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I think it's a little more nuanced than you've explained. Yes, if Brighton had offered £200K of course Murphy would still be here, but that rationale applies to most players. The point about matching Hammond's current wages was never going to be a comparable point worth discussing. Leicester's wage structure will have risen with their climb up the league, while ours has remained at the lower end of the scale, and will do so for the immediate future, so being able to compete with Hammond's wage, or even 50% of it was never a realistic question.

As for Hammond knocking on anyone's door, somehow I doubt it as he'll be happy to pick up his current salary from Leicester. What I can state is that Hammond and Murphy are very different discussions upon which it's unwise to compare their circumstance. We chose to let Murphy leave, and all within a matter of weeks of the supporters being told he wasn't going to be sold. So we go from a position of standing firm with regard to retaining our best player to that of doing a u-turn. What is it about "We're not selling Murphy" that's difficult to understand?

My point all along has been what's in the club's best interests. At the beginning of this season Adkins made it clear that our aim has to be promotion this term. He then followed this with the rather obvious comment that a club which intends to seek promotion doesn't sell its best players.....the logic of then selling our best player, given what was said, should be self-evident, especially as Murphy hasn't been replaced or that we haven't strengthened other areas of the team.

Never mind what we received for Murphy, money can't slip on a shirt or tie up the laces on it's boots and help us win games. On the other hand, players are what make the difference, not how much money sits safely in the club's bank account. I'm not the least bit interested in convoluted ideas about unhappy players causing unrest. Ask WBA about their want-away player Berahino. He went public about how 'unhappy' he is about being 'held' to his agreement. Funny that, I doubt he was unhappy when West Brom paid him a princely sum to sign a new contract. This works both ways, and WBA seem to understand what's in their best interests and therefore what may help them retain their Premiership status. These points have been covered before on this forum, so I guess you either accept the 'uncomplicated' line that we've been told by the club, or you can look at other clubs and ask why they decide not to adopt the same approach as United?

I'm normally a poster who chooses to support United, but on this particular point.....let's just say it doesn't stand up to examination.

100% agree. Furthermore Murphy always seemed to be relatively mature for a footballer. Had we "made" him stay what would he have done? Probably got his head down and attempted to prove his worth for the rest of the season.

I don't buy the "they wanted to leave so there was nothing we could do" argument. As you say there have been examples at other clubs that prove this is not necessarily the case.
 



I thought it was fairly obvious I'd exaggerated my figures to make my point, which was they are two very different scenarios.

As is Berahino's, already a very rich young man with time on his side. Playing in the PL.

You're comparing apples with oranges.

It's inevitable that while we remain in L1 we will lose our better players. My gripe is that we don't seem to be spending the money. Which is both concerning and disappointing.

Couldn't agree with your last point more BB. It's on a par with 'while Rome burns Nero fiddles', or something to that effect.

As for apples and oranges, the point that resonates through any case where a club has to decide what's in it's best interests is whether there's a serious intent to do as I described. So far, those who have adopted the position that the club had no option other than to sell Murphy have summarily dismissed any other consideration. The fact that we had Murphy signed for a further 2 years, the fact that no one else was lined up to replace Murphy, and what you begin to get is a lame attempt at trying to persuade the supporters that the club really do want promotion this season. How does selling your best players contribute towards an assault on either of the two guaranteed promotion places? As I've written elsewhere, we could have held onto Murphy for another year with a commitment to sell him if we don't secure promotion, that way we give ourselves the best possible chance to achieve that goal while ensuring that we don't completely disregard Murphy's wishes. And during that period, should we fail to secure promotion we would give ourselves a chance to seek a replacement for Murphy, so both parties get what they desire. Should we achieve promotion then Murphy remains, should we fail then we sell a player who's still under contract for another year.

Somehow I don't think the apples and oranges analogy stands up to scrutiny, but, by selling Murphy, what is lacking is a burning desire to do everything possible to make promotion happen.
 
I thought it was fairly obvious I'd exaggerated my figures to make my point, which was they are two very different scenarios.

