Today's Jubilee Looky-Likey

[Bashamed]

At NO point did I say or indicate that money had changed hands over the issue.
Maybe it did, or maybe it didn’t.

It did. We know this. It isn't a secret

 

[Cheesebored]

It did. We know this. It isn't a secret

Press conjecture apparently.

 

[Athens Blade]

Monarchy-haters are allus a bit shallow on viable alternatives. You know. Constitutional realignment. Share of power. Executive. Judicial and Presidential privilege and what the executive orders might comprise if needed. Armed Forces structure, Policing, Bill of Rights, upper and lower house and the process of legislature, She's involved in much, if not all of that directly or indirectly. I'd rather her cutting ribbons than some superannuated ex-head of Nissan UK to be honest. At least we know where she came from and her family have human error writ large all over them, regardless of the opulence and regality.

I mean, withdrawing from a fucking horrendous and hateful at times economic bloc has crippled this country, let alone sacking the current head of state for no particular reason but inverted class snobbery and flamethowering a millennia of societal and historic precedent would just be 'oven-ready', wouldn't it?

pommpey

Clearly an ex-serviceman pomps

 

[Jon Bon II]

Can't wait for season to start

I'm so sorry. I never meant for any of this to happen.

 

[Jon Bon II]

Everytime I read in my head the god awful "Platty Jubes" I do so in the voice of Mel Gedroyc or Sue Perkins and it makes 16 year old me feel shame for cracking several out over them in their light lunch days.

Makes me think of platted pubes. Like, not fondly or owt, just how it sounds.

 

[Charlieblade]

Press conjecture apparently.

Is it media speculation, or press conjecture that suggests that HM paid his fine or award, whatever it was.
Is it media speculation or press conjecture that suggests that he was found guilty and obliged to pay a fine/award. I don’t know because he is not important enough to cross my radar.

For the third time! I agreed with Pompey that the person or persons making any payment was not a matter of public record, but the subject of idle press speculation. In the absence of facts, that’s what the press do.
According to Bashamed, money changed hands and thats a fact. It may or may not be a fact, but it cannot be attributed to me either way. I never commented on that in any of my posts. Check if you like.

 

[snb69]

Is it media speculation, or press conjecture that suggests that HM paid his fine or award, whatever it was.
Is it media speculation or press conjecture that suggests that he was found guilty and obliged to pay a fine/award. I don’t know because he is not important enough to cross my radar.

For the third time! I agreed with Pompey that the person or persons making any payment was not a matter of public record, but the subject of idle press speculation. In the absence of facts, that’s what the press do.
According to Bashamed, money changed hands and thats a fact. It may or may not be a fact, but it cannot be attributed to me either way. I never commented on that in any of my posts. Check if you like.

It's a matter of public record that the claim was settled out of court, and that a sum of money was paid to the charity/foundation that Viginia Guiffre set up

What is not known directly is a) how much money that was and b) who actually provided the funds

Informed opinion seems to consider a) in the range of £10-12 million

 

[Cheesebored]

Not defending Andrew, but as Pompey points out. The financial rescue by her was always based on media speculation. Faced with a lack of any evidence or facts, that’s what they resort to.

I've read it three times now. Media speculation, lack of evidence or facts. So you're not defending him, you doubt it happened due to lack of evidence and and it's press speculation that Miss Giuffre received a payment from the Queen. If that's your view fine but I don't think there's anywhere left to go with this conversation. I keep getting drawn back into the thread when I should know better.

 

[raul]

I'm so sorry. I never meant for any of this to happen.

Well when she breathes her last, sit on your hands, or at least put it in General Chat.

 

[vegleeds]

Is it media speculation or press conjecture that suggests that he was found guilty and obliged to pay a fine/award. I don’t know because he is not important enough to cross my radar.

