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I'm confused. Leicester have said Hammond can go. We want Hammond. How is that clubs not releasing players and anything other than us not wanting to pay very much of his wages?
You may not remember Clough talking about loans last season but he mentioned something I wasn't really aware off.

He said clubs often ask for 75% of wages to be covered for loans. He said if negotiations go well you can sometimes get players for 50% of wages.

There may also be a loan fee and agents wanting a cut as well.

My guess is Leicester are currently looking for between 75% to a 100% of wages and we think it's too much.

Again, it's a pure guess but the closer Hammond gets to being out of contract the more willing Leicester may be to do a deal.

Of course if it goes into the JTW, others may become interested.
 



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Of course if it goes into the JTW, others may become interested.[/QUOTE]

Aye, Burton or Bury might gazump us.
 
You may not remember Clough talking about loans last season but he mentioned something I wasn't really aware off.

He said clubs often ask for 75% of wages to be covered for loans. He said if negotiations go well you can sometimes get players for 50% of wages.

There may also be a loan fee and agents wanting a cut as well.

My guess is Leicester are currently looking for between 75% to a 100% of wages and we think it's too much.

Again, it's a pure guess but the closer Hammond gets to being out of contract the more willing Leicester may be to do a deal.

Of course if it goes into the JTW, others may become interested.

Didn't Cardiff get Bellamy off Man City and paid practically fuck all of his wages?
 
You may not remember Clough talking about loans last season but he mentioned something I wasn't really aware off.

He said clubs often ask for 75% of wages to be covered for loans. He said if negotiations go well you can sometimes get players for 50% of wages.

There may also be a loan fee and agents wanting a cut as well.

My guess is Leicester are currently looking for between 75% to a 100% of wages and we think it's too much.

Again, it's a pure guess but the closer Hammond gets to being out of contract the more willing Leicester may be to do a deal.

Of course if it goes into the JTW, others may become interested.

I would guess we'd get him for 50% (which I'd also guess to be between £5-10k pw) Seems pretty reasonable to me. Murphy must have been on at least £5k if he was prepared to sign a new contract.
 
Blades let's stop beating ourselves up nobody's coming while January when we are in total meltdown
 
I would guess we'd get him for 50% (which I'd also guess to be between £5-10k pw) Seems pretty reasonable to me. Murphy must have been on at least £5k if he was prepared to sign a new contract.
Maybe.

The other thing that was reported was that Leicester wanted to review it in January ie maybe sell him off to the highest bidder.

You can see why Adkins would not be keen on shelling out a big amount without the guarantee of a permanent transfer.
 
Maybe.

The other thing that was reported was that Leicester wanted to review it in January ie maybe sell him off to the highest bidder.

You can see why Adkins would not be keen on shelling out a big amount without the guarantee of a permanent transfer.

We would have only had him on loan until January anyway. I don;t see why he's looking further ahead than that. We've seen with Brayford that a player can control where he goes to a large degree. He'd be more likely to sign if he plays here for a couple of months (and we're doing well obviously)
 
Maybe.

The other thing that was reported was that Leicester wanted to review it in January ie maybe sell him off to the highest bidder.

You can see why Adkins would not be keen on shelling out a big amount without the guarantee of a permanent transfer.

He needs to look at the here and now. Worry about what happens in January then.
 
We would have only had him on loan until January anyway. I don;t see why he's looking further ahead than that. We've seen with Brayford that a player can control where he goes to a large degree. He'd be more likely to sign if he plays here for a couple of months (and we're doing well obviously)
I don't think he sees it that way. He wants a leader, he wants someone he knows well and he wants him for the whole season.

I agree that it's a risky strategy as it looks at the moment.

I think Bray could play there personally but we don't know how his injury will settle once he's back playing. That is also risky.
 
He needs to look at the here and now. Worry about what happens in January then.
I don't disagree if he's got a good Plan B but we could easily fuck that up as well.

Nothing is ever simple at this club.
 
I don't think he sees it that way. He wants a leader, he wants someone he knows well and he wants him for the whole season.

I agree that it's a risky strategy as it looks at the moment.

I think Bray could play there personally but we don't know how his injury will settle once he's back playing. That is also risky.

If so, managers call Nigel have severe attachment issues. It's complete deja vu.

There also seems to be no plan B. We'll chase the same players until we're fucked.

Make an audacious £1million loan plus permanent bid for Morsy. Surprise us Nigel.
 
Can someone tell me what Mal Brannigan actually does at our club?
 
