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The “victim” should stop drinking if it leads to making stupid decisions like that.
 



alcoblade said:
I find it equally strange that you don’t think the bloke deserved a slap.
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I’m ok with that. Guy didn’t deserve to be sparked out like. Just a difference of opinion, I wouldn’t say it’s strange.
 
What was he expecting a polite handshake ?he's an idiot putting himself in that position in
First place .
Going off piste hear a bit but anyone
Remember that wolves fan jumping on
Scarboroughs FC shed roof falling through said roof straight onto boro fans late 80s early 90s ?
 
kopstander79 said:
What was he expecting a polite handshake ?he's an idiot putting himself in that position in
First place .
Going off piste hear a bit but anyone
Remember that wolves fan jumping on
Scarboroughs FC shed roof falling through said roof straight onto boro fans late 80s early 90s ?
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I believe Neil Warnock who was managing Scarborough at the time made himself a life long hate figure amongst Wolves fans by saying afterwards...

“we were a bit worried but when we realised it was a Wolves fan and he had landed on his head we knew he couldn’t have done himself much damage”
 
Tyler Durden said:
To be honest. If you're going to mouth off at a bunch of Millwall fans walking past you after they've just been tonked 6-0 you deserve to be bitten on the arse by the simple law of cause and effect.
In the same way that those two gobby Norwich fans at Bramall Lane deserved what they got.

I don't condone violence at football or anywhere else for that matter, but idiocy deserves its just rewards.
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I don't agree with everything you (and a few others) have said. The Spurs fan is clearly an idiot, unbelievably stupid, and probably breaking some law such as breach of the peace. It is difficult to have much sympathy for him. However, I don't see how a physical attack is justified. If someone attacks you violently, you have every right to use force back; but if the 'attack' is merely verbal, then escalating the response to physical violence is wrong both legally and morally in my view - it is childish. If you say that the idiot (and the 2 Norwich idiots) deserved what they got, then you are condoning violence - a physical assault on someone who has not himself used violence.
 
HodgysBrokenThumb said:
I don't agree with everything you (and a few others) have said. The Spurs fan is clearly an idiot, unbelievably stupid, and probably breaking some law such as breach of the peace. It is difficult to have much sympathy for him. However, I don't see how a physical attack is justified. If someone attacks you violently, you have every right to use force back; but if the 'attack' is merely verbal, then escalating the response to physical violence is wrong both legally and morally in my view - it is childish. If you say that the idiot (and the 2 Norwich idiots) deserved what they got, then you are condoning violence - a physical assault on someone who has not himself used violence.
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It doesn't matter what is morally justifiable, only what the likely outcome will be.

Some people respond to provocation by punching you in the face, doesn't matter if it's right or not, it's the way of the world.

You can negate that risk by having some personal responsibility and not running your mouth off at people who are likely to do just that.
And if stupid decisions lead to painful consequences then the stupid person may gain some wisdom as to their future conduct. Which is ultimately a good thing.
 



HodgysBrokenThumb said:
I don't agree with everything you (and a few others) have said. The Spurs fan is clearly an idiot, unbelievably stupid, and probably breaking some law such as breach of the peace. It is difficult to have much sympathy for him. However, I don't see how a physical attack is justified. If someone attacks you violently, you have every right to use force back; but if the 'attack' is merely verbal, then escalating the response to physical violence is wrong both legally and morally in my view - it is childish. If you say that the idiot (and the 2 Norwich idiots) deserved what they got, then you are condoning violence - a physical assault on someone who has not himself used violence.
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Pretty much this.

The only time you're ever justified in using physical force is when there's an immediate physical threat to you or another. And when you hit someone like that you have no idea how much damage you're going to do when they fall down against the concrete.

The Spurs fans are obnoxious morons. The Millwall fan should be locked up.
 
Tyler Durden said:
It doesn't matter what is morally justifiable, only what the likely outcome will be.

Some people respond to provocation by punching you in the face, doesn't matter if it's right or not, it's the way of the world.

