Time to smell the coffee and stop kidding yourself that united will go up.

All advertisments are hidden for logged in members, why not log in/register?

If fans want to come on here and vent frustrations or say what they think - then that is fine whether they are positive or negative. If fans want to come on and say they think we will go up and we will turn it around then that is fine but those who dont think that will happen dont deserve to be lambasted for expressing opinions?

My opinion is that a few on here come across as gutless, because they have pretty much said we should throw in the towel now. Why are you lambasting me for expressing that opinion?

On to the subject matter - no spine? I dont get it. We've had an axcellent spine this season. We lost our momentum when the spine that has developed was disrupted. Clealry McDonald is a big loss. His return gives me hope, I'm suprised it doesn't give it to you.

If you said lack of strength is depth had cost us, I'd agree. Even no real width. But no spine? A think you're referring to many on S24SU.. :)

UTB
 

Lets all pretend were in the PL and that KM never makes any mistakes. But the fact I live in the real world means that were in league 1, lost 3 easy games against teams bottom of the league, hardly beaten any of the top six teams and even there are 9 game to go, no one knows where the next win is going to come from.

If we can't beat the likes of Oldham, Tranmere and Walsall, how on earth are we going to beat Chesterfield, Rochdale and Exeter. We ain't going to beat Notts county, MK Dons and Stevenage on current form which leaves Hartlepool, Bournemouth Leyton Orient who have nothing to play for to get our wins.

I think the most depressing thing at the moment which is why I give all this negativity is the position united were in a month ago. As many point out, we were 8 point clear but now we are only in 2nd due to goal difference. We have lost our aurora from being a big side in league 1. Teams were scared of playing us but this is no longer the case. Just think were we could of been had we won those easy games, challenging for 1st position.

The thing is though most of it is realism. United mess it up time after time. You can see what is going to happen. All this 'we are second we still have in our hands' will probably be replaced by 'we are only 5 points behind and there is still 7 games to go We would still do it' or words to that affect. I am all for optimism but surely even the most ardent Blade realises at the crucial time our performances have gone to pot as has our results? Maybe it will turn around but at the moment I dont see anythng to suggest this group of players has enough to win say 6 or 7 of the last 9 games.

My belief in that this team is capable of going up is not there partly based on it is United and we always seem to blow it but is mostly based on the complete lack of spine of most of the team as evidence last season and now this year.

It was not necessarily about the result for me yesterday although that was not great; it is the fact that the effort for me and will to win was not there. In the last 3 home games we have seen teams come here and have a real go and as a result get results (or nearly in case of Scunthorpe). Teams have sadly realised we are not that good and if they have a go at us they can score and get results at the Lane.

As an aside all this 'would not want you in the trenches' is utter rubbish. This is a forum - how is fans coming on and putting views going to affect the players or what we do? I got behind the team yesterday and felt for the most part the crowd was supportive; Kop sang well for long periods. As others have said I certainly dont think the fans were massively negative at the game yesterday.

If fans want to come on here and vent frustrations or say what they think - then that is fine whether they are positive or negative. If fans want to come on and say they think we will go up and we will turn it around then that is fine but those who dont think that will happen dont deserve to be lambasted for expressing opinions?

I personally have paid good money for the last few years and seen the likes of Simonsen, Doyle, Collins, Quinn, Williamson, Cresswell etc get very good wages and they have contributed massivelt to getting the club relgated (along with some poor managers granted) and now once again are threatening to throw it away again but all are still pikcing up ver good money (fair bet we still have boggest wage bill in the division). If I want to analyse the faults on a message board unsure how that makes somone less of a fan or somone who does not want them to do well?
2 great posts.
 
"no one knows where the next win is going to come from."

Aye, that's a cracker.
 
As an aside all this 'would not want you in the trenches' is utter rubbish. This is a forum - how is fans coming on and putting views going to affect the players or what we do? I got behind the team yesterday and felt for the most part the crowd was supportive; Kop sang well for long periods. As others have said I certainly dont think the fans were massively negative at the game yesterday.

Well no, it isn't really "utter rubbish" is it? it's an opinion.