Adkins is going down in my estimations every time he speaks to be honest.

Stop leading the fans on and just tell it straight whether we have fuck all money to spend or not.
 
I have always believed that if you want to go up automatically your squad needs to be ready (or at least very close to it) from the first whistle.

Even if Adkins performs a miracle and signs three quality players to transform us....it will be too late.
 



Can someone tell me what Mal Brannigan actually does at our club?

A piss poor job. We need to get rid and get someone competent in as this is the second season he's been incapable of brokering deals.
 
Interesting one this.....from everything I've read about Hammond and Leicester it seems that the overriding driver is what is in Leicester's best interests. Not what is best for Hammond, but what is best for Leicester.

The puzzling logic that comes out of Bramall Lane - that we had to let our then best player leave the club - is completely at odds with a club like Leicester's approach to player management. I know that some on here find this a tiresome regurgitation of a topic they wish would go away, but you have to ask, why do some clubs manage to follow a set of principles that are self-evidently designed to take care of their best interests, yet we seem only too willing to nod willingly when someone wants to grease our palms, no matter what level of damage it does this club?
 
why do some clubs manage to follow a set of principles that are self-evidently designed to take care of their best interests, yet we seem only too willing to nod willingly when someone wants to grease our palms, no matter what level of damage it does this club?

(Fwiw I think technically I think this is called begging the question.)

I disagree this is the case. Obviously it's been played out elsewhere.
 
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If you think we will get big money for
Adams you're living cloud. Cuckoo
land he,s miles away from. being a saleable assett
Clubs sign some players purely on potential alone. Now, while Adams still has a long way to go he certainly has bundles of potential and some clubs will be willing to take that risk, especially the Premier league clubs where they like to stock pile young up and coming players, so to say he's miles away from being a saleable asset is a tad inaccurate for me.
 
The general consensus seems to be the board are spending about £5m per year of their own money.

What makes you think they are profiting? How are they going about this?

Do you mean the same money they are no doubt charging the club for various things, who is it again the Scarborough group PLC?
 
And I think technically this is called Nelsonian Blindness.

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Jamie. You're not going to Brighton. You wouldn't even like it there. Stay here. Keep us company.
 
Interesting one this.....from everything I've read about Hammond and Leicester it seems that the overriding driver is what is in Leicester's best interests. Not what is best for Hammond, but what is best for Leicester.

The puzzling logic that comes out of Bramall Lane - that we had to let our then best player leave the club - is completely at odds with a club like Leicester's approach to player management. I know that some on here find this a tiresome regurgitation of a topic they wish would go away, but you have to ask, why do some clubs manage to follow a set of principles that are self-evidently designed to take care of their best interests, yet we seem only too willing to nod willingly when someone wants to grease our palms, no matter what level of damage it does this club?

You've hit the nail on the head.

Incidentally both our deadline day targets - Burn & Hammond, both haven't arrived here due to their respective clubs wanting to keep them around in case they require them. Completely different to our situation whereby we have no choice but to let players want to leave. I know it's been done to death previously but it doesn't make things any less frustrating.
 
The loan thing confuses me. Is he really saying he can't loan anyone better than what we have? I'd at least like to see one of two young attacking players (wingers/midfield) brought in to spice it up a bit if experienced pros are proving hard to come by.
 
Interesting one this.....from everything I've read about Hammond and Leicester it seems that the overriding driver is what is in Leicester's best interests. Not what is best for Hammond, but what is best for Leicester.

The puzzling logic that comes out of Bramall Lane - that we had to let our then best player leave the club - is completely at odds with a club like Leicester's approach to player management. I know that some on here find this a tiresome regurgitation of a topic they wish would go away, but you have to ask, why do some clubs manage to follow a set of principles that are self-evidently designed to take care of their best interests, yet we seem only too willing to nod willingly when someone wants to grease our palms, no matter what level of damage it does this club?
Because we want Hammond on the (relative) cheap. If Brighton had offered £200k for Murphy he'd still be at the Lane and if we offered £1m for Hammond and matched his current wages he'd be playing in a Blades kit on Saturday.
And is Hammond banging down the owners' door asking to go or is he shrugging his shoulders and wondering if a Championship club will come in for him?
 
Because we want Hammond on the (relative) cheap. If Brighton had offered £200k for Murphy he'd still be at the Lane and if we offered £1m for Hammond and matched his current wages he'd be playing in a Blades kit on Saturday.
And is Hammond banging down the owners' door asking to go or is he shrugging his shoulders and wondering if a Championship club will come in for him?

