Tomori over JOC

[CarlMcBlade]

We don’t want any England internationals yet......... Maybe next season when we’ve got the measure of this league. We can’t help that the Irish and Jock need anyone they can get....But that’s probably the up side of the Hendo fuck up. Southgate doesn’t fancy him yet and Jack sort of plays in a position currently occupied by a £80M player.

 

[CarlMcBlade]

But if Egan was English he’d be th first name on Southgate’s team sheet.

 

[diplomat]

It’s an odd one because JOC was captain of the u19s when Southgate took over the u21s. He seems to favour former England youth players.

As an aside, one of my favourite Ray Parlour stories is when he was at Boro and Southgate became manager. His nickname was ‘gate’ apparently and at the first team meeting he told his former playing colleagues ‘look, I’m manager now so you can’t call me Gate anymore’.
Parlour said ‘OK, how about “Big Nose”?’

I heard that and that he never played for them again after that moment.

 

[bromtom]

We don’t want any England internationals yet......... Maybe next season when we’ve got the measure of this league. We can’t help that the Irish and Jock need anyone they can get....But that’s probably the up side of the Hendo fuck up. Southgate doesn’t fancy him yet and Jack sort of plays in a position currently occupied by a £80M player.

I'm not expecting them to start of anything, but when Mings is getting called up and Michael Keane is playing, JOC deserves a name check in the form of a callup, even if he gets nowhere near.

 

[snootyfenooty]

JOC is playing better this season than last although you could argue the season before was his high point. He'll get his turn in an England shirt but probably not for us as a classy left sided CB is a valuable (and rare) commodity these days.

 

[Yoonited]

O'Connell will get called up, but when there's about 10 players above him in the pecking order (and southgate was there for the liverpool game where he was MOTM), he's no chance.

Chelsea and Lampard are fashionable for some reason. Hell, Paul Merson thinks they could dominate English football.

It could be argued that Paul Merson and the word 'thinks' don't belong in the same sentence

 

[BettingBlade]

Tomori looked out of his depth at Championship level.

At Chelsea now though so of course he’s straight in the team.

 

[blade too long]

when the moons in the sky
like a big piece of pie


whos Tomori

 

[8lade]

Heaton & Mings (Villa) goals conceded: 11

Henderson & O'Connell (Sheffield United) goals conceded: 7

Now fairs fair you can't just look at the numbers, Villa have played Arsenal, Spurs and West Ham whereas we've only played Liverpool, Chelsea and Leicester. (4,5,6 v 1,3,7)

 

[bromtom]

Mings with the howler too at Arsenal.

You can drop bollocks and still get a phonecall as long as you play for a "big club".

 

[NottinghamBlade]

I imagine Tomori is getting called up so that they can give him 5 minutes in a competitive fixture so that he's no longer eligible for Canada or Nigeria. Then if he turns into a world beater in a few years, England won't have lost him to one of those countries.

 

[BushBlade]

I imagine Tomori is getting called up so that they can give him 5 minutes in a competitive fixture so that he's no longer eligible for Canada or Nigeria. Then if he turns into a world beater in a few years, England won't have lost him to one of those countries.

Exactly. Same with Abraham. Imagine if they turn out to be the new Terry and Drogba and Southgate let them go and play for Nigeria.

 

[bromtom]

I imagine Tomori is getting called up so that they can give him 5 minutes in a competitive fixture so that he's no longer eligible for Canada or Nigeria. Then if he turns into a world beater in a few years, England won't have lost him to one of those countries.

I hope JOC declares for Nigeria out of spite.

 

[mancunianblade]

Tomori has a been stand out in Chelsea’s defence imo. As mentioned it’s also a flag in the sand exercise. And to be honest think the disappointment should be aimed at Keane’s inclusion rather than Tomori’s

 

[Chief14]

On the radio earlier they said the main reason they believe he was called up was to prevent him being able to declare for another nation

 

[Kanye]

Can you remember Giggs etc coming through though? I can. They were good but they were a long way from what they became. Giggs couldn’t cross. Lee Sharpe looked a better prospect.

The famous Hansen quote referred to above followed a defeat where they looked out of their depth. It wasn’t just their ability that made them, it was their mentality. And that’s what I don’t know regarding the Chelsea players, whether they’ve got that same winning attitude and self motivation.

And I hate typing this because I can’t stand Chelsea.

In fairness no, I was actually born in 1993, so anything I know about the class of 92 is retrospective.
It's funny you should say that about Giggs though, because I've recently heard interviews with Micky Gray and Ben Thornley who were at Man Utd at the same time as Giggs, and they both implied that it was obvious, even then, that Giggs would go on to become a top player.

You're absolutely right though about mentality, in the aforementioned interviews attitude, and more specifically, knowing the importance of the team rather than individuals seemed to be a common theme.

 

[BushBlade]

In fairness no, I was actually born in 1993, so anything I know about the class of 92 is retrospective.
It's funny you should say that about Giggs though, because I've recently heard interviews with Micky Gray and Ben Thornley who were at Man Utd at the same time as Giggs, and they both implied that it was obvious, even then, that Giggs would go on to become a top player.

You're absolutely right though about mentality, in the aforementioned interviews attitude, and more specifically, knowing the importance of the team rather than individuals seemed to be a common theme.

Don’t get me wrong, his crossing was poor but fucking hell, he could dribble and go past players like they weren’t there.

 

[blade67]

Apparently tomori has been called up over JOC to the England squad

It's a joke

 

[blade67]

From what I saw of him at Derby last season, he never stood out. But obviously now he’s playing for Chelsea, so he’s bound to get a call-up. Got to be a better option than Michael Keane mind - he’s been poor for club and country so far this season.

Was "owned" by Billy on boxing Day. Legs had turned to jelly by the end

 

[diplomat]

Don’t get me wrong, his crossing was poor but fucking hell, he could dribble and go past players like they weren’t there.

He scored a worldie against us in the cup. Didn’t need to cross it he just got the ball and ran a bit and spanked it in.

 

[bornablade]

If we signed Harry Kane in January he wouldn't be chosen by Southgate for the England match in March.

 

[Kozzy_is_my_Dad]

That England squad is shit anyway, wouldn't want Jack anywhere near it.