You can negate that risk by having some personal responsibility and not running your mouth off at people who are likely to do just that.
And if stupid decisions lead to painful consequences then the stupid person may gain some wisdom as to their future conduct. Which is ultimately a good thing.
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Morally justifiable doesn't matter if you were asking me to predict what would happen in some scenario. It absolutely matters when I'm judging actions after the fact.
 
PokerBlade said:
Morally justifiable doesn't matter if you were asking me to predict what would happen in some scenario. It absolutely matters when I'm judging actions after the fact.
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Not really.

I've never been punched in the face by rival fans because I've never gobbed off at any.

If I had then it would be entirely my fault for failing to understand human nature.
 
Tyler Durden said:
Not really.

I've never been punched in the face by rival fans because I've never gobbed off at any.

If I had then it would be entirely my fault for failing to understand human nature.
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Human nature is a vacuous term. Any action a human makes can be considered to be part of their "nature", and therefore it doesn't really matter what anyone does or to whom they do it, all you can do is shrug.
 
PokerBlade said:
Human nature is a vacuous term. Any action a human makes can be considered to be part of their "nature", and therefore it doesn't really matter what anyone does or to whom they do it, all you can do is shrug.
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But some actions are more common among humans in specific situations. Such as the one above.
Whether you define that as 'human nature' or not is ultimately unimportant. Knowing the likely outcomes of your behaviour is however.
 
Tyler Durden said:
Not really.

I've never been punched in the face by rival fans because I've never gobbed off at any.

If I had then it would be entirely my fault for failing to understand human nature.
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The fault would also be theirs, if they haven't reached a sufficient state of maturity to not feel the need to hit someone for something they said. And in my view, the Spurs fan may well have concluded that next time he will have his 'heavy' mates with him, and get his retaliation in first. All of which encourages fans of other clubs to have a go first.
 
dublin 10 blade said:
Our fans after bouncing day , where criticised when some pigs drove up London road giving it the big un
Shock horror , one got out and got slapped ,
Your going to act like a cunt , expect to get fucked
I'd have been surprised if nobody hadn't slapped him .
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All of that is true. Doesn't make it right, though.
 
Jees, there's some precious snowflakes here tonight offering some sanctimonious bollocks.

Newton's Third Law could be adapted to that clip.

Now I'm off to buy some flares for next Friday's game and practice my kidney punching...
 
HodgysBrokenThumb said:
The fault would also be theirs, if they haven't reached a sufficient state of maturity to not feel the need to hit someone for something they said. And in my view, the Spurs fan may well have concluded that next time he will have his 'heavy' mates with him, and get his retaliation in first. All of which encourages fans of other clubs to have a go first.
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The entire situation however, would be entirely of my own making, regardless of whether or not the reaction is appropriate.

Again, it's not about how people should react, it's how they most likely will in certain scenarios that is the key point. By following this simple unwritten rule, your chances of not being punched in the face are greatly improved.
 
Tyler Durden said:
The entire situation however, would be entirely of my own making, regardless of whether or not the reaction is appropriate.

Again, it's not about how people should react, it's how they most likely will in certain scenarios that is the key point. By following this simple unwritten rule, your chances of not being punched in the face are greatly improved.
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I'm not entirely against you, but here's where you lose me; it's not entirely of their own making. It's in no small part the making of the guy that threw the punch.

But I feel like we're talking at crossed purposes here, because I'm not that interested in whether it's good for your self-preservation to sing "hate Millwall" in front of Millwall fans. It's obviously not. I'm talking about a moral judgement of the actions. And then it's expressly about how people should act.
 



Tyler Durden said:
The entire situation however, would be entirely of my own making, regardless of whether or not the reaction is appropriate.

Again, it's not about how people should react, it's how they most likely will in certain scenarios that is the key point. By following this simple unwritten rule, your chances of not being punched in the face are greatly improved.
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Agree fully with the second paragraph. On your first point, I think the reaction is also the responsibility of the person who chooses violence as the response to things they don't like. I think we are largely in agreement, except on the one detail.
Enjoy the trip to Millwall (that is not sarcasm - my son is going as well.) UTB
 
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