Transfer Policy

[robbiez666]

Wigan have signed the following in January so far:

Yanic Wilschut
Reece Wabara
Dan Lavercombe
Danny Whitehead
Sam Morsy
Ryan Colclough

All under 25, all on their way up. All coming from smaller clubs or younger players who had been on loan

So far, Adkins has signed:

Sammon
Edgar
Sharp
Woolford
Hammond

None of these strike me as building for the future. Clough's policy was fairly similar.

There's been much talk of rebuilding over the last few years but we've done almost no rebuilding whatsoever. We should be looking to sign the kind of players Wigan have. Not going for players who are failing at a higher level.

I'm confused at what the club has been trying to do. The only explanation I can think of is that we're looking to do a cheap patch job instead of building a squad who can take us forward over the next few years.

 

[Harry's Game]

Think back to what Phipps said on day one of their tenure "we are here to make money"

They came in thinking ( or where told by McCabe) that they would only need a small outlay of funds to take us to the Premier League where they could then rake in the television richers or sell us on to new owners at a whacking great profit on their outlay.

They are now discovering its not going to be that easy and have not got a clue what to do with us.

At the moment I suspect they will be serously considering cutting their losses and walking away.

 

[Rodley]

Wigan have signed the following in January so far:

Yanic Wilschut
Reece Wabara
Dan Lavercombe
Danny Whitehead
Sam Morsy
Ryan Colclough

All under 25, all on their way up. All coming from smaller clubs or younger players who had been on loan

So far, Adkins has signed:

Sammon
Edgar
Sharp
Woolford
Hammond

None of these strike me as building for the future. Clough's policy was fairly similar.

There's been much talk of rebuilding over the last few years but we've done almost no rebuilding whatsoever. We should be looking to sign the kind of players Wigan have. Not going for players who are failing at a higher level.

I'm confused at what the club has been trying to do. The only explanation I can think of is that we're looking to do a cheap patch job instead of building a squad who can take us forward over the next few years.

Signing 5 players from the league above is a cheap patch job?

 

[ziggy4001]

Problem is, we don't have a transfer policy. There is no joined up thinking from Adkins upto the board room. Doesn't help having two co-owners who are never around. We need one person with the money making the decisions.

 

[YES Blade]

Think back to what Phipps said on day one of their tenure "we are here to make money"

They came in thinking ( or where told by McCabe) that they would only need a small outlay of funds to take us to the Premier League where they could then rake in the television richers or sell us on to new owners at a whacking great profit on their outlay.

They are now discovering its not going to be that easy and have not got a clue what to do with us.

At the moment I suspect they will be serously considering cutting their losses and walking away.

Anyone who buys a football club to make money clearly doesn't know very much about football!

 

[Jonboy60]

Anyone who buys a football club to make money clearly doesn't know very much about football!

I give you, sufc.

 

[PeteBlade]

I'm shocked you think we have a transfer policy.

 

[Cyprus Blade]

interesting piece by Shield in the Stir - one of his better ones but still by Shield - nuff said

http://www.thestar.co.uk/sport/foot...ed-column-a-revealing-seaside-story-1-7702111

 

[Sheff de party]

Wigan have signed the following in January so far:

Yanic Wilschut
Reece Wabara
Dan Lavercombe
Danny Whitehead
Sam Morsy
Ryan Colclough

All under 25, all on their way up. All coming from smaller clubs or younger players who had been on loan

So far, Adkins has signed:

Sammon
Edgar
Sharp
Woolford
Hammond

None of these strike me as building for the future. Clough's policy was fairly similar.

There's been much talk of rebuilding over the last few years but we've done almost no rebuilding whatsoever. We should be looking to sign the kind of players Wigan have. Not going for players who are failing at a higher level.

I'm confused at what the club has been trying to do. The only explanation I can think of is that we're looking to do a cheap patch job instead of building a squad who can take us forward over the next few years.

Given we already have Long, Adams, Reed, Diego and Calvert-Lewin, you could argue we have enough youngsters to bring through.

I can see why he's gone with elder statesmen to provide that extra element of skill AND experience. it just hasn't worked very well.

