Today's Jubilee Looky-Likey

[Bert]

The slave trade ended three years into our own Queen's great-great-grandmother's reign.

It ended in 1807, well before Victoria was born, slaves were fully emancipated in 1838.

 

[pommpey]

I've never called myself poor, it was a reply to one of your rants.

Yes you did. So just to clarify ... you're not poor? Have the Royal Family made you poor? Just how far would that quid-odd it costs you to 'keep' them stretch in your weekly budget?

Why do you keep blurring the lines with politics, Brexit in particular?

Because when you examine people's motives in belief, they aren't quite what they seem. In the case of Brexit, it's less about the fallacy of 'an unelected bunch of people making rules up for us and stealing our sovereignty' moreso xenophobia (and in some cases racism) When you ask of how these unelected people are directly affecting their lives, there is silence and irrationality. Similarly if I ask fervent anti-Royalists how their existence affects their lives, there is no response. There is just irrational classism and jealousy.

You need to accept people are allowed an opinion that differs to yours.

This, coming from one of my more determined trolls

Several posters have given you ample reasons why the Royal family are an outdated institution but you just carry on like the fast track bully you are oblivious to how it makes you look.

Have they? All I have seen is 'well, because they are rich'. There is nothing to counter their existence and little further regarding a viable replacement as Head of State. And no historic context. It's a real 'Burn the Reichstag!' moment, with no context, precedent or remedy. It's plain human envy, wrapped up in inverted snobbery. 'We are lower than they and they are higher than me'. Really? What drives that approach? Or is it the unassuaged outpouring of support and adulation shown this notable, historic weekend just gone? How many Presidents have successfully done that then?

I'm off to bed now as I'm up early in the morning, as I am the rest of the week to pay the bills, mortgage, food, fuel, energy ya know, the things the Royals will never have to work for. We pay for theirs Pommpey, me and thee. Goodnight.

They can gladly have my £1.65.

pommpey

 

[CornwallBlade]

Describing it as a certain privilege has to be the understatement of the century. She is officially better than everyone she meets due to her title.

Many of us have "done our bit" and are left on the brink of poverty. Her duties are not the same as a normal job, and contribute little to society. Would anyone seriously argue that our money wouldn't be better spent on a load more doctors, nurses or teachers?

How many more Doctors do you think you’d get? My guess, less than a hundred a year by the time training and their costs plus associated share of overheads is accounted for. On the other hand, the Royal Family generate huge revenues for this Country, far in excess of their “cost”. However, trying to reduce the debate to a balance sheet exercise rather misses the point- you’re either a Royalist or Republican and the fiscal argument is never going to trump either position.

 

[pommpey]

It ended in 1807, well before Victoria was born, slaves were fully emancipated in 1838.

True. But it took that long to 'end' the trade and use of them

Elsewhere in the world however, it continues unabated.

pommpey

 

[Bladepicker]

Don't think much to these lookalikes.

 

[pommpey]

I feel neither unequal nor having a need to engage in forelock tugging to anybody. As for coming out with a cod mental health diagnosis to make an ad hominem attack, surely you're better than that pommpey.

It seems you have an inferiority complex. How do you address your boss, or the directors of your company? Do you 'tug your forelock'? Are they superior to you? Do they earn more on virtue of their experience and position? In a meeting, would you be flippant and jocular with them and talk in the same manner you would over a beer with your mates?

I've met Royalty. On first engagement, the address is 'Your Majesty/Your Highness' as applicable and 'Ma'am' and 'Sir' afterward. I call my superior officers 'Ma'am' and sir because they hold a position of responsibility and authority greater than mine (and are therefore paid better). People of a lower rank and responsibility to me call me 'Sir' on account of my position, experience and pay grade. I realise this would have you reaching for the vallium but it is simply symbolic. I don't see myself as personally superior to anyone. And I doubt the Royal Family do too.

pommpey

 

[Jon Bon II]

Don't think much to these lookalikes.

I should never have used the word 'Jubilee'.

 

[Jon Bon II]

How do you address your boss, or the directors of your company?

