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Look, as long as we have a squad of honest, hard working professionals - does it really matter how good they are?
 



S5Blade said:
Wasnt aimed specifically at you, but at football in general, happens up and down the land. Literally, football fans will never be happy. No matter what. We could piss this league, piss the next, get to 4th in the prem and there would still be a small group of fans moaning about something to do with the club... if not player purchases, price of pints, standard of pies, red stripes not thick enough.
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...half time scores not been shown, size of the big screen, thickness of the chips, colour of fading seats on John Street, state of the pitch, PA sound levels, flares, flags, captain blade's dancing, seats in the dugout, the poles on the Kop, segregation rules.
 
S5Blade said:
Wasnt aimed specifically at you, but at football in general, happens up and down the land. Literally, football fans will never be happy. No matter what. We could piss this league, piss the next, get to 4th in the prem and there would still be a small group of fans moaning about something to do with the club... if not player purchases, price of pints, standard of pies, red stripes not thick enough.
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The club could obviously have avoided the current malaise by not making statements post the Prince like

"We no longer need to sell our stars"
"Game changing investment"
"Think Liverpool"

On the back of

"Europe in 5 years"
"Beattie has flu"
"No more promotion parties we're here to stay" - actually the last one is the only correct stTement Mcabe has made.
 
SwissBlade said:
I guess we'll never learn that the way out of this division isn't through failed 6 figure bids for ageing has-beens .....:(
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£999,999 is a six figure bid. And where is it reported the turned down bids were for ageing has-beens?

I'm not being a blind clapper with that question, and after years of under achieving I get why you would make a statement like this, but the current regime HAS spent money, and NA (who doesn't strike me as a bare faced liar) has said funds are available.

Might be better to wait until we have, or haven't recruited before commenting.
 
LS26BLADE said:
The club could obviously have avoided the current malaise by not making statements post the Prince like

"Game changing investment"
"Think Liverpool"
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We have had game changing investment, we might have been relegated or gone into admin without it.

"Think Liverpool" comment was made in reference to the investment strategy, ie it would be a staged process, not a big hit ie "Dont think Man City". But no one wants to remember the whole statement do they...
 
stringjunior said:
£999,999 is a six figure bid. And where is it reported the turned down bids were for ageing has-beens?

I'm not being a blind clapper with that question, and after years of under achieving I get why you would make a statement like this, but the current regime HAS spent money, and NA (who doesn't strike me as a bare faced liar) has said funds are available.

Might be better to wait until we have, or haven't recruited before commenting.
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I think you missed my point.... I wasn't disputing that we are spending money. My concern is that we STILL think that spending big = great results

We have been the biggest spenders or biggest payers for god knows how many years, yet we're still shit and have a side full of over priced and over paid 35 year old, one legged paceless pigmies with a penchance for finding trouble on a night out in rhyl, dublin, glasgow or Sheffield... or wherever they seem to end up
 
LS26BLADE said:
If we made those sort of bids for players in our league or league below clubs would sell - if we are making those sort of bids for teams players in Prem or Championship it's no wonder they're turned down.

Anyway I thought once a club bid for a player said club couldn't stand in their way?
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We could have bid 100k or 999k... What player in our league or league 2 that would improve our squad could we get for 100K? So we could have been bidding for anyone remotely decent doesnt matter about the league.
 
LS26BLADE said:
If they were transparent we could all use facts rather than heresay when discussing such matters :)
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You sell your car for £10,000.

You want to buy another.

You go to a garage and see a car you like.

Said car is advertised at £7,000 (what you don't know is that the garage would accept £5,000).

Question for you;

Is your opening gambit to tell the salesman you have just sold your old car for £10,000?
 
HeCanDoMagic said:
You sell your car for £10,000.

You want to buy another.

You go to a garage and see a car you like.

Said car is advertised at £7,000 (what you don't know is that the garage would accept £5,000).