I think it's a little more nuanced than you've explained. Yes, if Brighton had offered £200K of course Murphy would still be here, but that rationale applies to most players. The point about matching Hammond's current wages was never going to be a comparable point worth discussing. Leicester's wage structure will have risen with their climb up the league, while ours has remained at the lower end of the scale, and will do so for the immediate future, so being able to compete with Hammond's wage, or even 50% of it was never a realistic question.

As for Hammond knocking on anyone's door, somehow I doubt it as he'll be happy to pick up his current salary from Leicester. What I can state is that Hammond and Murphy are very different discussions upon which it's unwise to compare their circumstance. We chose to let Murphy leave, and all within a matter of weeks of the supporters being told he wasn't going to be sold. So we go from a position of standing firm with regard to retaining our best player to that of doing a u-turn. What is it about "We're not selling Murphy" that's difficult to understand?

My point all along has been what's in the club's best interests. At the beginning of this season Adkins made it clear that our aim has to be promotion this term. He then followed this with the rather obvious comment that a club which intends to seek promotion doesn't sell its best players.....the logic of then selling our best player, given what was said, should be self-evident, especially as Murphy hasn't been replaced or that we haven't strengthened other areas of the team.

Never mind what we received for Murphy, money can't slip on a shirt or tie up the laces on it's boots and help us win games. On the other hand, players are what make the difference, not how much money sits safely in the club's bank account. I'm not the least bit interested in convoluted ideas about unhappy players causing unrest. Ask WBA about their want-away player Berahino. He went public about how 'unhappy' he is about being 'held' to his agreement. Funny that, I doubt he was unhappy when West Brom paid him a princely sum to sign a new contract. This works both ways, and WBA seem to understand what's in their best interests and therefore what may help them retain their Premiership status. These points have been covered before on this forum, so I guess you either accept the 'uncomplicated' line that we've been told by the club, or you can look at other clubs and ask why they decide not to adopt the same approach as United?

I'm normally a poster who chooses to support United, but on this particular point.....let's just say it doesn't stand up to examination.
 



I think it's a little more nuanced than you've explained. Yes, if Brighton had offered £200K of course Murphy would still be here, but that rationale applies to most players. The point about matching Hammond's current wages was never going to be a comparable point worth discussing. Leicester's wage structure will have risen with their climb up the league, while ours has remained at the lower end of the scale, and will do so for the immediate future, so being able to compete with Hammond's wage, or even 50% of it was never a realistic question.

As for Hammond knocking on anyone's door, somehow I doubt it as he'll be happy to pick up his current salary from Leicester. What I can state is that Hammond and Murphy are very different discussions upon which it's unwise to compare their circumstance. We chose to let Murphy leave, and all within a matter of weeks of the supporters being told he wasn't going to be sold. So we go from a position of standing firm with regard to retaining our best player to that of doing a u-turn. What is it about "We're not selling Murphy" that's difficult to understand?

My point all along has been what's in the club's best interests. At the beginning of this season Adkins made it clear that our aim has to be promotion this term. He then followed this with the rather obvious comment that a club which intends to seek promotion doesn't sell its best players.....the logic of then selling our best player, given what was said, should be self-evident, especially as Murphy hasn't been replaced or that we haven't strengthened other areas of the team.

Never mind what we received for Murphy, money can't slip on a shirt or tie up the laces on it's boots and help us win games. On the other hand, players are what make the difference, not how much money sits safely in the club's bank account. I'm not the least bit interested in convoluted ideas about unhappy players causing unrest. Ask WBA about their want-away player Berahino. He went public about how 'unhappy' he is about being 'held' to his agreement. Funny that, I doubt he was unhappy when West Brom paid him a princely sum to sign a new contract. This works both ways, and WBA seem to understand what's in their best interests and therefore what may help them retain their Premiership status. These points have been covered before on this forum, so I guess you either accept the 'uncomplicated' line that we've been told by the club, or you can look at other clubs and ask why they decide not to adopt the same approach as United?

I'm normally a poster who chooses to support United, but on this particular point.....let's just say it doesn't stand up to examination.

I thought it was fairly obvious I'd exaggerated my figures to make my point, which was they are two very different scenarios.

As is Berahino's, already a very rich young man with time on his side. Playing in the PL.

You're comparing apples with oranges.

It's inevitable that while we remain in L1 we will lose our better players. My gripe is that we don't seem to be spending the money. Which is both concerning and disappointing.
 

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