 

[Patrick Suffaux]

Think back to what Phipps said on day one of their tenure "we are here to make money"

They came in thinking ( or where told by McCabe) that they would only need a small outlay of funds to take us to the Premier League where they could then rake in the television richers or sell us on to new owners at a whacking great profit on their outlay.

They are now discovering its not going to be that easy and have not got a clue what to do with us.

At the moment I suspect they will be serously considering cutting their losses and walking away.

This is exactly what I have believed for some time. To be perfectly honest I don't see us moving forward until the current owners sell the club to someone with a serious intention to invest significant funds into the playing staff.

I'm sure the current owners would argue that they have but "significant" in their opinion may not equal significant in the current football climate. The only way we're going up under the current regime is if we get a huge run of luck and that's not a scenario I associate with our football club.

 

[Jim Chimmerney]

This is exactly what I have believed for some time. To be perfectly honest I don't see us moving forward until the current owners sell the club to someone with a serious intention to invest significant funds into the playing staff.

I'm sure the current owners would argue that they have but "significant" in their opinion may not equal significant in the current football climate. The only way we're going up under the current regime is if we get a huge run of luck and that's not a scenario I associate with our football club.

They will argue they have, because, they have. Unfortunately, we have invested in the wrong players, or at least too many that haven't worked out for various reasons. This is the problem NA is facing, the massive expectations for this season against the bigger picture which we all know needs to happen.

 

[Patrick Suffaux]

They will argue they have, because, they have. Unfortunately, we have invested in the wrong players, or at least too many that haven't worked out for various reasons. This is the problem NA is facing, the massive expectations for this season against the bigger picture which we all know needs to happen.

They have made a lot of money on player sales as well Jim. Most of what they've spent is just reinvested income from departing talent. Hence I would strongly disagree with that claim.

 

[Smirth]

Our last two managers have chose to sign trusted lieutenants of theirs and older players because they know that if they fail to win promotion they are unlikely to still be in a job. Adkins has been worse for it than Clough, Clough at least brought in McNulty, Scougall, Adams, Wallace(s) & Basham. All of the right age to develop and grow with the team, but both have tended to revert back to trusted older heads as they see them as a safe bet compared to the inexperienced, youthful players who they probably see as more of a risk.

It's incredibly short sighted IMO, and what concerns me most is that Adkins seems worse for it than Clough was.

 

[Jim Chimmerney]

They have made a lot of money on player sales as well Jim. Most of what they've spent is just reinvested income from departing talent. Hence I would strongly disagree with that claim.

Money which wouldn't have been re-invested with previous regimes. Then there's Clough's compo, the new pitch........and that's just in the last 6 months.

 

[Treeton Blade]

Lee Turnbull pictured at the latest scouting meeting

 

[grafikhaus]

Anyone who buys a football club to make money clearly doesn't know very much about football!

Yes, that's what they'd have you believe. But there's never a shortage of people willing to take over a club - especially from the near/Far East. Could it be the large, ludicrously loyal customer base, the 'undisclosed' transfer fees (try that one on your next tax return), or the endless possibilities for money-laundering? (e.g. where the published crowd bears no resemblance to those who are actually inside the stadium).

 

[Pompey_Blade]

Do you think the short sightedness is to do with the pressure of being manager of Sheffield United in league one. When you know if you dont get promoted your sacked. If we want to build we need to give managers chance to build

 

[Roygbiv]

For all the talk of "learning from their mistakes" it still seems the idea of buying older players on their way down the leagues on presumably decent wages is seen as the way forward

By the way, what was all the "stay in touch till January" talk from Adkins all about? What was he expecting to happen? Has he been let down ?

 

[davidpinder]

Reading that Wigan have signed 2 excellent players showing clear intent to want to get out of this league shows what a fucking disgrace this club actually is. That is all.

 

[BushBlade]

Money which wouldn't have been re-invested with previous regimes. Then there's Clough's compo, the new pitch........and that's just in the last 6 months.

I don't think there's ever been a time when transfer fees weren't put towards the running costs of the club, under the McCabe regime. I don't see a huge difference other than a cash investment which we've blown trying to shortcut the rebuilding process by signing experienced players on frees and low transfer fees but paying them massive wages.
Just like we did with the parachute payments, the kyles money and the West Ham compo.

