Transfer Funds

[Grecian2000]

Didn't we have one last May ? Bearing in mind the result you may get your wish.

A Cup Final?

No, we got to play in the Mediocrity Bowl again.

A Cup Final is a showpiece event where you pick up a trophy and are remembered for all time. A play-off "final" simply means you weren't good enough to go up as one of the two best teams and so took part in the wankers event instead.

 

[lenners]

A Cup Final?

No, we got to play in the Mediocrity Bowl again.

A Cup Final is a showpiece event where you pick up a trophy and are remembered for all time. A play-off "final" simply means you weren't good enough to go up as one of the two best teams and so took part in the wankers event instead.

I think it's fair to say that play-off finals have lost a bit of their allure for Blades fans.
Not that we'll have to worry about one this year.

 

[Darren]

I'm not sure it's calculated like that. I think you might just be entitled to 40% of gate receipts full stop.

Yes, but it must be net gate receipts surely - after all policing costs and other expenses have been deducted.

Net gate receipts in this instance may well have been a negative figure!

 

[lenners]

Yes, but it must be net gate receipts surely - after all policing costs and other expenses have been deducted.

Net gate receipts in this instance may well have been a negative figure!

I think that's the point and that's why it is 40% full stop - otherwise you'd have arguments over what was net receipts and what wasn't.

 

[Darren]

I think that's the point and that's why it is 40% full stop - otherwise you'd have arguments over what was net receipts and what wasn't.

Not sure.

Lets say QPR took £60,000 on the gate last night. Do they really have to pay United 40% of that figure (£24,000) and the FA £12,000 (they get the other 20% as I recall) before they start deducting expenses? I can't think that can be right, otherwise no-one would want to be drawn at home!

I suspect there is a list of set expenses which are to be deducted (almost certainly including policing costs) before the pot is divvied up.

 

[lenners]

Not sure.

Lets say QPR took £60,000 on the gate last night. Do they really have to pay United 40% of that figure (£24,000) and the FA £12,000 (they get the other 20% as I recall) before they start deducting expenses? I can't think that can be right, otherwise no-one would want to be drawn at home!

I suspect there is a list of set expenses which are to be deducted (almost certainly including policing costs) before the pot is divvied up.

You might be right but the flipside would be that United get nothing for the match which would also seem a bit odd.
Good job we've bagged the humongous prize money.

 

[Highbury_Blade]

It's all here in section 22

http://www.thefa.com/~/media/776FDC2C663A48568FC3688FA667463A.ashx/01 FAC rules 2009-2010 _blue_.pdf

In summary though:

(a) The net gate receipts due from a match (except replayed matches in consequence of a
breach of the Rules) shall be the total ticket sales for the match less VAT, the travelling
(and possibly accommodation) expenses of the Visiting Club, the fees and expenses of the
Match Officials, and other match expenses allowed under the Competition Rules (which
include costs relating to gate attendants, turnstile operators, stewards, weather reports,
police charges, floodlighting in accordance with the Competition Rules, contributions to the
costs of First Aid Helpers and any costs relating to clearing the ground of snow and water
provided the Visiting Club is consulted beforehand on the approximate costs). Any
shortfalls in receipts are the responsibility of the home club and are not to be shared. The
Professional Game Board shall have the power from time to time to issue instructions as to what shall and shall not be allowed as a match expense.

And also just as interesting....

In cases where the gate receipts are not sufficient to cover the entire expenses of the
match, the deficit shall be shared by the two competing Clubs.

Last night may well have ended up costing us to play.

 

[Micalijo]

I've said it for years using Leeds as the example and got laughed out of school. I'd have taken it up the rear like they have if I'd had the fun of Top 4 finishes and European Nights in Milan and Madrid but was told to be thankful we were a well run club.

Don't tell Santos that. Next thing we'll be hearing his laughable assertion that Boro have under-achieved over the last 15 years or so.

 

[NN6]

I've made the same argument re Pompey...I'd gladly take relegation to the bottom division in exchange for winning the FA Cup and a game or two in Europe...its entirely possible that every person on this site will go an entire lifetime without seeing us win any trophy of note!!

Thats why it really p1ssed me off when we put that reserve team out v Swansea and got knocked out. We will NEVER win the Premiership but we might one day win the FA Cup so we have to take it seriously.

 

[Micalijo]

Or alternatively they're now playing things down to the media so that prices don't rocket?

Nahhhhh....Lets stick with conspiracy theorys about KB, they're more fun to argue with Micalijo about

No need for any conspiracy. He's just a shite manager, always moaning, feeling sorry for himself - and I thought he was in his dream job, shows how wrong I am.

There are clubs alot poorer than us who have produced successful, entertaining football in this tier. Under Blackwell we have no chance of that. We are 8th at moment because we still have a relatively huge budget and large wage bill. When it drops further we are in deep trouble under Blackwell.

Having said that, I would love to see a list of all McCabe quotes in the last 3 years and on reflection I do have a degree of sympathy for Blackwell when compared with my current feelings about McCabe.

 

[MobileBlade]

That £1.8m will come in handy.