Nobody could be found guilty of anything because in a civil case, it's a matter of liability rather than the guilty verdict of a criminal case. Yes, we may never know the full terms of the settlement but let's remember that he was stripped of his military titles before settlement was reached. He's still a Vice-Admiral though (who says Maj has no sense of humour!) but it just shows the way that even his mum thought the trial verdict was going to go. Anybody who thinks that the settlement didn't involve substantial millions (££ or $$) needs to give their head a wobble. That being the case, where did the settlement money come from?

 

[Jon Bon II]

raul To be fair and in my defence, y'honour, the OP was Blades related.

 

[Chingo]

From the point of view of those that disagree with you, you've probably been brain-washed from birth to assume that the royals "are a benefit/use to this country" and that alas is "your problem". As for being "in a minority" what exactly does this mean? Did we ever have any kind of vote/referendum regarding royalty because I must have missed it? (Only recent constitutional vote I can remember was in 2016 when a minority of the electorate voted for the UK to leave the EU.)

I like royalty and think they do a good job so why do I have a problem , is it because I disagree with you?

Nobody could be found guilty of anything because in a civil case, it's a matter of liability rather than the guilty verdict of a criminal case. Yes, we may never know the full terms of the settlement but let's remember that he was stripped of his military titles before settlement was reached. He's still a Vice-Admiral though (who says Maj has no sense of humour!) but it just shows the way that even his mum thought the trial verdict was going to go. Anybody who thinks that the settlement didn't involve substantial millions (££ or $$) needs to give their head a wobble. That being the case, where did the settlement money come from?

you tell us where the money came from

 

[biggiesablade]

I'm so sorry. I never meant for any of this to happen.

Don't worry iv been arguing about transgender folk for a day

 

[Jon Bon II]

Don't worry iv been arguing about transgender folk for a day

That's not a style of music I'm particularly familiar with I'm afraid.

 

[Cheesebored]

That's not a style of music I'm particularly familiar with I'm afraid.

It's like normal folk but fluffed up a bit.

 

[vegleeds]

I like royalty and think they do a good job so why do I have a problem , is it because I disagree with you?

It only seems like this morning that you were telling somebody else with an opposing view that THEY had the 'problem'. Ha Ha

---------------------------------------------------

"you tell us where the money came from"

The Queen for sure...................... Just joshing. Like others, I can only speculate. He had a luxury chalet in Switzerland that he was trying to sell but if he did manage to sell it, it doesn't appear to have hit the news pages so far. Not sure about his other assets but in the past, he was notorious for getting bungs from all kinds of shady customers in return for using royal influence. I have a slight suspicion that that source of income has now dried up. Same with his old chums who might have lent him a bob or two in the past. But not now. I've just read that in 2017 he had £5m in the bank (wonder how he amassed that?) but his recent eye-watering legal fees will have eaten into that.

Only other source for a donation of a few £mill that I can think of takes me back to his dear old mum. (He's her favourite son don't you know!) Even with no public appearances meaning no money from the Civil List, it's difficult to understand how he is coping financially unless he's being subsidised by Maj.

So the answer to your question is, I don't know for certain but the more I look at it, The Royal Bank of Mum does seem to be a very persuasive answer.

 

[Piffle and Tosh]

She and her family live in ridiculous affluence payed for by taxpayers, at a time of economic crisis for the poorest in our society. Inverted class snobbery or common sense?

Not to mention the 1000 other perfectly good reasons we shouldn't have a monarchy. The viable alternative is literally anything else done by most of the Western world.

We could have someone like Putin instead wouldn't that be fantastic ?

 

[vegleeds]

We could have someone like Putin instead wouldn't that be fantastic ?

As Putin is probably the most reviled person in Europe at the moment, is this a case of reductio ad absurdum?