My entire point is, that I wouldn't like to be in a difficult situation having to rely on the support of others who see our current position a lost cause. It's still entirely in our hands, second position is ours to lose.

We are currently 2nd in the division on merit, having arguably "thrown away" a number of points by not quite stamping our authority or closing out games.

In the eyes of many, this means that the season has already ended in failure. Fair enough, they are more than entitled to hold that opinion and express it, I just don't happen to agree with it or think it productive.

I don't think the crowd was overly negative yesterday, albeit the usual Bramall Lane nervous expectancy of failure an impatience was there in places.

I also don't recall lambasting anyone, it certainly wasn't me calling someone's opinion "utter rubbish". Nor have I ever in the slightest suggested that anyone shouldn't express their opinion, either positive or negative, in fact, quite the opposite... I pay to give them that pleasure.

I'm not entirely sure who suggested anyone was less of a fan either. But never mind...

Let's get back to the "realist" and "clapper" camps that are so productive!
 
Clicked on this thread expecting everyone to be telling the attention seeking troll to shut up but no 2 pages of support. It is just amazing how quick some are to take pleasure in Utds blip. 1 game since our last win it is hard to see where the next one is coming from! What a pathetic thing to say. How have Utd ever been promoted if we screw it up every time???
Suddenly DW is a pig again? What are you 5 years old?
 
My opinion is that a few on here come across as gutless, because they have pretty much said we should throw in the towel now. Why are you lambasting me for expressing that opinion?

On to the subject matter - no spine? I dont get it. We've had an axcellent spine this season. We lost our momentum when the spine that has developed was disrupted. Clealry McDonald is a big loss. His return gives me hope, I'm suprised it doesn't give it to you.

If you said lack of strength is depth had cost us, I'd agree. Even no real width. But no spine? A think you're referring to many on S24SU.. :)


UTB

I actually meant spine in the literal sense of players not having the fight/spine rather the spine of the team.

Sorry if it was a little confusing!

Not sure anyone has said lets throw in the towel but surely we have a right equally as you do to express opinions. Not sure how someone can be classed as gutless? Some people think we will go up. Some don't. Why are those that dont think we will go up 'gutless'. Just intesrested. Doesnt mean we dont support the club or want us to do well if we dont think we will go up?

Again not sure how a few opinions on here affects the team at all? As I say this is a message board.
 
Clicked on this thread expecting everyone to be telling the attention seeking troll to shut up but no 2 pages of support. It is just amazing how quick some are to take pleasure in Utds blip. 1 game since our last win it is hard to see where the next one is coming from! What a pathetic thing to say. How have Utd ever been promoted if we screw it up every time???
Suddenly DW is a pig again? What are you 5 years old?

I can't be arsed to count, I'd thik those with a hint of realism outnumber those who've thrown the towel in on here.

UTB

---------- Post added at 02:45 PM ---------- Previous post was at 02:42 PM ----------

I actually meant spine in the literal sense of players not having the fight/spine rather the spine of the team.

Sorry if it was a little confusing!

Not sure anyone has said lets throw in the towel but surely we have a right equally as you do to express opinions. Not sure how someone can be classed as gutless? Some people think we will go up. Some don't. Why are those that dont think we will go up 'gutless'. Just intesrested. Doesnt mean we dont support the club or want us to do well if we dont think we will go up?

Again not sure how a few opinions on here affects the team at all? As I say this is a message board.

Well If I were a betting man I'd think Wendy will get Automatic and we'll fail in the play-offs. But whilst we're sat in second you wont find me writing;

"At least we can sack DW and get someone in who really wants the job", "no one can see where the next win is comig from" etc. If that's not complete crap, I don't know what is. We're in with a far better shout than any of us would have suspected at the start. And I'm certainly up for a "scrap".

The way it affects the team is that I'll put money on mpjacko and the like as making up the ranks of numpties desperate to get on the teams back from the stands at the first sign of a drop in form.

UTB
 
Well no, it isn't really "utter rubbish" is it? it's an opinion.