Actually if you win the cup you get £3,397,500 in prize money.

 

[Micalijo]

He reckons Trevor's working overtime.
You'd think Beighton would know better than to mimic the ITKers at S6 who've helped turn their club into a pantomime but sadly not.

Quite right.

Trev might well be an insolvency specialist and I'm sure that is coming in handy but he won't be able to rent out these Realty properties at a price sufficient to keep the bank happy and that is the huge problem we face at the moment - all McCabe's doing by using BDTBL as backing for these bloody property ventures. I've made all that up of course but I do seriously believe it to be true!!

 

[Bramley]

Quite right.

Trev might well be an insolvency specialist and I'm sure that is coming in handy but he won't be able to rent out these Realty properties at a price sufficient to keep the bank happy and that is the huge problem we face at the moment - all McCabe's doing by using BDTBL as backing for these bloody property ventures. I've made all that up of course but I do seriously believe it to be true!!

Trevor certainly won't be able to sort out those rentals, he's only up in Sheffield 2 days a week.

 

[davidpinder]

Coming in late on this one. If Jim is right with the 2m-3m then i would of thought McCabe was expecting killa to go and for 1.5m so if say blackie was promised 2m than he has spent some on cressy and was going to use the killa money after. However we'll see now if killa goes (looking at a recent post) because apparently seip had a good game last night so he could be a ready made replacement, allowing us to to strengthen elsewhere.

 

[Micalijo]

Trevor certainly won't be able to sort out those rentals, he's only up in Sheffield 2 days a week.

Maybe's he's been in Rushden, Richmond, Leceister etc trying to sell warehouse space and 'luxurious, spacious apartment blocks for the young professionals with great city centre access yet 20 minutes from unspoiled countryside.'

I've made that up as well!

 

[LouTheBlade]

In regard to this potential £2M we could have/might still be getting for Kilgallon - I would like to take a moment to explain mathematically how United operate in regard to the club's transfer budget. I stress this is my theory but I believe it to be fairly close to the truth;

£2M transfer fee agreed for the sale of a player

minus £1.5M which disappears into the abyss never to be heard of again

£500K remaining

minus £200K of transfer fee to sign a replacement

£300K remaining

minus £200K to cover the player's £2K a week wages over the next two years

£100K remaining which will be used to pay scum bag agents / signing on fees

So to summarise;

£2M - £1.5M (which disappears) - £200K (transfer fee) - £200K (budgeted for wages) - £100K (scum bag fees) = £0

No wonder we're so successful!!! :thumbup:

 

[Blade58]

Coming in late on this one. If Jim is right with the 2m-3m then i would of thought McCabe was expecting killa to go and for 1.5m so if say blackie was promised 2m than he has spent some on cressy and was going to use the killa money after. However we'll see now if killa goes (looking at a recent post) because apparently seip had a good game last night so he could be a ready made replacement, allowing us to to strengthen elsewhere.

Seip may have had a good game last night and may also be a readymade replacement for Killa (even if he is yet another loanee) However, Killa will only go, if Killa wants to go!

We can't make him. The ball is well and truly in his court.

My gut feeling is and it is purely guess work, he's had the nod from Everton (and/or Jags) The word being sit tight and do nothing and there's £?k/week waiting for you here. In other words, any proposed fee for Killa instead goes into his pocket at the end of the season, rather than the clubs pocket. I believe again, that Killa going for talks with Burnley, is purely paying lip service. He's been made to talk to Burnley, but with no real intention of signing.

As I said previously, Mr McCabe will be seething having £1.75m snatched out of his hand. The thing is, he can't do anything about it. If Killa doesn't want to leave, he wont.

The only way out I can see and presuming it is Everton that want him, is for Moyes to take him early. But can anyone see him shelling out when he doesn't have to? On top of that, there maybe a little ill feeling between the two clubs after the Kyle to Everton debacle!

I just hope I'm wrong. We need the money!

 

[BV]

Seip may have had a good game last night and may also be a readymade replacement for Killa (even if he is yet another loanee) However, Killa will only go, if Killa wants to go!

We can't make him. The ball is well and truly in his court.

My gut feeling is and it is purely guess work, he's had the nod from Everton (and/or Jags) The word being sit tight and do nothing and there's £?k/week waiting for you here. In other words, any proposed fee for Killa instead goes into his pocket at the end of the season, rather than the clubs pocket. I believe again, that Killa going for talks with Burnley, is purely paying lip service. He's been made to talk to Burnley, but with no real intention of signing.

As I said previously, Mr McCabe will be seething having £1.75m snatched out of his hand. The thing is, he can't do anything about it. If Killa doesn't want to leave, he wont.

The only way out I can see and presuming it is Everton that want him, is for Moyes to take him early. But can anyone see him shelling out when he doesn't have to? On top of that, there maybe a little ill feeling between the two clubs after the Kyle to Everton debacle!

I just hope I'm wrong. We need the money!

But if he wanted to sign for Everton, could he not just sign now? I thought players were free to sign for other clubs in the last six months of their contract?