As is Berahino's, already a very rich young man with time on his side. Playing in the PL.

You're comparing apples with oranges.

It's inevitable that while we remain in L1 we will lose our better players. My gripe is that we don't seem to be spending the money. Which is both concerning and disappointing.

Had we "made" Murphy stay how do you think he would have reacted?
 
Dont begrudge him his move and also admire him for coming along to games since

Would i have him back ? In a heartbeat
A threat from set pieces and a decent defender at this level was never worth the money hull paid for him and he will end up back here at some point
 
Had we "made" Murphy stay how do you think he would have reacted?

Neither you or I can answer that question other than to speculate, but as NE Blade said in his post #91, the case for Murphy working hard is a strong one. Should we remain in this division then his star will have shone just as brightly. I can't think of any benefit Murphy would have gained by acting like a drama queen, can you? But by showing his talents to their fullest Murphy maintains his position as a player that would attract the attention of other clubs.
 
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Jamie. You're not going to Brighton. You wouldn't even like it there. Stay here. Keep us company.
 
Had we "made" Murphy stay how do you think he would have reacted?
Absolutely no idea. Which is why I'm not prepared to dig the club out over this.

I do know he's 26 so his chances of playing at a higher level would have diminished if he'd have stayed with us. I suspect he thought he'd have been playing in the championship two seasons ago and was disappointed to realise that instead of joining a club destined for promotion, as he thought he had, he'd joined us.

I find it hard to imagine he wouldn't be resentful if he was denied his 'big move'.

He may well have 'knuckled down' but I've listened to a lot of ex pros recently on the radio discussing Sterling, Berahinho etc and most are of the opinion there are subtle ways to force a move. The idea that if you don't perform after you've been denied a move other managers will be 'put off' seems to be a bit of a fallacy. They know the score.
 
Murphy has gone and it's been done to death. But it's the lack of forward planning and ambition in the constant selling of our best player that's the serious bit.

Just look at Chesterfield. Finished 6th last season - just 2 points behind the Blades. Did they consolidate? Nah, the sold Eoin Doyle - their best player. Just to recap:

2013–2014 season
Doyle scored 13 goals in all competitions in his first season with the club, in a season that saw the club promoted to League One and reach the Johnstone's Paint Trophy Final.

2014–15 season
Doyle started the season brilliantly scoring seven goals in six games including a hat-trick against Scunthorpe. Three days later Doyle scored another hat-trick this time against Preston.Doyle was named Sky Bet League One Player of the Month for September after seven goals in four games. Doyle continued his form in October scoring three goals in two games against Sheffield United and Bristol City.

So relegation to the Fourth Division this season is a real possibility. When they flog Sam Morsy it's pretty inevitable. Will clubs like Chezzie (and United) never learn?
 
Murphy has gone and it's been done to death. But it's the lack of forward planning and ambition in the constant selling of our best player that's the serious bit.

Just look at Chesterfield. Finished 6th last season - just 2 points behind the Blades. Did they consolidate? Nah, the sold Eoin Doyle - their best player. Just to recap:

2013–2014 season
Doyle scored 13 goals in all competitions in his first season with the club, in a season that saw the club promoted to League One and reach the Johnstone's Paint Trophy Final.

2014–15 season
Doyle started the season brilliantly scoring seven goals in six games including a hat-trick against Scunthorpe. Three days later Doyle scored another hat-trick this time against Preston.Doyle was named Sky Bet League One Player of the Month for September after seven goals in four games. Doyle continued his form in October scoring three goals in two games against Sheffield United and Bristol City.

So relegation to the Fourth Division this season is a real possibility. When they flog Sam Morsy it's pretty inevitable. Will clubs like Chezzie (and United) never learn?
Who do you think was the bigger loss, Doyle or the Manager?
 
One goes with the other - sell your best players and the manager's time is numbered. If you mean Paul Cook, I'd say Doyle was the bigger loss.
I disagree but losing Suarez probably cost Rodgers his job and losing Deane did Bassett no favours so you probably have a point.
 

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