My entire point is, that I wouldn't like to be in a difficult situation having to rely on the support of others who see our current position a lost cause. It's still entirely in our hands, second position is ours to lose.

We are currently 2nd in the division on merit, having arguably "thrown away" a number of points by not quite stamping our authority or closing out games.

In the eyes of many, this means that the season has already ended in failure. Fair enough, they are more than entitled to hold that opinion and express it, I just don't happen to agree with it or think it productive.

I don't think the crowd was overly negative yesterday, albeit the usual Bramall Lane nervous expectancy of failure an impatience was there in places.

I also don't recall lambasting anyone, it certainly wasn't me calling someone's opinion "utter rubbish". Nor have I ever in the slightest suggested that anyone shouldn't express their opinion, either positive or negative, in fact, quite the opposite... I pay to give them that pleasure.

I'm not entirely sure who suggested anyone was less of a fan either. But never mind...

Let's get back to the "realist" and "clapper" camps that are so productive!

Utter rubbish is too strong maybes. Apologies . However, I fail to see how people writing on message boards expressing opinions is gooing to affect the team? Rather they do it here than on the terraces. Maybe fans should fans come on here and say 'Keep supporting the team, we can still go up!' Equally fans have a right to see the cracks in the side and how they feel things are slipping away.

Do you think we will go up then Foxy? Just intersted. A lot of people (like myself) get slammed for saying we dont think they will but not seen many say they think we will go up. Be interested to know what you really think about what may happen - of course we dont know - but what is your hunch?

Incidentally just wonderting whether it you who tweets the messages on twitter on games - as to listen to those you would think the referee is at fault every week for our dropping of points? The tweets yeterday suggested they should have had a player sent off and that the referee made a whole series of errors. Not sure I could see that.
 
Utter rubbish is too strong maybes. Apologies . However, I fail to see how people writing on message boards expressing opinions is gooing to affect the team? Rather they do it here than on the terraces. Maybe fans should fans come on here and say 'Keep supporting the team, we can still go up!' Equally fans have a right to see the cracks in the side and how they feel things are slipping away.

That's not actually what I was saying it would do is it? I merely said I wouldn't like to be in a difficult situation with other who throw the towel in so easily. Although I do happen to think the atmosphere amongst a section in the crowd will only add to the pressure over the coming weeks unless we jump straight back into the fantastic form we had.

Do you think we will go up then Foxy? Just intersted. A lot of people (like myself) get slammed for saying we dont think they will but not seen many say they think we will go up. Be interested to know what you really think about what may happen - of course we dont know - but what is your hunch?

Quite simply, in the current run of form, like you say I don't know. We are certainly capable of going up, but it all depends if Wilson can get the reaction he has in the past and spark us to come back strongly and ruthlessly. It's still well and truly within our hands, which is why I don't understand people throwing the towel in. As people are rightly pointing out, we risk blowing up and ending up in the playoffs without momentum, but until that happens, I'd rather get behind them and hope they can complete the job.

You can guarantee if roles were reversed, Wednesday fans would be discussing which one of the Sheffield teams would catch Charlton, rather than bombing into the playoffs.

Incidentally just wonderting whether it you who tweets the messages on twitter on games - as to listen to those you would think the referee is at fault every week for our dropping of points? The tweets yeterday suggested they should have had a player sent off and that the referee made a whole series of errors. Not sure I could see that.

The tweeting is a combination between myself and Linz. Yesterday, it was only me. I recall only mentioning the referee the odd time, more so early doors and I'd hazard a guess whilst we were in front.

I did think that Wallace was very lucky to get away with a yellow as it was a dangerous challenge, exactly the kind that ref's have been clamping down on in the last couple of seasons. I don't recall blaming the referee for the result once however, nor particularly laboring a point as regards his performance? Sure, he was incredibly inconsistent as ever and decided to give a very unique interpretation of the laws at times, but that's par for the course, that's every single week.

Other than a misunderstood tweet from the Oldham match, I'm not entirely sure when I've ever sounded like blaming the referee for a result.
 
