denmark players fingernail for handball.

Love VAR.

 

[LBA_Blade]

Last night Germany - Denmark, with the 12 year old American var expert woman, explaining football rules, to Ian Wright, Ange and Roy Keane, exemplifies what a complete shit-show VAR is turning football into.

To be fair to the American “VAR expert” it is Christina Unkel who is an experienced American FIFA referee and broadcaster for explaining the Laws of the Game etc working with Fox sports in the past. I personally don’t have a problem with having someone that knows the Laws of the Game inside and out however you wonder why we couldn’t get someone British to do the job, male or female. Throwing it out there this is supposed to be one of the “greenest football tournament” in terms of travel etc however we fly an someone 3,000 miles or so when ITV could have picked a British referee up that hasn’t gone. I know Clattenburg’s Gladiators stint has gone to his head but there are other experienced enough referees out there, that could do just as good a job and even if you want to keep to ITVs bizarre near on exact 50/50 gender balance there are plenty of English Female referees on the FIFA books not currently refereeing.

 

[Bartleby]

Throwing it out there this is supposed to be one of the “greenest football tournament” in terms of travel etc however we fly an someone 3,000 miles or so when ITV could have picked a British referee up that hasn’t gone.

England team flying to most games apparently as well https://www.telegraph.co.uk/travel/...urnament-hotel-germany-worst-hotels-football/

"This goes against UEFA’s sustainability recommendations for teams to drive to all fixtures where possible – indeed UEFA supplied a list of recommended hotels, which England ignored – although this was all advisory, not compulsory."

 

[dsr-burnley]

Yeah Denmark goal offside by a toenail straight up the other end Germany penalty as the ball flicked off a Denmark players fingernail for handball.

Love VAR.

This is what the VAR people particularly love. The offside was marginal (and highly dubious due to limitations on the technology) and pre-VAr would have been deemed irrelevant as the players were clearly level. The handball penalty would never have been given because it was clearly an accident and made no difference.

This is where VAR see their triumph. They can take total irrelevancies and make them into vital incidents that change the game. They can make the game of football less important, and the VAR more important. I would swear that when they get a real biggie like the Coventry disallowed winner in the cup semi-final, they are dancing round the room because they have made a huge decision that changed the game and affected thousands, on a completely made-up problem that never existed.

 

[Isaw Joeshaw]

This is what the VAR people particularly love. The offside was marginal (and highly dubious due to limitations on the technology) and pre-VAr would have been deemed irrelevant as the players were clearly level. The handball penalty would never have been given because it was clearly an accident and made no difference.

This is where VAR see their triumph. They can take total irrelevancies and make them into vital incidents that change the game. They can make the game of football less important, and the VAR more important. I would swear that when they get a real biggie like the Coventry disallowed winner in the cup semi-final, they are dancing round the room because they have made a huge decision that changed the game and affected thousands, on a completely made-up problem that never existed.

Congratulations . This is the best post I have seen on this topic .

Before it’s introduction , those who campaigned for it did so on the basic premise that it would only be used in situations where the technology could prove that it could show that a clear and obvious mistake had been made by the on field officials .

Right from the outset , this fundamental principle has been completely ignored and has led to innumerable situations such as the ones you describe .

The idea that the technology is so perfect that it can detect the exact nanosecond when the ball leaves the passing player’s foot whilst at the same time detecting the precise position of the receiving player’s toe / elbow / shoulder etc. is utterly ludicrous . I read an article some 2 years ago quoting someone involved in this technology saying saying that a variation of at least 18 inches could occur in these situations - rather more than the length of a player’s toe .

Equally , the decision as to whether a ball which brushes a player’s hand without him obviously intentionally trying to gain an advantage should not , and never has in the history of the game , result in a penalty.

The game of cricket has been using technology for a long time before football and has done so in a much more logical, sensible and speedy way . This crucially involves the concept of ‘umpires call’ which recognises the limitations of the technology and eliminates the ridiculous delays often experienced in football matches whilst someone sitting a hundred miles away takes 5 minutes or more to come up with a highly subjective opinion which can have crucial consequences .

 

[Houston_Blade]

This is what the VAR people particularly love. The offside was marginal (and highly dubious due to limitations on the technology) and pre-VAr would have been deemed irrelevant as the players were clearly level. The handball penalty would never have been given because it was clearly an accident and made no difference.

This is where VAR see their triumph. They can take total irrelevancies and make them into vital incidents that change the game. They can make the game of football less important, and the VAR more important. I would swear that when they get a real biggie like the Coventry disallowed winner in the cup semi-final, they are dancing round the room because they have made a huge decision that changed the game and affected thousands, on a completely made-up problem that never existed.

We were discussing today that they need to move to the cricket approach and have an amount of leeway a ‘referees call’ for these kind of decisions.

The whole premise of football is to score goals and VAR seems to want to eradicate this for some twisted 40 year old incels to have fun around a computer screen.

 

[Trigger Blade]

Last night Germany - Denmark, with the 12 year old American var expert woman, explaining football rules, to Ian Wright, Ange and Roy Keane, exemplifies what a complete shit-show VAR is turning football into.

I think Christina Unkel (37) has been impressive in her analysis and as a bonus, her presence has also meant that we don’t have to suffer Mark Clattenberg. Apparently, he was dropped because ITV couldn’t find a studio big enough for him and his ego.

From what I’ve seen, she understands the rules, probably better than studio pundits and explains things in an articulate way. I have no objection to the fact that she’s young, female and foreign.

 

[Greasy Chap Butty]

I think Christina Unkel (37) has been impressive in her analysis and as a bonus, her presence has also meant that we don’t have to suffer Mark Clattenberg. Apparently, he was dropped because ITV couldn’t find a studio big enough for him and his ego.

From what I’ve seen, she understands the rules, probably better than studio pundits and explains things in an articulate way. I have no objection to the fact that she’s young, female and foreign.

I think she personifies the problem. She can explain a rule, to the letter, same as an AI bot could. That isn't the point. When asked about whether it is right, or what the game is about, she just repeats the latest version of the rule.

 

[1889]

The whole handball rule should be changed back to how it always was. It’s either a deliberate act or it’s accidental, but causes the players team to gain an advantage. Simple.

If the referring authorities want to utilise technology, they could start using it to dish out some retrospective red cards for simulation. If they did, there wouldn’t be many teams in the Euros who’d be able to field 11 players by the latter stages of the tournament.

 

[Hanauer]

Never saw Brian Richardson, Eddie Colqhoun, Billy Hodgson writhing in agony after a tap on the ankle, and what would Brian Close make of it.

 

[1889]

Never saw Brian Richardson, Eddie Colqhoun, Billy Hodgson writhing in agony after a tap on the ankle, and what would Brian Close make of it.

I agree, it’s absolutely pathetic, it’s embarrassing but it’s actually killing the game as a spectacle in my opinion.

They have the means to eradicate it from the game almost overnight, but none of the games administrators seem to have the appetite to do so or even recognise it as a problem?

Football today is unrecognisable to the game I grew up watching and it’s dull by comparison. After the 25th sidewards pass, a player dares to move forward, brushes past an opponent who collapses to the floor holding his knee. Free kick, game stopped, trainer on. Restart, 25 sidewards passes……….

I’d be interested to see the stats to show the average number of free kicks awarded in todays game compared to 40 years ago?