All by their first name. But I do address delivery drivers and people who have helped me or provided a service as 'sir', as in 'Thank you sir'. I think I'm being respectful but they probably think I'm being a twat.

 

[Middle Aged Blade]

I should never have used the word 'Jubilee'.

This thread took a whole new direction. I’m sure that wasn’t your intention. Maybe some humorous pictures of Blades lookielikies, but not this ……

 

[Jon Bon II]

This thread took a whole new direction. I’m sure that wasn’t your intention. Maybe some humorous pictures of Blades lookielikies, but not this ……

I feel like Victor Frankenstein. Oh the humanity.

 

[vegleeds]

It seems you have an inferiority complex.

Not possible when I read the rhubarb you keep dishing up. Would be funny if it wasn't so sad. Anyway back to the 'tugging' for you.

 

[Cheesebored]

Yes you did. So just to clarify ... you're not poor? Have the Royal Family made you poor? Just how far would that quid-odd it costs you to 'keep' them stretch in your weekly budget?



Because when you examine people's motives in belief, they aren't quite what they seem. In the case of Brexit, it's less about the fallacy of 'an unelected bunch of people making rules up for us and stealing our sovereignty' moreso xenophobia (and in some cases racism) When you ask of how these unelected people are directly affecting their lives, there is silence and irrationality. Similarly if I ask fervent anti-Royalists how their existence affects their lives, there is no response. There is just irrational classism and jealousy.



This, coming from one of my more determined trolls



Have they? All I have seen is 'well, because they are rich'. There is nothing to counter their existence and little further regarding a viable replacement as Head of State. And no historic context. It's a real 'Burn the Reichstag!' moment, with no context, precedent or remedy. It's plain human envy, wrapped up in inverted snobbery. 'We are lower than they and they are higher than me'. Really? What drives that approach? Or is it the unassuaged outpouring of support and adulation shown this notable, historic weekend just gone? How many Presidents have successfully done that then?



They can gladly have my £1.65.

pommpey

Morning. Just a quick reply before I leave for work. If you think I'm trolling you're flattering yourself. As usual your post is full of bluster and self righteous opinion, stated as fact. When picked up on your views you often choose to ignore replies, especially when you're on the back foot. Am I poor? Obviously this depends on what you're measuring it against. The Queen appears to be a nice old gal, she's never wronged me personally but that doesn't mean the Royal family is still warranted, hangers on and all. Keep throwing out the buzzwords though. Loyalty, jealousy, duty, none of which make it right. Its been drilled in to you for so long by your 'superiors' you can no longer question it. At £1.65 it's still poor value for money.

 

[IdLiketoRogerMoore]

Morning. Just a quick reply before I leave for work. If you think I'm trolling you're flattering yourself. As usual your post is full of bluster and self righteous opinion, stated as fact. When picked up on your views you often choose to ignore replies, especially when you're on the back foot. Am I poor? Obviously this depends on what you're measuring it against. The Queen appears to be a nice old gal, she's never wronged me personally but that doesn't mean the Royal family is still warranted, hangers on and all. Keep throwing out the buzzwords though. Loyalty, jealousy, duty, none of which make it right. Its been drilled in to you for so long by your 'superiors' you can no longer question it. At £1.65 it's still poor value for money.

For all the guff and bluster not one 'Royal Defender' has offered any kind of repost for the Queen helping her paedo son payoff one of his victims...

They're happy to bore us into submission with constitutional arguments about political systems, and weak alternatives - but in any civilised society, if your head of state is bailing her son out for a crime such as that, surely anyone with a modicum of intelligence would be calling foul...

I'd score you a 3/10 on this one Pompey. Bit like one of your Norwood reviews - flashy pinging passes but no actual substance to the flashiness...

 

[pommpey]

All by their first name. But I do address delivery drivers and people who have helped me or provided a service as 'sir', as in 'Thank you sir'. I think I'm being respectful but they probably think I'm being a twat.

But they still have authority over you, yeah? First names or not.