At no point have I thrown in the towel and I dont think fans are saying that. We are still second. However we were in a superb position and have chucked it away. Surely that concerns even the optimistic fans?

However I do think we will blow it. that is my opinion.That is based on these set of players failing last season and when it has got to the crunch games doing the same this year.

The Wednesday analogy is an interesting one. They do tend to be more hopeful and postive than many United fans. Not sure why. Maybe they have won a few big games in my lifetime such as LEague Cup Fiinal and got into Europe (had quite a few top 5 finishes in 80's and early 90's nearly won the league). However they have done thing of note in recent times save one playoff final win at this level.

I probably disagree with you saying 'we are certainly capable of going up.' I have not seen enough of this team to suggest they can finish the job. It is within our hands I suppose but the reality is this time in a week we could very well be 5 points behind. The lack of desire and urgency by the players yesterday was frightening and they seem to completely lack belief. I am afraid that is not the fault of the fans who have been quite patient with this over paid set of players who clearly still think they are better than what they actually are. Will be interesting to see what happens to the likes of Quinn, Williamson, Simonsen, Cresswell etc when they do leave us as I can see them moving down the leagues rather than up them

Suppose we will see at the end of the season. I would take no pleasure in being proved right and hope we can suddenly find some form again and go on another winning streak and prove me and some wrong.
 
MPJacko has been trying to stir the shit for months now. A pig if ever I smelt one.

110% Blade. Quite offended that you think I'm a Pig

I've not been trying to stir anything. Just that people think United are better than they are and that nothing has changed (nothing much anyhow) since last season. Earlier in the season, I still think it is true, that United would be better of staying in this league, to reduce their wage bill further rather than spend next season fighting for survival and spending loads more cash on loans / players who we can afford in league 1 (when we come back down again) or will leave at the end of the season i.e wasted money.

We have a fantastic fan base which guarantees a fix amount of income each season and a chairman to throw a little bit of extra cash if required, yet we go into each season and transfer window with no money. Charlton has shown plus Southampton, Brighton etc that if you go down and get your club sorted i.e wages + playing staff, it will help in the long run in getting back to the championship / PL. It common sense really but with united, it won't happen like that. More mistakes will be made like they always do with KM. If he had run united like one of his business, I honestly think we wouldn't be in the situation we are now.
 
Fuck me we've had a slight wobble and the wrists are being slit.

Unbelievable.

Yes, I'll be the first one to say there was an alarming similarity which I noticed in the Colchester and Tranmere games, this being that after having relative control and a 1-0 lead in the first half, we were slow out of the blocks for the 2nd half and got caught napping, this is where our main problem lies IMO and we just need to show that extra urgency and kill a game off, we have more than enough in the locker to do it, just seems to possibly be a confidence issue.

Still, with 9 games to go, we're in 2nd place with Kmac (arguably our player of the season) still to return, let's stop being so fucking bleak about it and roar us on to promotion.

UTB
 
110% Blade. Quite offended that you think I'm a Pig

We have a fantastic fan base which guarantees a fix amount of income each season and a chairman to throw a little bit of extra cash if required, yet we go into each season and transfer window with no money. Charlton has shown plus Southampton, Brighton etc that if you go down and get your club sorted i.e wages + playing staff, it will help in the long run in getting back to the championship / PL. It common sense really but with united, it won't happen like that. More mistakes will be made like they always do with KM. If he had run united like one of his business, I honestly think we wouldn't be in the situation we are now.

I think your 100% right here in many ways. Problem is, all some people see is the pigs in 3rd and we MUST be above them. If you are in it for the long haul getting the foundations of the club right is fundamental to getting back up, not just to the Championship but to go further and into the Premiership. Look at all the clubs who are now above us who have had to take the hit of being down in League 1 or worse. Many in administration. They have rebuilt themselves from the bottom up, stripping out the wage structure and starting again.

I watched Swansea on MOTD Saturday night, what a joy to see. Players, many who I have never heard of passing teams off the park. There were no Premiership Journeymen in there, no overpaid bandits, just good footballers from what I could see. And a fantastic manager who isn't 40 yet. Brighton and Southampton are also good examples of how patience works wonders if the club is managed well from the top.