Question for you;

Is your opening gambit to tell the salesman you have just sold your old car for £10,000?
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Or to use the SUFC way in that anology they have a car that is worth £7000 and a bloke off the street offers £4000 and we just say yes mate I'll get you the keys :-)
 
S5Blade said:
Why should they tell you? genuine question and one I never understand, people get so pissed off at undisclosed deals, or wanting to know what add ons, sell on clauses etc. What does it matter?
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Because, this:

I support a football team. In that football team are some players who have been good, and some players who haven't been so good. It seems we have a p[olicy to sell the good players to the detriment of our progress up the league, particuularly toward a challenging place in the automatic promotion spots. Based on their appearances last season and the wins they helped to gain for us (like, for example, Murphy at Doncaster) and their absence this season which has been marked, I'd like to know what his exact price way vis-a-vis other players in his talent-bracket and position. I'd also like to know if the board has plans to reinvest the money in playing staff, or if that money is to be swallowed up by another project, the Desso pitch for example. I'd also like to reaffirm that I'd rather United played on a shit pitch and be up where Burton Albion is (just over one tenth of the population of Sheffield and about one fifth of the average gate) than playing on a billiard table and playing like cunts with staff who can't pass, attack, defend and marshal the midfield.

That's why.

pommpey
 
pommpey said:
Because, this:

I support a football team. In that football team are some players who have been good, and some players who haven't been so good. It seems we have a p[olicy to sell the good players to the detriment of our progress up the league, particuularly toward a challenging place in the automatic promotion spots. Based on their appearances last season and the wins they helped to gain for us (like, for example, Murphy at Doncaster) and their absence this season which has been marked, I'd like to know what his exact price way vis-a-vis other players in his talent-bracket and position. I'd also like to know if the board has plans to reinvest the money in playing staff, or if that money is to be swallowed up by another project, the Desso pitch for example. I'd also like to reaffirm that I'd rather United played on a shit pitch and be up where Burton Albion is (just over one tenth of the population of Sheffield and about one fifth of the average gate) than playing on a billiard table and playing like cunts with staff who can't pass, attack, defend and marshal the midfield.

That's why.

pommpey
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You really expect to be told the exact details/figures for transfers?
 



HeCanDoMagic said:
We have had game changing investment, we might have been relegated or gone into admin without it.

"Think Liverpool" comment was made in reference to the investment strategy, ie it would be a staged process, not a big hit ie "Dont think Man City". But no one wants to remember the whole statement do they...
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It was very accurate as Liverpool and their transfer committee squandered a huge amount of money on players that weren't suitable, with a suspect manager who may have been slightly out of his depth and whose record probably didn't warrant his appointment.
They've now got a good manager who hasn't really improved them yet as he's trying to sort out the shit left by the previous regime, doesn't seem to know his best team, struggling to get them playing how he wants to and suffering from having players who are never fit.
 
HeCanDoMagic said:
You sell your car for £10,000.

You want to buy another.

You go to a garage and see a car you like.

Said car is advertised at £7,000 (what you don't know is that the garage would accept £5,000).

Question for you;

Is your opening gambit to tell the salesman you have just sold your old car for £10,000?
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What's the make, year and mileage?
I could be interested.
 
[QUOTE="BushBlade, post: 915817, member: 11808"
They've now got a good manager who hasn't really improved them yet as he's trying to sort out the shit left by the previous regime, doesn't seem to know his best team, struggling to get them playing how he wants to and suffering from having players who are never fit.[/QUOTE]

For Klopp, read Adkins.
 
HeCanDoMagic said:
You sell your car for £10,000.

You want to buy another.

You go to a garage and see a car you like.

Said car is advertised at £7,000 (what you don't know is that the garage would accept £5,000).

Question for you;

Is your opening gambit to tell the salesman you have just sold your old car for £10,000?
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I think you'll find most of us who don't condone "undisclosed" aren't thinking just SUFC but football in general.
The undisclosed fee, agents fee, managers brown paper bag fee, Rosie the dogs cut and a levy for the next payment from the FA to Jack Warner for his mothers eye operation, are all part of the same monetary black hole.

Football NEEDS to be transparent (as, it appears, all other sports do), allowing undisclosed fees is a huge part of it not being. We either accept it, along with Sepp Blatter and his accountants, or we don't. I'm more than happy to say I don't.
 
That sounds promising that we are making bids for players, but I do find transfer windows so pathetic with all the rumours and bullshit that gets spouted. I get sick of the manager being asked in every single press conference about any additions and them having to give the same answer because they simply never give anything away until a deal is arranged. And the impatient fans going mad about not signing anyone, or not being linked with anyone, or being linked (usually from a totally bullshit twitter account) with a player they don't like and then kicking off about it.