So, in effect, they are 'higher status people'

pommpey

 

[pommpey]

Morning. Just a quick reply before I leave for work. If you think I'm trolling you're flattering yourself. As usual your post is full of bluster and self righteous opinion, stated as fact. When picked up on your views you often choose to ignore replies, especially when you're on the back foot. Am I poor? Obviously this depends on what you're measuring it against. The Queen appears to be a nice old gal, she's never wronged me personally but that doesn't mean the Royal family is still warranted, hangers on and all. Keep throwing out the buzzwords though. Loyalty, jealousy, duty, none of which make it right. Its been drilled in to you for so long by your 'superiors' you can no longer question it. At £1.65 it's still poor value for money.

Yeah, good luck slaving at the coalface. I'd vouch your toils and strife are rewarded scantly and your overlords drive off in Bentleys laughing at the raw profit you make which finds its way somehow into the hands of the beknighted and privileged in some grim, Tresseleque vignette of class struggle. Nice of you to admit, at last that Brenda is a benign entity in your life though even if buzzwords cannot bring your thrashed soul to square that in this free democracy she heads, not only can you call her a cunt, you can completely void your life of her save for her face on banknotes and stamps (both of which are becoming ever more irrelevant in use anyway)

And no. No member of the AF has indoctrination and 'drill' on this stuff. We pull the flag up in the morning (which has the UK national flag in it's top corner and we wear her crown (as opposed to the King's crown) in our badges of rank where applicable. Our officers serve under her Commission and I personally serve under a government issued Warrant issued by the Secretary of State for Defence, himself at the time a risible bastard called Geoff Hoon. Sorry to pop your misinformed perception of who we are, but I'm sure you'll agree you'll be glad us obedient serfs are there to step in when your fire service is on strike, when BSE infected cattle need burning and burying, when the NHS needs propping up in times of national crisis, somewhere there are families who need rescuing from floods or a grey war canoe is needed off the shore of a recently hurricane-battered island in a place you don't care much about. Because you'll not do it, will you?

pommpey

 

[pommpey]

For all the guff and bluster not one 'Royal Defender' has offered any kind of repost for the Queen helping her paedo son payoff one of his victims...

They're happy to bore us into submission with constitutional arguments about political systems, and weak alternatives - but in any civilised society, if your head of state is bailing her son out for a crime such as that, surely anyone with a modicum of intelligence would be calling foul...

I'd score you a 3/10 on this one Pompey. Bit like one of your Norwood reviews - flashy pinging passes but no actual substance to the flashiness...

You actually have proof she did though?

Financial transactions and evidence?

I mean the argument is 'should we scrap them or not' and you are offering 'yeah, because everyone says she squared Andrew's settlement'. What, exactly, was the whole mechanism and involvement of Brenda in doing that? You seem to know, so I'm asking. Note - I'm not defending Andrew. He's a vile, opportunist lothario who hung about with equally shitheaded bastards who trafficked young girls for the pleasure of rich men. And - get this - there's evidence of that and he should face that forever.

But the assumption 'mummy bailed him out' is a bit short of real detail. And before you reach for 'the papers', even they 'suggest' he is hard up and she 'may' step in to pay it. There's no proof. Only speculation.

So, if you know any different, let's see it. As a counter, I suggest that we sold Jamie Murphy to pay for the Desso. It's very possibly wrong and I have no proof, but it sounds good, doesn't it?

pommpey

 

[pommpey]

Not possible when I read the rhubarb you keep dishing up. Would be funny if it wasn't so sad. Anyway back to the 'tugging' for you.

Cool story, bro.

pommpey

 

[Rodders]

I should never have used the word 'Jubilee'.

It’s now “Jubes” as in “Platty Jubes”

 

[blade67]

Monarchy-haters are allus a bit shallow on viable alternatives. You know. Constitutional realignment. Share of power. Executive. Judicial and Presidential privilege and what the executive orders might comprise if needed. Armed Forces structure, Policing, Bill of Rights, upper and lower house and the process of legislature, She's involved in much, if not all of that directly or indirectly. I'd rather her cutting ribbons than some superannuated ex-head of Nissan UK to be honest. At least we know where she came from and her family have human error writ large all over them, regardless of the opulence and regality.