 

[puppet]

My gut feeling is and it is purely guess work, he's had the nod from Everton (and/or Jags) The word being sit tight and do nothing and there's £?k/week waiting for you here. In other words, any proposed fee for Killa instead goes into his pocket at the end of the season, rather than the clubs pocket. I believe again, that Killa going for talks with Burnley, is purely paying lip service. He's been made to talk to Burnley, but with no real intention of signing.

why would he have been tapped up by jags? especially as the poor sod is said to be in a situation where he might never play again

 

[LouTheBlade]

But if he wanted to sign for Everton, could he not just sign now? I thought players were free to sign for other clubs in the last six months of their contract?

Why would you think that? A contract is a contract - he has to complete it unless we let him leave

 

[User Name:]

Why would you think that? A contract is a contract - he has to complete it unless we let him leave

I also thought a player can sign some sort pre-contract to another club in thier last six months of thier current contract. They still have to see out thier original contract though. Now this can mean two things with Killa, one is, he likes being a blade and just wants to see if we can get promoted so he can stick with us, or alternatively (and more likely in my opinion) he just wants to keep his options open to maximise a ridiculous wage. On one hand I think its fare enough for Killa to wind down his contract after all he is honouring his contract, on the other hand, he knows we paid a lot of money for him and really he is screwing us (by us losing every penny we paid for him) so he can earn a bit of a signing on fee and a more ridiculous wage. I have decided to jump to conclusions and think I'd like him to Foxtrot Oscar. No more Danes about these days.

 

[Blade58]

why would he have been tapped up by jags? especially as the poor sod is said to be in a situation where he might never play again

I'm not saying he's been tapped up by Jags. However, it's logical to assume that as Killa knows Jags, he has spoken with him, asking a few questions etc.

Don't forget, it's all conjecture. You know the usual, putting 2 and 2 together to get 108!

PS. I didn't know Jags condition is career threatening! I thought there was a planned comeback for around Feb or something? Is he in a bad way?

 

[LouTheBlade]

I also thought a player can sign some sort pre-contract to another club in thier last six months of thier current contract.

I think the above might be true yes but it seldom happens. If that's what BV meant earlier then apologies as I misinterpreted. I assumed he meant Killa could walk out in the last 6 months.

 

[puppet]

PS. I didn't know Jags condition is career threatening! I thought there was a planned comeback for around Feb or something? Is he in a bad way?

i heard it on the endof some sports news item , may just have been space filling spec

 

[Selly]

I also thought a player can sign some sort pre-contract to another club in thier last six months of thier current contract. They still have to see out thier original contract though. Now this can mean two things with Killa, one is, he likes being a blade and just wants to see if we can get promoted so he can stick with us, or alternatively (and more likely in my opinion) he just wants to keep his options open to maximise a ridiculous wage. On one hand I think its fare enough for Killa to wind down his contract after all he is honouring his contract, on the other hand, he knows we paid a lot of money for him and really he is screwing us (by us losing every penny we paid for him) so he can earn a bit of a signing on fee and a more ridiculous wage. I have decided to jump to conclusions and think I'd like him to Foxtrot Oscar. No more Danes about these days.

Players can sign a pre-contract once they are in the last 6 months of their current contract.

However they cannot do this in the same league system as they currently play.

Ergo, if Killa wants to stay in England, he either moves in Jan and we get a fee, or he moves in the Summer and we don`t.

and if he doesn`t want to stay in England he can sign a pre-contreact to join someone in the summer and we get nowt.

 

[SwissBlade]

In regard to this potential £2M we could have/might still be getting for Kilgallon - I would like to take a moment to explain mathematically how United operate in regard to the club's transfer budget. I stress this is my theory but I believe it to be fairly close to the truth;

£2M transfer fee agreed for the sale of a player

minus £1.5M which disappears into the abyss never to be heard of again

£500K remaining

minus £200K of transfer fee to sign a replacement

£300K remaining

minus £200K to cover the player's £2K a week wages over the next two years

£100K remaining which will be used to pay scum bag agents / signing on fees

So to summarise;

£2M - £1.5M (which disappears) - £200K (transfer fee) - £200K (budgeted for wages) - £100K (scum bag fees) = £0

No wonder we're so successful!!! :thumbup:

Don't forget the % to Leeds if we get over a million

 

[LouTheBlade]

Don't forget the % to Leeds if we get over a million

Of course yes quite right - that will be deducted from the replacement player's transfer fee so lets not worry.....agents scum bag fees are safe!

 

[BV]

Players can sign a pre-contract once they are in the last 6 months of their current contract.

However they cannot do this in the same league system as they currently play.

Ergo, if Killa wants to stay in England, he either moves in Jan and we get a fee, or he moves in the Summer and we don`t.

and if he doesn`t want to stay in England he can sign a pre-contreact to join someone in the summer and we get nowt.

Yeah, this is what I was alluding to. I didn’t know that it had to be for a foreign league, makes sense though.

 

[beightonblade]

oh yee of little faith !

If yer think Sir Clevor Trevor has been appointed for his insolvency expertise yer wrong !


an if yer want to associate me wi S6 .... on yer go !