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Doesn't mean we need to sell for a price thats not reflective of his value and there are other transfers comparible to this that shows we should have asked for more.

Also if it was around £1.7million then once you minus Ilkestons share its pretty damn cheap.
His value is determined by what clubs are prepared to pay for him. Are you saying we turned down higher offers? No, of course you're not so what were the options?

Sell him now and use the money. - May happen
Sell him now to pay for the money we've spent - may have happened.
Don't sell him now, wait until the last couple of days of the window to hope we might get a couple of hundred grand more but miss out on most of our targets.

Personally, and like everyone else, I'd have preferred the board to front the money and sign the players we need a month ago without selling anyone first, only selling at top prices and any player that doesn't like it trains on their own. But that was never going to happen.
 
No I don't but the fact that quite a few people just love to watch them fail and just ready to get on their cases just doesn't help. I accept everyone has a right to voice there annoyance but there are a large % who just can't wait to slag someone off or start grumbling. The fact is we're a average 3rd tier club. The tactics of the opposition particularly at BDTBL are so obvious these days and work so often. Stick 10 men behind the ball, not concede for the first 15 mins wait for our fans to get on our own players case and then watch us drop back 15 yrds.

The fact that collectively we allow this to happen time and time again should be a slap in the face for us to just relieve the pressure on our own team not make it worst by saying 'oh they don't have the balls to face up to the pressure' at some point the amount of players who 'haven't got the balls' should become apparent that actually some of the issue is with ourselves.
Well said that man hopefully a few of our depressed fans respond to your challenge
 
We did. I'm fairly sure we could get any of our targets if we were prepared to pay over £1m for them but why would our rivals sell us players for the going rate? You'd have to be fucking stupid to do that. It would be like us selling Brayford to Bolton for £350k.
Obviously if we want a player who's decent and under a fairly long contract at their current club they'd only part with him if you offer more than he's worth.
I don't want to sell my car so if I was offered what it was worth, I'd just say no. Offer me double and you can have it.
Can I have your Maserati Quattroporte please? I'll give you £2k
 
I think the club is not going to allow another season of £5M losses and that all the Prince's £20M is just about done. Wilder has alluded to clearing up the mess of previous mistakes ie paying off Hammond and Woolford.

Selling Che early was probably our gamble to create some funds to try and secure bids for decent players. However, we are being quoted £0.75 to £1M for the ones we want which are probably over-inflated.

This transfer window should be different because clubs can't reduce their wage bills by sending surplus players out on loan. The opportunity cost of this is 4 months wages until the January window. I think Championship clubs may well hold on and try to offload in January if they don't get good prices now.

I reckon we won't land any of our preferred targets. We either take unwanted freebees just to boost numbers or wait until January.

I could be proved wrong but I have an uneasy feeling that we won't have a balanced quality squad come 1 September. The chances of us being in touch with the top 6 come January look remote given our disasterous start.

What did Jim Phipps say ? Three Windows to sort out the mess. Who thought he would turn out to be the wise old prophet.
 
I don't understand the question. Who's bothered or not bothered?

People at the club are claiming that FFP is making it difficult for us to compete in the transfer market.

If FFP doesn't apply in L1 then why is the club, or anybody else for that matter, bothered by it??
 
http://www.financialfairplay.co.uk/scmp.php

<< Salary Cost Management Protocol (SCMP) explained

Clubs in the League 1 and League 2 operate within a Spending Constraint framework termed Salary Cost Management Protocol (SMCP). SCMP limits spending on player wages to a percentage of club Turnover. In League 1 clubs can spend a maximum of 60% of their turnover on wages - in League 2, the limit is 55%. There are no restrictions (in themselves) on the amount a club can lose or spend on transfer fees.

Initially introduced into League 2 in 2004/5 for guidance purposes, sanctions for breaching the SCMP thresholds were introduced during the 2011/12 season, with Swindon the first club to be sanctioned under the rules.

