Time to smell the coffee and stop kidding yourself that united will go up.

[JJ Sefton]

Interstingly, Thatcher was born the year United last won something.

Id quibble with 'Interestingly'

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We may not have won a major trophy since 1924, but we have won quite a few promotions in that time; nine by my reckoning, including a second and a fourth division championship. So I would say based on the facts of our record with regard to promotions, there aren't any real grounds for pessimism.

Its been done on here before about how, for our size, we are MASSIVE underachievers. Id say pessimism is thoroughly warranted when watching United.

 

[oldblade]

Interstingly, Thatcher was born the year United last won something. Maybe in some kind of bizzare gypsies' curse type thing we have to wait for her to die to win something again (she will probably now live to 120).

I believe that in 2006 we won a little silver tray for being promoted in second place. That would make her about 6 years old!!

 

[JJ Sefton]

I believe that in 2006 we won a little silver tray for being promoted in second place. That would make her about 6 years old!!

That cant count!

 

[Selly]

Its been done on here before about how, for our size, we are MASSIVE underachievers. Id say pessimism is thoroughly warranted when watching United.

Its not the fact that we never win anything, or the fact that we end up relegated, its the fact that we seem to be a complete prick tease of a club, dangling sucess (PO finals, cup semi finals, escapes from relegation) in front of our fans, making it look like we might do it before cocking it up right at the end.

Last season was actually a releif. To be relegated with games to spare was quite a new experience for me...with any luck we'll continue this strange new way of Uniteds and get promoted on teh last day of the season, or through the play-offs - I won't hold my breath though...

 

[oldblade]

Id quibble with 'Interestingly'

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Its been done on here before about how, for our size, we are MASSIVE underachievers. Id say pessimism is thoroughly warranted when watching United.

In terms of winning major silverware since the war, yes. But there is a lot of mythology about concerning our record when in the running for promotion at a late stage of the season. We do not often blow up in that situation, so our record says pessimism as far as automatic promotions go is entirely unwarranted. That's not to say we will go up this year. We might not. But pessimism based on our previous record is way, way off the mark.

 

[Darren]

We may not have won a major trophy since 1924, but we have won quite a few promotions in that time; nine by my reckoning, including a second and a fourth division championship. So I would say based on the facts of our record with regard to promotions, there aren't any real grounds for pessimism.

1925

We have also won:

The County Cup (numerous times)
The Yorkshire and Humerside Cup (1988)
The League North (1946)

Joking aside, there is a good argument for saying that the League North triumph was our last major honour. The war with Germany ended in May 1945, but the war with Japan was carrying on, so football came part way towards normality in the summer of 1945, when the mish-mash of regional leagues was rationilized into League North and League South of 22 teams each - those being the pre war Division 1 and 2 teams regionalised on a north-south basis in order to minimize travelling costs and save fuel. United won the northern version and Birmingham the southern. There was no play off to work out a national champion (though I can't see why there should not have been as the Japanese war was long over by the summer of 46 and, though there were still fuel shortages, the game could have been played on a neutral ground in somewhere like Derby), but I still think we can say we were joing league champions in 1945-46.

 

[JJ Sefton]

1925

We have also won:

The County Cup (numerous times)
The Yorkshire and Humerside Cup (1988)
The League North (1946)

Joking aside, there is a good argument for saying that the League North triumph was our last major honour. The war with Germany ended in May 1945, but the war with Japan was carrying on, so football came part way towards normality in the summer of 1945, when the mish-mash of regional leagues was rationilized into League North and League South of 22 teams each - those being the pre war Division 1 and 2 teams regionalised on a north-south basis in order to minimize travelling costs and save fuel. United won the northern version and Birmingham the southern. There was no play off to work out a national champion (though I can't see why there should not have been as the Japanese war was long over by the summer of 46 and, though there were still fuel shortages, the game could have been played on a neutral ground in somewhere like Derby), but I still think we can say we were joing league champions in 1945-46.

That'll do for me.