I mean, withdrawing from a fucking horrendous and hateful at times economic bloc has crippled this country, let alone sacking the current head of state for no particular reason but inverted class snobbery and flamethowering a millennia of societal and historic precedent would just be 'oven-ready', wouldn't it?

pommpey

Calls for an elected head of state who could carry out all those roles either permanently or temporarily aren't just inverted snobbery though (although I'd accept that this is where many are coming from).

I'm personally deeply uncomfortable that this important role in the UK political landscape is appointed purely based on an accident of birth. I think we've been incredibly lucky for 80 odd years with both George and Lizzy but I'm uncomfortable with Charles and his appetitie for getting involved and pushing his own polictical agenda. Very soon he might be meeting the Prime Minister every week that makes me even more uncomfortable.

In truth, the UK head of state role is extremely complex in 21st century britain and it should be held by someone who actually wants to do it and is capable. Not sure the Windsor's are the right folk anymore.

 

[IdLiketoRogerMoore]

You actually have proof she did though?

Financial transactions and evidence?

I mean the argument is 'should we scrap them or not' and you are offering 'yeah, because everyone says she squared Andrew's settlement'. What, exactly, was the whole mechanism and involvement of Brenda in doing that? You seem to know, so I'm asking. Note - I'm not defending Andrew. He's a vile, opportunist lothario who hung about with equally shitheaded bastards who trafficked young girls for the pleasure of rich men. And - get this - there's evidence of that and he should face that forever.

But the assumption 'mummy bailed him out' is a bit short of real detail. And before you reach for 'the papers', even they 'suggest' he is hard up and she 'may' step in to pay it. There's no proof. Only speculation.

So, if you know any different, let's see it. As a counter, I suggest that we sold Jamie Murphy to pay for the Desso. It's very possibly wrong and I have no proof, but it sounds good, doesn't it?

pommpey

That's the defence? You want to see financial records otherwise The Royal Family are in the clear? Stick fingers in the ears and to quote the previous poster - keeping tugging that forlock...

The nuance of the argument was/is that in 2022 The Royal Family is an archaic concept that is outdated and not fit for purpose.

Sweatynonce Gate epitomizes that perfectly...

 

[Bashamed]

But the assumption 'mummy bailed him out' is a bit short of real detail. And before you reach for 'the papers', even they 'suggest' he is hard up and she 'may' step in to pay it. There's no proof. Only speculation.

Ye because she's the fucking queen so she can make sure nobody ever knows. Then people like you argue its fine because....she's the queen show some respect. Just ignore the fact she's literally covering up her son being being a paedophile. Which she obviously couldn't possibly have been unaware of for a long time.

It's plain human envy, wrapped up in inverted snobbery. 'We are lower than they and they are higher than me'. Really? What drives that approach?

Human envy. Wow. Maybe it's by just he's not been blinded by so were pathetic patriotic nonsense into thinking some revolting family are superior to him? Unlike you. Maybe it's that you are literally to address them as your highness that gives the impression they might think they're better than us. You have such a weird, subservient state of mind on this.

I don't see myself as personally superior to anyone. And I doubt the Royal Family do too.

The Royal Family don't see themselves as superior to the common man? Astonishing

 

[Bashamed]

That's the defence? You want to see financial records otherwise The Royal Family are in the clear?

Come on mate she's the queen. The most glorious and honourable human to ever grace this earth. I'm sure there's nothing in any of this. Now kiss the ring

 

[Bl4desutd]

Come on mate she's the queen. The most glorious and honourable human to ever grace this earth. I'm sure there's nothing in any of this. Now kiss the ring

Wow…………..I don’t go on twitter, Facebook, etc etc because of all the bollox that is spouted. Looks like I’m going to have to give this forum a kick into touch after reading utter bollox for page after page after page. It’s a shame really

 

[pommpey]

Ye because she's the fucking queen so she can make sure nobody ever knows. Then people like you argue its fine because....she's the queen show some respect. Just ignore the fact she's literally covering up her son being being a paedophile. Which she obviously couldn't possibly have been unaware of for a long time.