It's also promising about having no bids in for Che. I just hope none do arrive as I fully expect that the first 7 figure bid we receive will result in him being sold.
 
pommpey said:
Because, this:

I support a football team. In that football team are some players who have been good, and some players who haven't been so good. It seems we have a p[olicy to sell the good players to the detriment of our progress up the league, particuularly toward a challenging place in the automatic promotion spots. Based on their appearances last season and the wins they helped to gain for us (like, for example, Murphy at Doncaster) and their absence this season which has been marked, I'd like to know what his exact price way vis-a-vis other players in his talent-bracket and position. I'd also like to know if the board has plans to reinvest the money in playing staff, or if that money is to be swallowed up by another project, the Desso pitch for example. I'd also like to reaffirm that I'd rather United played on a shit pitch and be up where Burton Albion is (just over one tenth of the population of Sheffield and about one fifth of the average gate) than playing on a billiard table and playing like cunts with staff who can't pass, attack, defend and marshal the midfield.

That's why.

pommpey
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If you don't mind me saying, i think this is exactly what is wrong and this is exactly what people like Jim Phipps, the prince and McCabe have continued to get wrong since Derek Dooley stepped aside... I remember Warnock was always very good at talking down players. It was always about "players with something to prove". Bassett was all about toerags. The barometer for today is a pricetag.

As a supporter we do not need to know anything about players contracts, we don't need to know that a manager doesn't get along with a player, we don't even need to know any transfer fees paid or received. Its entirely irrelevant to us. If a player is shit, they're shit regardless of all this.

What we need the club to do is set a policy of how we want to play, how we will play good football, gets results but most importantly generate a culture within the club which is sustainable.

So what we really don't need is a statement from the manager talking figures... we need that Radio Sheffield tweet to be along the lines of the types of players, not a value...

A value is no guide, especially in the JTW. Its an inflated price that the selling club can try to extort from a desperate club which failed to recruit in the summer, has had a middle to below par first half season and is in the mood to shop in the sales... except these sales aren't cheaper, they're at a price dictated by a desperate market.

And what does a 6 figure sum get us? In the past it has been mostly miss, Brayford being the real gem, but even he's been injured and now we see fans on forums judging him based on his price tag. Its the way of the world. What we need to hear out of the club and the manager is that we're trying to recruit, young, hungry, pacey, athletic players not 6 figure bids...

When the Prince came along, it was a chance to clear the decks and build a proper club, they've done nothing to dampen the supporter desires for big price tags...God I hate the transfer window. Its contributing so heavily to killing football at our level.
 
judge said:
The squads not good enough to go up
Everyone seems to know this even blade too long who is surely the sites eternal optimist

So until we sign the players to strengthen thr squad sufficiently , people will not be happy because they want us to go up

Not sure why people are arguing its pretty clear
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Thank fuck for this post. Lets see who we bring in because players have gone out easy enough so there is now space and apparently money wasn't the issue, lets just wait and see before we pass judgement. They may have bid six figure sums but that doesn't mean diddly squat in the grand scheme of things, just tell us when you sign the missing links in our team, nothing needs to be said before. It only winds fans up and then people wonder who they've bid for, no need for it.
 
HeCanDoMagic said:
Will have a listen later, I'm obviously busy at work and don't have time right now.

Anyone listened yet?
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It's not really worth transcribing really.
There is a lot of blah about fitness and team spirit.
He feels it has helped consistency and performances. Grit and resilience and things.
He is asked about Freeman and just says that Brayford is the right back. It's implied he will be moved on. Denies Kilmarnock are interested but other clubs are.
It's suggested that Higdon and Kennedy are available for other clubs and also that younger players might just be let go.
He is asked why he hasn't brought anyone in and he says he's had two six-figure sums turned down. Quality players come at a premium and are getting football at other teams.
We've got a big squad so we don't need to do anything for the sake of it because the size of the squad is so large.
He is asked about the importance of keeping his key players and says he wants to. They haven't had any contact about Che Adams.
He seems to think that Swindon will go for broke and play an open game.
 



pommpey said:
Ha. Brayford for how much? We still don't know exactly the amount, do we? The board must be pissing their pants at us.

Whilst we are on the subject, how much did Maguire go for, by the way? How much to city Hull still owe us?

Its the lack of 'proper' transparency (and apologists on here for that) which makes the whole thing smell of brown.

pommpey
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Yea, it was 2 million. Like it or not it's a fact
 
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