Today's ref

[Fjortoft's Aeroplane]

Seriki incident is a stonewall penalty. Clear tug in the pen area, the strength of the tug is irrelevant.

What about Campbell incident any videos of that?

 

[SUFC Guy]

Seriki incident is a stonewall penalty. Clear tug in the pen area, the strength of the tug is irrelevant.

What about Campbell incident any videos of that?

Don't think there was any contact on Campbell. Deffo a tug on Seriki. A tug is a tug in my book!

 

[Tarqs]

Don't think there was any contact on Campbell. Deffo a tug on Seriki. A tug is a tug in my book!

unless it's a tug.

 

[LBA_Blade]

Ref bottled it basically if he saw it as defender was on a yellow. There was a clear pull whether that is enough to make Seriki go down is another matter. If ref didn't see it no way is the assistant going to be brave enough to make that call, they generally only look for throw ins and off sides these days.

He bottled it massively he could sell it off as a perfume! It doesn't make a difference if it was enough contact to make him go down, Law 12 is clear, a direct free kick should be awarded if a player holds an opponent, which clearly happened. To be fair I would been happy if he would have given it but didn't give the yellow card as it wasn't reckless and there was no red involved as clearly not stopping an obvious goal scoring opportunity. The frustrating thing about assistant referees is in the Laws they have a signal that might also bring an aircraft down to land for giving a free kick but hardly use it. I think the referee has gone over his comms to say no penalty. They should open the comms between officials to the TV media similarly like they do in Rugby, so then if he isn't giving it why isn't he giving it. If the referee actually said live, no penalty I haven't anything in that/haven't seen a pull. Yes he might on reflection get it wrong but least we have a reason behind why he thought so.

The FA/FIFA et al are scared about what is picked up by the mics but opening them up to the public so to speak would at least allow consistency, no referee regardless of how good they are, is going to get everything 100% correct as per the Laws but if they were giving a running commentary at least as a fan, we would understand what they have seen. What their opinions are of it and the associated outcome. I would also like a go pro style head cam/glasses that the referee wears, this would give a great insight into the referees view. Yes I have slagged him off for not giving that penalty but at the crucial moment a player in back play might have got in his way blocking his view. If that's the case then fair enough you can't see them all.

 

[CrookesBlade]

unless it's a tug.

 

[Grey Blade]

General comment about refereeing. Why do the rules not allow them to do something about pushing and pulling prior to corners being taken? It wasn't too bad last night , but there again the ridiculous pushing and pulling in the Everton v Man U game was fresh in my mind.
Personally I think it's often difficult to judge who starts it and if the first incident results in both players being cautioned (whether the ball's in play or not), I believe it would soon stop.
It reached new heights in the Everton Match and something should be done.

I'm also getting a bit cheesed off with off the ball confrontations in our recent games - it just invites avoidable cautions

 

[The Fox]

General comment about refereeing. Why do the rules not allow them to do something about pushing and pulling prior to corners being taken? It wasn't too bad last night , but there again the ridiculous pushing and pulling in the Everton v Man U game was fresh in my mind.
Personally I think it's often difficult to judge who starts it and if the first incident results in both players being cautioned (whether the ball's in play or not), I believe it would soon stop.
It reached new heights in the Everton Match and something should be done.

I'm also getting a bit cheesed off with off the ball confrontations in our recent games - it just invites avoidable cautions

Discussion on the radio this week .

Apparently fouls can only be committed when the ball is in play , which seams daft when red cards can be issued after the final whistle

Games gone

 

[LBA_Blade]

General comment about refereeing. Why do the rules not allow them to do something about pushing and pulling prior to corners being taken? It wasn't too bad last night , but there again the ridiculous pushing and pulling in the Everton v Man U game was fresh in my mind.
Personally I think it's often difficult to judge who starts it and if the first incident results in both players being cautioned (whether the ball's in play or not), I believe it would soon stop.
It reached new heights in the Everton Match and something should be done.

I'm also getting a bit cheesed off with off the ball confrontations in our recent games - it just invites avoidable cautions

Because the ball isn't in play, when I refereed in on Saturday afternoon and Sunday morning's. If any of that was going on, I would stop the ball coming in bring everyone out to the penalty spot and tell them I am watching and ping the first if it happened, regardless if that's a penalty or a defensive free kick. The problem is with referees vs players further up the pyramid especially at pro level, they don't like getting spoken to like children and the darling clubs that pay them don't like a referee speaking with them.