And you have evidence of this? Outside of pure speculation and classist hatred.

I reckon Hecky is a criminal fraudster and head of a massive drugs cartel. My mate told me this in the pub. I don't have any evidence, but I don't like him so the story sticks.

Human envy. Wow. Maybe it's by just he's not been blinded by so were pathetic patriotic nonsense into thinking some revolting family are superior to him? Unlike you. Maybe it's that you are literally to address them as your highness that gives the impression they might think they're better than us. You have such a weird, subservient state of mind on this.

I don't think they are superior to me. In their role, yes, personally, no. Is your boss superior to you in work? Are you allowed to be ambivalent to their role and disrespectful to them in work? Would HR tolerate that?

The Royal Family don't see themselves as superior to the common man? Astonishing

Describe 'the common man'. Is that 'everyone outside the Royal Family'? What about Lady Zara Philips? What about Eugenie Ferguson? Edward's kids? The Duke of Kent's family? Tell me. Given their privilege, do you think they look down on 'the common man' any more than say, the plutocrats who reside in some of the more leafy areas of our capital, or even Sheffield in fact? Where exactly do you draw the line and at what measure of 'seeing yourself superior'?

Seems to me you have a fairly poor understanding of even the basics of social science here and some fucked up model going on in your head based on an almost Dickensian backdrop.

pommpey

 

[pommpey]

That's the defence? You want to see financial records otherwise The Royal Family are in the clear? Stick fingers in the ears and to quote the previous poster - keeping tugging that forlock...

Well, yeah. You're saying 'she paid it off' and I'm saying 'prove it'. It's not a difficult concept and I can see that because I have challenged that (not if Andrew is a vile, cunt-eyed opportunist kidfucker) you are fresh out of ideas.

Okay. I think Billy Sharp is owned by Tesco in some Tevez like deal. And we are about to be hit by a fine and sanctions which would drop us unto the Conference. I read it online. The article was filled with 'possiblys' and 'could bes' but fuck it ... it sounds good and like Fallowfield, I don't like Billy Sharp anyway so it must be true. And I've heard he's been in the closet twenty years. I have no evidence of this but it sounds great.

Unless you have proof Brenda paid his settlement your allegations are bollocks, based on what you want to happen to further your cause. Don't get mad at people who challenge you on that. The burden of proof is on you.

pommpey

 

[pommpey]

I'm personally deeply uncomfortable that this important role in the UK political landscape is appointed purely based on an accident of birth. I think we've been incredibly lucky for 80 odd years with both George and Lizzy but I'm uncomfortable with Charles and his appetitie for getting involved and pushing his own polictical agenda. Very soon he might be meeting the Prime Minister every week that makes me even more uncomfortable

Really? You're not happy with someone like Charles (or 'George', as he is likely to be dubbed) to front up with a fat, priapic, lying cunt like Boris Johnson to ask him what the fuck is going on?

Without Johnson facing the monarch every week, who else is there to question his motives?

And don't say Keir Starmer, for fuck's sake.

pommpey

 

[Alan Birchenall's hair]

Boris has bigger tits than Liz, so I reckon that gives him greater substance as Head of State. Anyone who disagrees must be a leg man.....

 

[Rochdaleblade]

Surely we can replace the Queen with Rumbelows employee of the month.

 

[pommpey]

Surely we can replace the Queen with Rumbelows employee of the month.

If we opt for a Presidential HoS that is more likely.

Let's face it. A game show host, with a litany of hooky business transactions and dubious sexual peccadilloes ended up as President of the most powerful nation on the planet. That went well, didn't it?

President Cowell, anyone?

pommpey

 

[Chingo]

That's the defence? You want to see financial records otherwise The Royal Family are in the clear? Stick fingers in the ears and to quote the previous poster - keeping tugging that forlock...

The nuance of the argument was/is that in 2022 The Royal Family is an archaic concept that is outdated and not fit for purpose.

Sweatynonce Gate epitomizes that perfectly...

Yeah last weekend proved that
They have never been as popular!