The process is interactive with clubs providing the Football League with projections for the spending for the coming season. During the season the clubs provide regular updates on their Turnover and wage bill. Any club that is forecasting a wage spend within 5% of the figure will be scrutinised more closely. Where a club is on course to exceed the limits, the Football League will apply a Transfer Embargo. Crucially, a club doesn't have to overspend to incur the embargo, it only needs to shown to be heading for an overspend. This interactive approach enables clubs to increase their wage bill if their circumstances improve - a successful cup run will generate increased income and the Football League may be able to sanction additional wage spend. Because SCMP doesn't rely on the retrospective scrutiny of club accounts, it is also extremely effective at stopping overspend before the spending actually occurs (something that has been a problem for the Championship's version of FFP).

The Football League's website's explanation of the rules doesn't go into a great deal of detail about how they operate. However they have responded to enquiries and confirmed a number of areas that help us to better understand the rules.

Relegated clubs

The rules apply to all clubs and there is no moratorium for clubs relegated from the Championship. However, Transitional Arrangements are in place whereby clubs are allowed to exclude the wage costs of all players that the club signed pre September of the relegation season, if they were signed on contracts in excess of 3 seasons.

Turnover definition

Under the SCMP rules, the definition of 'Turnover' is particularly important as Turnover is used to determine the maximum wage-spend. Within a traditional accounting perspective, there are usually only three elements of turnover:
  • Match-day Income
  • Commercial Income (such as sponsorship)
  • TV revenue (and any 'merit payments' based on league position)
However the Football League use a is broader definition of Turnover. Crucially, the FL Turnover figure includes donations from the owners to the club and injections of equity. Loans from club owners are understandably not included in the Turnover figure as these would result in growing club debts. up club debts. In League 1 and League 2, a wealthy owner can therefore fund the club spending in a way that is not permitted in other divisions. Manchester City and Leicester for example seem set for punishment for their excessive losses (from UEFA and the Championship respectively) despite the fact that the owners have injected hard cash into the club to finance the spending.>>


In a nutshell, there is nothing in League 1 rules to prevent a pair of wealthy owners injecting extra funds to avoid Financial Fair Play sanctions.
They don't do it because they don't want to do it.

Plus McCabe has talked in the past about the threat of fines or even points deductions for breaking FFP rules.
Again, that isn't true. A "transfer embargo" would be imposed first to try and prevent the overspending before it occurs.
 



People at the club are claiming that FFP is making it difficult for us to compete in the transfer market.

If FFP doesn't apply in L1 then why is the club, or anybody else for that matter, bothered by it??
Look into my eyes, not around the eyes. You are feeling sleepy, remember it's not Kev's fault, we're just unlucky.
 
People at the club are claiming that FFP is making it difficult for us to compete in the transfer market.

If FFP doesn't apply in L1 then why is the club, or anybody else for that matter, bothered by it??
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the fact that quite a few people just love to watch them fail and just ready to get on their cases just doesn't help. I accept everyone has a right to voice there annoyance but there are a large % who just can't wait to slag someone off or start grumbling.

Absolute load of bollocks. I mean I don't know why I continued reading after that first line about "quite a few" people love to watch them fail.
Only pigs and that ilk would love to watch the team fail.
I can't say I know anyone that enjoys United failing at the things they do.......but clearly you know loads.

The fact is we're a average 3rd tier club.

Rephrase that to poor.

actually some of the issue is with ourselves.

Of course it is........we're the ones that threw away a 1-0 lead against Crewe only to be unceremoniously dumped out of the cup, we were the ones that made it a battle against Rochdale from which we managed a draw and let's not forget it is our fault we found ourselves 3-0 down against Southend after just 15 minutes.
It's the fans who don't have a shot on target during matches, it's the fans whose defensive errors are the ones costing us goals from which we struggle to recover from (not least because we're not shooting in target!)
If only we could play behind closed doors we might just be Premiership Champions in a few years time. Yay!

Don't get the whole booing thing in a match and won't defend it but don't come on preaching all "holier than thou" bollocks blaming the fans for the failings in the club from the boardroom down to those on the pitch.

When was the last time (can't think of an instance this year) that the players seemed to play with a bit of passion and heart. Fans see that and they respond.
Fans see shite and the appearance (be it through attitude or lack of ability) of not trying or being good enough and what do you think they should do?