 

[Kenilworth]

1925

We have also won:

The League North (1946)
in the summer of 1945, when the mish-mash of regional leagues was rationilized into League North and League South of 22 teams each - those being the pre war Division 1 and 2 teams regionalised on a north-south basis in order to minimize travelling costs and save fuel. United won the northern version and Birmingham the southern. There was no play off to work out a national champion

And we all know how many we would have scored if there was a play off final.

 

[sitwell]

Trouble is when we do win something what the fuck will you lot have to mump about ?

 

[JohnDenver]

Trouble is when we do win something what the fuck will you lot have to mump about ?

The weeds growing around our gravestones?

 

[PeterNdlovu081]

I hate the smell of coffee.

 

[mekkyblade]

The thing is though most of it is realism. United mess it up time after time. You can see what is going to happen. All this 'we are second we still have in our hands' will probably be replaced by 'we are only 5 points behind and there is still 7 games to go We would still do it' or words to that affect. I am all for optimism but surely even the most ardent Blade realises at the crucial time our performances have gone to pot as has our results? Maybe it will turn around but at the moment I dont see anythng to suggest this group of players has enough to win say 6 or 7 of the last 9 games.
Absolutely spot on word for word pal.
My belief in that this team is capable of going up is not there partly based on it is United and we always seem to blow it but is mostly based on the complete lack of spine of most of the team as evidence last season and now this year.

It was not necessarily about the result for me yesterday although that was not great; it is the fact that the effort for me and will to win was not there. In the last 3 home games we have seen teams come here and have a real go and as a result get results (or nearly in case of Scunthorpe). Teams have sadly realised we are not that good and if they have a go at us they can score and get results at the Lane.

As an aside all this 'would not want you in the trenches' is utter rubbish. This is a forum - how is fans coming on and putting views going to affect the players or what we do? I got behind the team yesterday and felt for the most part the crowd was supportive; Kop sang well for long periods. As others have said I certainly dont think the fans were massively negative at the game yesterday.

If fans want to come on here and vent frustrations or say what they think - then that is fine whether they are positive or negative. If fans want to come on and say they think we will go up and we will turn it around then that is fine but those who dont think that will happen dont deserve to be lambasted for expressing opinions?

I personally have paid good money for the last few years and seen the likes of Simonsen, Doyle, Collins, Quinn, Williamson, Cresswell etc get very good wages and they have contributed massivelt to getting the club relgated (along with some poor managers granted) and now once again are threatening to throw it away again but all are still pikcing up ver good money (fair bet we still have boggest wage bill in the division). If I want to analyse the faults on a message board unsure how that makes somone less of a fan or somone who does not want them to do well?

absolutely spot on fella

 

[moDtheGod]

This thread is utterly ridiculous.

 

[Rodley]

sleeper cells mate, owls talk is crawling with blades in disguise. This Thread smells like Beres Pork Shop.

 

[raul]

Good spot Rodley. I mean, who the fuck is this Deadbat for one ?

 

[Ollessendro]

Can't understand all tghis fuss really. The Pigs were in a better position than us at the start of Feb. they had a blip and we did well. We've now had a blip and they look good. We are stuttering, but it would be ridiculous to expect Wednesday to win every game. United have got their player of the season back (Collins) asfter a few games out and the previous in form player (and one of the catalysts for our excellent form before) is due back soon. We're actually level on points with the Pigs and still 2nd. This may change this week, but to write us off is ridiculous.

There will be more twists and turns before the end. I still believe it will go down to the wire. I am disappointed and frustrated we chucked away a golden opportunity, but would have snatched your hand off f you'd said we'll be 2nd in March. United always seem to let us down, but I am sure that Deadbat, mp jacko etc were doomongering when Leeds were one win behind us in 2006. I am nervous, upset, worried and frustrated at our current form and the fact that the Pigs have momentum. But I don not think that because we have most major games in the last 20 years, that we will fall short this year. We may do and it will be painful. However we're still in with a massive chance. It is up to Wilson and the players to put this bad run behind them and push on. Wednesday will have a blip before the end of the season and we need to be there to take advantage of it.