 

[CrookesBlade]

General comment about refereeing. Why do the rules not allow them to do something about pushing and pulling prior to corners being taken? It wasn't too bad last night , but there again the ridiculous pushing and pulling in the Everton v Man U game was fresh in my mind.
Personally I think it's often difficult to judge who starts it and if the first incident results in both players being cautioned (whether the ball's in play or not), I believe it would soon stop.
It reached new heights in the Everton Match and something should be done.

I'm also getting a bit cheesed off with off the ball confrontations in our recent games - it just invites avoidable cautions

The ref should tell them at the start of the game first foul they see at a corner gets given, free kick or penalty doesn’t matter.

Talking to the players doesn’t work. It’s so frustrating as the corner essentially confers no advantage now, expecting one of our players to be pulled away from the ball every time a corner is given. If they resist this in any way then the ref can’t blow his whistle fast enough to give the defending team a free kick.

 

[jaybee]

What was with the countdown when their keeper had the ball... shows everyone in the ground his countdown with his hand, gets to zero, looks around a bit as if to say what do I do now and lets keeper faff about a bit longer before he kicks it

 

[I should coco]

What was with the countdown when their keeper had the ball... shows everyone in the ground his countdown with his hand, gets to zero, looks around a bit as if to say what do I do now and lets keeper faff about a bit longer before he kicks it

I think he was showing us, that he was doing the preliminary countdown, before he started the introductory countdown, then the main countdown.

 

[LBA_Blade]

The ref should tell them at the start of the game first foul they see at a corner gets given, free kick or penalty doesn’t matter.

Talking to the players doesn’t work. It’s so frustrating as the corner essentially confers no advantage now, expecting one of our players to be pulled away from the ball every time a corner is given. If they resist this in any way then the ref can’t blow his whistle fast enough to give the defending team a free kick.

This is why captains in football is pointless, in Rugby they are used as a comms tool between the referee and players. In football once they have done the coin toss and the team huddle there isn't anything else for them to do. Some referees can come across arrogant which doesn't help, but respect needs to be earnt. The problem with the high paying salaries in football gives them entitlement.

 

[Blade&Snuff]

While we re on about keepers what the hell is going on with them just deciding to sit down anywhere on the pitch when there is no one near them. This surely has to be stopped. I know we do it but it’s getting ridiculous when on Sunday the pig 50,000th emergency keeper sat down almost on half way line and last night Coventry’s rather animated keeper did the same and just sat down. Nothing wrong with him. I think a you have to come off the pitch for length of time down or bringing on the sub keeper while they get treatment would be enough to stop this happening every game. Let’s face it keeper injuries are rare and usually happen from a set piece when area crowded not when no one near them at all.

They should have to take a defender off for 5 minutes and stop the players going to the touchline for instructions. It boils my piss.

 

[SUFC Guy]

While we re on about keepers what the hell is going on with them just deciding to sit down anywhere on the pitch when there is no one near them. This surely has to be stopped. I know we do it but it’s getting ridiculous when on Sunday the pig 50,000th emergency keeper sat down almost on half way line and last night Coventry’s rather animated keeper did the same and just sat down. Nothing wrong with him. I think a you have to come off the pitch for length of time down or bringing on the sub keeper while they get treatment would be enough to stop this happening every game. Let’s face it keeper injuries are rare and usually happen from a set piece when area crowded not when no one near them at all.

The officials just need to be very strict with the time it takes. If he thinks they're taking the piss then add on double the time that they are down. It won't happen though.

 

[SUFC Guy]

unless it's a tug.

We all like a good tug from time to time

 

[The Fox]

The officials just need to be very strict with the time it takes. If he thinks they're taking the piss then add on double the time that they are down. It won't happen though.

I'd say no players in the 6 yard box as the corner is taken and limit the no of attackers and defenders in the penalty box .

Stops all that nonsense blocking keepers , and hopefully the wrestlemania .

 

[Scousewig]

Don't think there was any contact on Campbell. Deffo a tug on Seriki. A tug is a tug in my book!

The defender left his foot out and campbells right leg caught his heal. Clear pen.

 

[Champagneblade]

Not to mention the red which Assante would have received for a second yellow once the pen is given.

10 v 11 and 77% chance of 1-0 and with over half the game to go.

It’s not Cov’s fault but the refs give us nowt these days.

What was it Bassett said “our players would need to be gang banged in the penalty area to be given one”?

Starting to feel that way.

Should have got one at Millwall too after the guy tackled McCallum when he’d just got his shot off.

 

[The Fox]

Apart from the penalty claims , from the Westfield you can see down the south stand touchline . The ball sereki apparently failed to keep in play which lead to the throw in and second goal wasn't over the line , some of it but not all by any means , happens often .

Linesman absolutely bottled it .