Your last sentence is the truest statement of all.
 

>Players, many who I have never heard of passing teams off the park
two of whom some pundits said weren't fit to wear our shirt..
i'll get slaughtered for this but i don't care.. our biggest liability is the fans, especially on the kop. when we went one up i think quinn misplaced a pass and it was 'ooh that's it naar.. thas' done it naar' and we were fucking winning.. it might work in our favour if the pigs go above us.. there is less pressure on the team chasing and all of the wrist slashers will be able to say 'wiv dun it naar' and bugger off for a bit while we fight on

edit: interesting comment about maccabe.. i wonder if he would have put five of his most underperforming employees on lucrative three year deals.. mind you if this place is anything to go by:rolleyes:
 
You have to remain optimistic whilst we're in the top 2 but our grip on that position has slipped and may well be gone come 9.45 tomorrow night. Worse still, with no game for us at the weekend, we could easily find ourselves 6 points behind come Satdi. The worrying thing is that we haven't really played well since the Charlton defeat and whilst you can blame the absence of Macca to a certain extent, the players out there should have been able to see off Oldham and Tranmere to name but two games and what difference those extra 5 points would have made.

Momentum is what it's all about at this stage of the season and we haven't got it.
 
Knocker - FACT.
 
You have to remain optimistic whilst we're in the top 2 but our grip on that position has slipped and may well be gone come 9.45 tomorrow night. Worse still, with no game for us at the weekend, we could easily find ourselves 6 points behind come Satdi. The worrying thing is that we haven't really played well since the Charlton defeat and whilst you can blame the absence of Macca to a certain extent, the players out there should have been able to see off Oldham and Tranmere to name but two games and what difference those extra 5 points would have made.

Momentum is what it's all about at this stage of the season and we haven't got it.

Finishing the job and I'm not sure the players have the grit and steel to go about it.

Macca might come back and it make no difference at all.

Its not over til its over but the wobble is in full effect at the moment.
 
We did get into 'realist' at one point, can't remember exactly what the opposite was classed as.

"Realist" was a very successful piece of spin, as what it meant was expecting the worse possible from any given situation. "Pathological pessimist" would have been more accurate.
 
"Realist" was a very successful piece of spin, as what it meant was expecting the worse possible from any given situation. "Pathological pessimist" would have been more accurate.

Although one could argue that for a club which hasnt won a major honour since the Workers Paradise of the Soviet Union was the way of the future, Hitler's Thousand Year Reich was but a gleam in a housepainters eye and a quarter of the globe was coloured Imperial Pink, pathological pessimism is entirely realistic.
 
"Realist" was a very successful piece of spin, as what it meant was expecting the worse possible from any given situation. "Pathological pessimist" would have been more accurate.

I think it was "Fleetwood Blade".....

Sharp as a tack :)

I seem to remember it was the optimists who became the realists as we/they were arguing based on facts and reality rather than doom and gloom but could be wrong.
 
Although one could argue that for a club which hasnt won a major honour since the Workers Paradise of the Soviet Union was the way of the future, Hitler's Thousand Year Reich was but a gleam in a housepainters eye and a quarter of the globe was coloured Imperial Pink, pathological pessimism is entirely realistic.

Interstingly, Thatcher was born the year United last won something. Maybe in some kind of bizzare gypsies' curse type thing we have to wait for her to die to win something again (she will probably now live to 120).
 

Although one could argue that for a club which hasnt won a major honour since the Workers Paradise of the Soviet Union was the way of the future, Hitler's Thousand Year Reich was but a gleam in a housepainters eye and a quarter of the globe was coloured Imperial Pink, pathological pessimism is entirely realistic.


We may not have won a major trophy since 1924, but we have won quite a few promotions in that time; nine by my reckoning, including a second and a fourth division championship. So I would say based on the facts of our record with regard to promotions, there aren't any real grounds for pessimism.
 

All advertisments are hidden for logged in members, why not log in/register?

All advertisments are hidden for logged in members, why not log in/register?

Back
Top Bottom