 

[Highbury_Blade]

Wasn't expecting that from you olle!

It's going to be a very tense and thrilling ride to the finish line, and it will almost certainly go down to the last couple of games. I need to get my work done ASAP as i intend to be at exeter to watch the blades clinch that second spot!

 

[Ollessendro]

People are forgetting that Wednesday are not that good. Jones has clearly given them a lift, but they've not been great this season. There goal difference is not great (a good sign of overall form) and they have often struggled against poor teams. They are unlikely to carry on this form for all of the 9 games. All of their away games look tough and we've yet to see how they handle the pressure (i.e. if they get their noses in front).

 

[super_pig]

plus they play before us on most weekends.. they have to come up with the goods.. it is easier to chase as the pressure isn't on.. now that they've caught up, i'll be interested to see how they get on

 

[Revolution]

it is easier to chase as the pressure isn't on

So if we are (God forbid) 6 points adrift after Saturday there's no pressure on us before the Chesterfield game? That'll be a relief!

 

[super_pig]

you're kind of assuming they'll get the points though..

 

[davidpinder]

People are forgetting that Wednesday are not that good. Jones has clearly given them a lift, but they've not been great this season. There goal difference is not great (a good sign of overall form) and they have often struggled against poor teams. They are unlikely to carry on this form for all of the 9 games. All of their away games look tough and we've yet to see how they handle the pressure (i.e. if they get their noses in front).

Optimism is always good and pessimism adds to a healthy debate. Not being an expert on the piggy i can't help but notice they don't seem to be struggling to beat poor sides over the last few weeks not to mention turning over the leagues form team away. I think the next 8 days will be crucial if we go into next wednesdays game 6 points behind wendy i honestly can't see a way back for us, i hope i am wrong but i bubble seems to have well and truly burst only 6 weeks ago the way we were playing we would have turned teams like Tranmere at home over 3 nil but we are now stumbling against these side now. Tonight is massive for us and will show you if we are up for the challenge, do what the piggys did and we are still in the driving seat, lose and heads will be down.

 

[j j]

Nice analysis Ollessendro. Hopefully all on here hope United go up and are nervous they might not. That's football. It's exciting not to know what will happen. The +ve and -ve stereotypes do not apply to all of us. We are 2nd and it's Spring already. Time for the best bit of the season.

 

[Revolution]

you're kind of assuming they'll get the points though..

And you're assuming they won't.

Of course, no one knows, so you can't say whether there will be pressure on us or not.

 

[super_pig]

>And you're assuming they won't.
well yeah.. that's cos i'm a fan.. blindly deluded and all that

 

[Revolution]

well yeah.. that's cos i'm a fan.. blindly deluded and all that

You can be a United fan and still not think Wednesday will lose every match, hard though it may be for some people posting in this thread to grasp.

 

[Selly]

you're kind of assuming they'll get the points though..

And you're assuming they won't.

Of course, no one knows, so you can't say whether there will be pressure on us or not.

I have already entered full on pessimism mode, and when I look at the table, I have already metally prepared myself for us bing 3 points behind by COB today.

I have also accepted that we will, most likely, be 6 points behind by this time next week (albeit with a game in hand).

Therefore any points that we gain/they lose in the next week, will be a nice surprise...

...its the hope that hurts the most when they let you down. Expect nothing and be pleasently surprised...

 

[oldblade]

Optimism is always good and pessimism adds to a healthy debate. Not being an expert on the piggy i can't help but notice they don't seem to be struggling to beat poor sides over the last few weeks n

They did draw at Rochdale.

 

[Balham]

They did draw at Rochdale.

And that by virtue of Rochdale hitting the post with a penalty. Still, don't let the facts get in the way...

UTB

 

[super_pig]

well yeah.. that's cos i'm a fan.. blindly deluded and all that

You can be a United fan and still not think Wednesday will lose every match, hard though it may be for some people posting in this thread to grasp.

now you are putting words in my mouth .. i didn't say they would lose every match.. if you are so pissed off with it why bother?