 

[pommpey]

Clearly an ex-serviceman pomps

Still serving

There are many non serving members who feel this way too

pommpey

 

[bladeinspaceandtime]

Monarchy-haters are allus a bit shallow on viable alternatives. You know. Constitutional realignment. Share of power. Executive. Judicial and Presidential privilege and what the executive orders might comprise if needed. Armed Forces structure, Policing, Bill of Rights, upper and lower house and the process of legislature, She's involved in much, if not all of that directly or indirectly. I'd rather her cutting ribbons than some superannuated ex-head of Nissan UK to be honest. At least we know where she came from and her family have human error writ large all over them, regardless of the opulence and regality.

I mean, withdrawing from a fucking horrendous and hateful at times economic bloc has crippled this country, let alone sacking the current head of state for no particular reason but inverted class snobbery and flamethowering a millennia of societal and historic precedent would just be 'oven-ready', wouldn't it?

pommpey

What a load of crap. Suicidal Covid lockdown policies (solely based on hysteria) are what have crippled this and many other countries. That’s before we get to the Net Zero horseshite.

 

[pommpey]

It only seems like this morning that you were telling somebody else with an opposing view that THEY had the 'problem'. Ha Ha

---------------------------------------------------

"you tell us where the money came from"

The Queen for sure...................... Just joshing. Like others, I can only speculate. He had a luxury chalet in Switzerland that he was trying to sell but if he did manage to sell it, it doesn't appear to have hit the news pages so far. Not sure about his other assets but in the past, he was notorious for getting bungs from all kinds of shady customers in return for using royal influence. I have a slight suspicion that that source of income has now dried up. Same with his old chums who might have lent him a bob or two in the past. But not now. I've just read that in 2017 he had £5m in the bank (wonder how he amassed that?) but his recent eye-watering legal fees will have eaten into that.

Only other source for a donation of a few £mill that I can think of takes me back to his dear old mum. (He's her favourite son don't you know!) Even with no public appearances meaning no money from the Civil List, it's difficult to understand how he is coping financially unless he's being subsidised by Maj.

So the answer to your question is, I don't know for certain but the more I look at it, The Royal Bank of Mum does seem to be a very persuasive answer.

But it is still assumptions and speculation. You have no idea what other tangibles he has or which third party is also shoving cash his way, or over what terms this settlement is agreed. It is unlikely he will have said 'Okay Miss, I'll give you twelve mill to shut up. Which account shall I make the cheque out to?' True that he will be pretty potless after this (which to me is richly fucking deserved, although a spell inside might alleviate any further doubts about his sexual integrity) and he is currently living alongside his ex wife in a grace a favour lodge in Windsor, courtesy of Brenda plc.

But I'd issue caution trying to work out the details of his transactions. Rich people's financial arrangements are complex and spread out to mitigate risk. Simply assuming Brenda has said 'I've got this tab, Andy love' is daft beyond comprehension, so steer clear of the press and the iNtOrNeT.

pommpey

 

[pommpey]

What a load of crap. Suicidal Covid lockdown policies (solely based on hysteria) are what have crippled this and many other countries. That’s before we get to the Net Zero horseshite.

Um, disagree. Simply ignoring COVID as a par-for-the-course infection would have killed significantly more, especially the elderly and vulnerable. Vast amounts of epidemiologists and medical scientists agree on this.

pommpey

 

[Jon Bon II]

We could have someone like Putin instead wouldn't that be fantastic ?

For the country? Yes. For other countries and our american handlers, not so.

 

[Chingo]

It only seems like this morning that you were telling somebody else with an opposing view that THEY had the 'problem'. Ha Ha

---------------------------------------------------

"you tell us where the money came from"

The Queen for sure...................... Just joshing. Like others, I can only speculate. He had a luxury chalet in Switzerland that he was trying to sell but if he did manage to sell it, it doesn't appear to have hit the news pages so far. Not sure about his other assets but in the past, he was notorious for getting bungs from all kinds of shady customers in return for using royal influence. I have a slight suspicion that that source of income has now dried up. Same with his old chums who might have lent him a bob or two in the past. But not now. I've just read that in 2017 he had £5m in the bank (wonder how he amassed that?) but his recent eye-watering legal fees will have eaten into that.