 

[Jim Chimmerney]

I don't think there's ever been a time when transfer fees weren't put towards the running costs of the club, under the McCabe regime. I don't see a huge difference other than a cash investment which we've blown trying to shortcut the rebuilding process by signing experienced players on frees and low transfer fees but paying them massive wages.
Just like we did with the parachute payments, the kyles money and the West Ham compo.

So the fact we've spent unwisely means we can disregard the fact it's actually happened ?

 

[BushBlade]

So the fact we've spent unwisely means we can disregard the fact it's actually happened ?

We can now because it's in the past. The only thing we can take from it is to try not to make the same mistakes again, next time we have cash to spend.

But my point is that you implied that prior to the Prince's involvement we didn't invest proceeds from sales back into the club. We did, and more beside.

 

[Jim Chimmerney]

Reading that Wigan have signed 2 excellent players showing clear intent to want to get out of this league shows what a fucking disgrace this club actually is. That is all.

Proves it 100% dp, in the same way Newcastle are the most ambitious club in the Prem because they've spent £25M on 2 players this week.

 

[derryblade]

When we failed to get promoted under DW, Winter came in and we had a cull of players and administration staff to align the club being in the 3rd tier, When Weir was appointed he began this scatter gun approach signings and the second season of NC he kicked it on even further. The club don't appear to have a long term plan on how to produce a team that can move forward. As every new manager enters the door the previous plan is flushed down the pan and we start again. Swansea had a plan and appointed managers that would move that format on without radical changes. Basically we don't have a plan it's just a hope.

 

[bladesmanluke]

We're not trying to do it on the cheap we're just stupid

 

[HeCanDoMagic]

When we failed to get promoted under DW, Winter came in and we had a cull of players and administration staff to align the club being in the 3rd tier, When Weir was appointed he began this scatter gun approach signings and the second season of NC he kicked it on even further. The club don't appear to have a long term plan on how to produce a team that can move forward. As every new manager enters the door the previous plan is flushed down the pan and we start again. Swansea had a plan and appointed managers that would move that format on without radical changes. Basically we don't have a plan it's just a hope.

I agree with all that.

But we cant do much about the past other than correct its mistakes now, which for me is 'Phase 1' - get the squad size down. 'Phase 2' is then allowing NA to build his team.

Vital we give him time to do so.

 

[metalblade]

I thought about a long post but realised I can't be arsed anymore with anything to do with this joke of a club, I think the thing that has done it for me is the extension of Hammonds loan, no doubt we will give him a 3yr deal in the summer it's the Blades way.

 

[Barney]

I'm surprised so many are so outraged with the fact we haven't signed anyone.

I wouldn't have signed anyone either with the amount of players we've had in our squad since the start of January.

The summer transfer market was the opportunity to get the business right. And we couldn't afford to get it wrong with the considerable squad we had then because it creates the situation we've seen over the course of January whereby the squad is pretty much at bursting point and we're unable to get any incomings in until some of the outgoings have been completed. There's no excuse now though not to match the outgoings we've managed to get done with some incomings.

Morale of the story: Get the business right in the summer and it prevents the situation we've been in having to ship some out before we sign anyone. It's important, even more so when you've got little margin for error with the size of the squad (created by Clough).

 

[derryblade]

I agree with all that.

But we cant do much about the past other than correct its mistakes now, which for me is 'Phase 1' - get the squad size down. 'Phase 2' is then allowing NA to build his team.

Vital we give him time to do so.

But we cant do much about the past other than correct its mistakes now

That's why I mentioned J Winter, he was brought in to rectify the mistakes of handing out stupid contracts which he did, we lost some good players but he did it. Three years down the line and KM is again talking about players on wages not in alignment with a 3rd tier club. True we can't do anything about the past, but these guys in charge of our football club continue to make the same mistakes, time and again. As for NA building a team, I think the juries still out on that one, based on most of his signings so far.

 

[HeCanDoMagic]

I thought about a long post but realised I can't be arsed anymore with anything to do with this joke of a club,

Yet took the time to log on to chat forum and write your thoughts about them...

Go on, admit it, you still love them dont you?!