Why didn't you start a few chants and songs off after the third goal went in against us v Southend?

Tell me......it of the three home games so far this season (assuming you actually go) - What positives do you take from them?
 
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It may be a sellers market at present but just wait until the 31st and those clubs who are being bullish at present are still left with 'unwanted stock' on their hands. Prices will tumble. Hold your nerve Chris there are still plenty of Blades supporting you. The law of supply and demand and a time frame it's all down to who blinks the first.
 
Absolute load of bollocks. I mean I don't know why I continued reading after that first line about "quite a few" people love to watch them fail.
Only pigs and that ilk would love to watch the team fail.
I can't say I know anyone that enjoys United failing at the things they do.......but clearly you know loads.




Rephrase that to poor.



Of course it is........we're the ones that threw away a 1-0 lead against Crewe only to be unceremoniously dumped out of the cup, we were the ones that made it a battle against Rochdale from which we managed a draw and let's not forget it is our fault we found ourselves 3-0 down against Southend after just 15 minutes.
It's the fans who don't have a shot on target during matches, it's the fans whose defensive errors are the ones costing us goals from which we struggle to recover from (not least because we're not shooting in target!)
If only we could play behind closed doors we might just be Premiership Champions in a few years time. Yay!

Don't get the whole booing thing in a match and won't defend it but don't come on preaching all "holier than thou" bollocks blaming the fans for the failings in the club from the boardroom down to those on the pitch.

When was the last time (can't think of an instance this year) that the players seemed to play with a bit of passion and heart. Fans see that and they respond.
Fans see shite and the appearance (be it through attitude or lack of ability) of not trying or being good enough and what do you think they should do?

Why didn't you start a few chants and songs off after the third goal went in against us v Southend?

Must be great to have ALL the opinions and none of the answers. Wonder how many teams you've put together from pre-season and got 4 wins and out 4. The point I was making is the like of you just can't wait to say 'oh its so shite and there's not team spirit or fight'. You love it.

I think you just need to take the plank out your own eye (there you go some real 'holier than thou') and recognise everyone has a portion of blame as to why we are where we are. Just saying 'the board' 'MaCabe' 'the team' 'The manager' 'no spirit' is just a broken record. Time for a change and give Wilder and the new players more than 360 mins to prove themselves.
 
Must be great to have ALL the opinions and none of the answers. Wonder how many teams you've put together from pre-season and got 4 wins and out 4. The point I was making is the like of you just can't wait to say 'oh its so shite and there's not team spirit or fight'. You love it.

I think you just need to take the plank out your own eye (there you go some real 'holier than thou') and recognise everyone has a portion of blame as to why we are where we are. Just saying 'the board' 'MaCabe' 'the team' 'The manager' 'no spirit' is just a broken record. Time for a change and give Wilder and the new players more than 360 mins to prove themselves.

Clearly didn't read what I put I see.

And also avoided the question I posed.

And as for some the the absolute shite you've spouted in your reply.....well I don't see the point in even entertaining a further answer. Come back once you can articulate a proper response to what I said.
 
Wilder will get us promoted, but the board have to change! I hear conflicting stories of whether Wilder does or doesn't want Morsy. Call me old fashioned but let the manager pick his own squad.

We desperately need a CB and one with an actual voice. If Billy is playing Billy big balls because of fear of losing his position then you have to question his professionalism, I sincerely hope not as I am a huge fan of his and hope the fairytale promotion comes off for him.

We need an 'ard b#####d in CM too do the dirty work.

UTB and look forward to a somewhat overdue and first league win for Wilder this weekend!
 



Clearly didn't read what I put I see.

And also avoided the question I posed.

And as for some the the absolute shite you've spouted in your reply.....well I don't see the point in even entertaining a further answer. Come back once you can articulate a proper response to what I said.


All entitled to opinions.

Can you however let me know what players need to do to show some heart and passion?

Because if it means running around a lot (Monty style)....flying into tackles....kissing the shirt in front of the fans...and waving your arms around in front of the fans that doesn't win you football matches.

Genuine question as to how the players can prove their heart and passion to you.
 

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