 

[Champagneblade]

General comment about refereeing. Why do the rules not allow them to do something about pushing and pulling prior to corners being taken? It wasn't too bad last night , but there again the ridiculous pushing and pulling in the Everton v Man U game was fresh in my mind.
Personally I think it's often difficult to judge who starts it and if the first incident results in both players being cautioned (whether the ball's in play or not), I believe it would soon stop.
It reached new heights in the Everton Match and something should be done.

I'm also getting a bit cheesed off with off the ball confrontations in our recent games - it just invites avoidable cautions

If they’re not sure, just red card to the United player. That’s the usual one!

 

[metalblade]

Referees just do not give those decisions against a Frank Lampard team. Both our players went down too easy so gave the ref the perfect excuse to wave them away. Now if a player in Frank's team went down that easily you can be sure the ref would blow the whistle.

 

[ForgeBlade]

While we re on about keepers what the hell is going on with them just deciding to sit down anywhere on the pitch when there is no one near them. This surely has to be stopped. I know we do it but it’s getting ridiculous when on Sunday the pig 50,000th emergency keeper sat down almost on half way line and last night Coventry’s rather animated keeper did the same and just sat down. Nothing wrong with him. I think a you have to come off the pitch for length of time down or bringing on the sub keeper while they get treatment would be enough to stop this happening every game. Let’s face it keeper injuries are rare and usually happen from a set piece when area crowded not when no one near them at all.

I was thinking about this last night. My suggestion would be for refs to initially play on when a keeper sits down like that. If (as the cov guy would have last night) he immediately hops back up and is suddenly fine, then yellow card and pen to the other side. If he stays down indicating genuine distress, then stop play and get him treated.

 

[bakeblade]

Seriki incident is a stonewall penalty. Clear tug in the pen area, the strength of the tug is irrelevant.

What about Campbell incident any videos of that?

Some decent footage on YouTube from Jebbo37
Looked a stonewall pen but I think the refs view was obstructed, so he basically guessed in favour of Lampard

 

[Fjortoft's Aeroplane]

Some decent footage on YouTube from Jebbo37
Looked a stonewall pen but I think the refs view was obstructed, so he basically guessed in favour of Lampard

It's at 16 minutes if anyone wants to watch it. This angle it def looks a penalty as it did from the kop yesterday. I have seen other angles on the Sky hilights where its less obvious.

 

[Nedski]

General comment about refereeing. Why do the rules not allow them to do something about pushing and pulling prior to corners being taken? It wasn't too bad last night , but there again the ridiculous pushing and pulling in the Everton v Man U game was fresh in my mind.
Personally I think it's often difficult to judge who starts it and if the first incident results in both players being cautioned (whether the ball's in play or not), I believe it would soon stop.
It reached new heights in the Everton Match and something should be done.

I'm also getting a bit cheesed off with off the ball confrontations in our recent games - it just invites avoidable cautions

Refs hate making decisions, especially against big names. This one even had VAR and they couldn't give it:

 

[LBA_Blade]

Some decent footage on YouTube from Jebbo37
Looked a stonewall pen but I think the refs view was obstructed, so he basically guessed in favour of Lampard

I don't have a problem with the fact of the view being obstructed as that can easily happen and a more than valid reason for not giving it however, if the view was obstructed he shouldn't then be giving a yellow card for simulation as how can he see it?

 

[Fjortoft's Aeroplane]

First thing to comment on is the defender gets nowhere near the ball whatsoever with his leg massively outstretched. Sure the contact might not be "heavy" but it's still there. I'm not in favour of bringing full VAR into the championship, but if it was just used for penalty flashpoints like this I wouldn't object.

 

[wadblade]

First thing to comment on is the defender gets nowhere near the ball whatsoever with his leg massively outstretched. Sure the contact might not be "heavy" but it's still there. I'm not in favour of bringing full VAR into the championship, but if it was just used for penalty flashpoints like this I wouldn't object.

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Yes its clearly a dive isnt it ref

 

[Covkid19]

Seriki incident is a stonewall penalty. Clear tug in the pen area, the strength of the tug is irrelevant.

What about Campbell incident any videos of that?

If you play no contact anywhere then there would be a penalty at every corner!
Seriki is a fool to himself he beat mason Clark and was In a great position, then the sniper got him . Fool.
Cambell just dived.

 

[HodgysBrokenThumb]

First thing to comment on is the defender gets nowhere near the ball whatsoever with his leg massively outstretched. Sure the contact might not be "heavy" but it's still there. I'm not in favour of bringing full VAR into the championship, but if it was just used for penalty flashpoints like this I wouldn't object.

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That photo absolutely confirms what I saw from directly behind the goal. Defender misses ball, catches Campbell’s foot as he was swerving to go past him, bringing him down. 100% penalty.