Only other source for a donation of a few £mill that I can think of takes me back to his dear old mum. (He's her favourite son don't you know!) Even with no public appearances meaning no money from the Civil List, it's difficult to understand how he is coping financially unless he's being subsidised by Maj.

So the answer to your question is, I don't know for certain but the more I look at it, The Royal Bank of Mum does seem to be a very persuasive answer.

So you don’t know , you are just speculating?
In the circles they mix £12m is pocket change and it could have come from anywhere!

Yes I did know he was the favourite, I watched The Crown

 

[vegleeds]

So you don’t know , you are just speculating?
In the circles they mix £12m is pocket change and it could have come from anywhere!

Wow! I more or less started off by saying that I was "speculating" and you've now realised that I was "just speculating". You should be on BBC 4's Brain Of Britain with such deductive skill. I could also speculate that Glenn Miller might still be alive at age 118, they never did find a body. Or the Earth is flat. Or Trump was twisted out of the 2020 US election. Sometimes we can only use information and whatever common sense we have to help us come to a reasonable conclusion over a certain matter. Sometimes we just don't have 100% certainty: this happens in many, many court cases.

Common sense tells me that Andy no longer moves in the same moneyed and obliging circles that he used to and hasn't for a while. Only circle he'll be involved with at the moment will be trudging round the duck pond at the back of Buck House. When he had power and influence, yes obtaining ££££ might not have been such a problem. (You scratch my back doesn't work very well when you're in no position to return the favour.) With what's been happening to him in the past year or two, common sense tells me his former "friends" will have dropped him like a hot potato. Anyway he still seems to be fraternising at least with the Royal Family.............which leads us back to Mummy.

 

[Chingo]

Wow! I more or less started off by saying that I was "speculating" and you've now realised that I was "just speculating". You should be on BBC 4's Brain Of Britain with such deductive skill. I could also speculate that Glenn Miller might still be alive at age 118, they never did find a body. Or the Earth is flat. Or Trump was twisted out of the 2020 US election. Sometimes we can only use information and whatever common sense we have to help us come to a reasonable conclusion over a certain matter. Sometimes we just don't have 100% certainty: this happens in many, many court cases.

Common sense tells me that Andy no longer moves in the same moneyed and obliging circles that he used to and hasn't for a while. Only circle he'll be involved with at the moment will be trudging round the duck pond at the back of Buck House. When he had power and influence, yes obtaining ££££ might not have been such a problem. (You scratch my back doesn't work very well when you're in no position to return the favour.) With what's been happening to him in the past year or two, common sense tells me his former "friends" will have dropped him like a hot potato. Anyway he still seems to be fraternising at least with the Royal Family.............which leads us back to Mummy.

Hearsay and speculation is all you all dealing with maybe a jot of libel and defamation… tut tut

 

[pommpey]

Hearsay and speculation is all you all dealing with maybe a jot of libel and defamation… tut tut

It's okay. The synopsis comes from two sources:

a. "I reckon, me, right ... "

b. The papers.

Again, without looking like I am defending the manipulative nonce, I'll say that any bets on how that settlement is paid and what his future holds are off.

We can firmly assume that he will lay low on meagre funds for two years or so and muted gestures with barometric feelers on public opinion will be utilised to partly re-integrate him into some sort of back office official role within the court where he can 'earn' some value. Stitching potato sacks on D Wing would be the one for me to be honest.

pommpey

 

[Pollingtonblade]

Has anyone seen "The Crown" on Netflix?

 

[Middle Aged Blade]

Trying to bring it back to the OP!!


Didzy


Jeffrey Wright from TV’s Westworld

 

[Wapping Blade]

I don't see myself as personally superior to anyone. And I doubt the Royal Family do too.

pommpey

The Queen maybe but Chas and Nonce definitely do.