Time to show your worth Mr Birch

[Ollessendro]

Which, sadly, might be an offer you cant afford.

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Did he? Could you give us a little more info on that? Date etc

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Did we? Could we have a little more info on that? Date etc

So we took the cheap option then?

Yes he did. He came out on Radio Shef saying United were a big club, he would have to consider an offer etc. If he was happy at Donny and not interested he would have said 'I'm not interested' straight away. In fact he asn't said that at any point.

Yes, again Birch came out (on radio Shef* again) saying he wanted an experienced Championship manager and heavily hinted towards SOD.

As for dates etc, I haven't got time. You are the student.

* This is the radio station that is aired in South Yorkshire. You might not have heard of it (unless listening when at you cousins ..... or maybe your dad complained about it).

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And that's where people are having issues with the likes of yourself and lennie. Everything is supposition, rumour and counter rumour, some believe one thing, others, not surprisingly, side with the ones which show the board / club in a bad light.

So are you happy with the baord's decision??

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My 'insider' did tell me that SOD was on the very brink of becoming our new manager, so much so he lost a lot of money on it. He's not been told why it broke down but the rumours of wanting several staff to follow him could well have been the sticking point.

"I'm with Olle on this one. SOD was on RS a number of occasions and every time he had the chance to say he wasn't interested or state he wanted to stay at Donny"

It could be 'come and get me', or it was more likely a ''Let's have a chat and in that chat I'll ask if I can bring 4 coaches, 7 physios, my Dog, and Oh, I want 7 mill in transfer kitty and I want Kozluk to dress in a bear costume at all times''.

I imagine a lot of managers will listen to offers, but they're only going to leave a secure job for one that's better for them in every way.

These are just the type of crap answers you mugs are falling for. Oh Mickey is a Blade, SOD was not passionate enough, plus he wanted to bring his back room staff, ohhh he is expensive. It;'s truth that Blades fans will swallow any codswallop and even make it up to support their club.

I am not buying it. Wrong option, cheap option, 2nd best, same owd, not good enough (taking my ball home)

 

[lenners]

Obviously it was not SOD as we went for our first choice as you clearly state below. Seems your gripe was that SUFC were having us think that there was a selection procedure in place when they clearly wasn't. Don't let the what you said get in the way of having a go eh lenners.

My main issue is with the pretence we were taking ages over some alleged supersonice selection procedure when in reality we were doing what all clubs do - go to your first choice, try and get a deal and so on.

By the way of course MA will have no money to spend, what did you think was going to happen?

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Twice SOD went on RS and stated he was "not part of SUFC's selection process"

Ryan never said we had offically approached Donny to speak to SOD. All Ryan said was that he expected an approach and had told SOD he could speak to us when it happened.

Anyway we got our first choice man in MA. lenners says so.

OK, for the hard of thinking, let's spell this out.
SOD was the first choice, for whatever reason that broke down.
We then moved on to the next choice which was probably Adams.
I have not ever said Adams was the first choice, you'd have to be a sandwich short to believe that.
If anyone seriously believes that all the stories, interviews etc, etc about SOD were made because people - including the main actors involved - had nowt better to do, you must also be a sandwich short.
We didn't get our first choice - we may even have changed our minds/bottled it - and we got Adams instead.
We move on but we don't forget the board bullshitted to the nth degree on the appointment process and we keep on remembering that until the board gets its act together SUFC will continue to flounder.
The first element of that will be looking closely if any support for Adams becomes available in the next three weeks.

 

[TONYBLADE]

The bloke has only been in charge for two games.........give him a chance......!!!!!

 

[JJ Sefton]

* This is the radio station that is aired in South Yorkshire. You might not have heard of it (unless listening when at you cousins ..... or maybe your dad complained about it).

You are a sour little lemon when challenged arent you? Im well aware what goes on in Sheffield as it goes, I dont need some yokel from Rotherham to tell me.

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Yes he did. He came out on Radio Shef saying United were a big club, he would have to consider an offer etc. If he was happy at Donny and not interested he would have said 'I'm not interested' straight away. In fact he asn't said that at any point.

Do you have links to this being reported in the media at all?

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Yes, again Birch came out (on radio Shef* again) saying he wanted an experienced Championship manager and heavily hinted towards SOD.

What sort of hints?

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As for dates etc, I haven't got time. You are the student.

You are the one coming out with this stuff.

 

[shorehamview]

I'd like to see where Sheffield United, Trevor Birch or Kevin McCabe actually named O'Driscoll BY NAME as the person they wanted. Not hinted at, actually publicly named him. because if there isn't proof it's all speculation and assumptions.

Personally I wish a name or names had been put forth. I'd also like to know what exactly happened with regards to the selection process. Was O'Driscoll approached at all? If so, what did United, Donny and O'Droscoll himself say?

Because until this comes out all it means is that we get internet smart arses telling us all that their interpretation is the one that counts. And that's all it is, regardless of how many times you tell us all that your opinion is correct and that we are all your children, even though you're younger than us. Conjecture and assumption isn't the same as proof, no matter what trousers you dress it in.

 

[Ollessendro]

You are a sour little lemon when challenged arent you? Im well aware what goes on in Sheffield as it goes, I dont need some yokel from Rotherham to tell me.Do you have links to this being reported in the media at all?

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What sort of hints?

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You are the one coming out with this stuff.

Did your posh house in thriving North London have a sataleitte that received Radio Sheffield? You have the cheek to say I am a sour little lemon, yet you can't post without making some comment degrading about me growing up in Rotherham.

Google: next Blades manager, SOD Blades/Sheffield United, listen to Birch's interviews and SOD's on football heaven if you want media stuff. It's funny that every Blades fans seems to think that SOD was our number one choice, Birch made it clear, SOD was interested except you. It's quite clear you are just being pedantic over old sour grapes.

I'd like to see where Sheffield United, Trevor Birch or Kevin McCabe actually named O'Driscoll BY NAME as the person they wanted. Not hinted at, actually publicly named him. because if there isn't proof it's all speculation and assumptions.

Personally I wish a name or names had been put forth. I'd also like to know what exactly happened with regards to the selection process. Was O'Driscoll approached at all? If so, what did United, Donny and O'Droscoll himself say?

Because until this comes out all it means is that we get internet smart arses telling us all that their interpretation is the one that counts. And that's all it is, regardless of how many times you tell us all that your opinion is correct and that we are all your children, even though you're younger than us. Conjecture and assumption isn't the same as proof, no matter what trousers you dress it in.

Birch may have made some poor decisions, but he is not an idiot. Only a complete pillock would have said we want SOD. You would be setting yourself up for a massive fall.

SOD was on Seth's list of candidates and I'm pretty sure that came from the club. Birch played smoke and mirrors, but (with his usual politician style) got as near to say Sean O'Driscoll's name as you could ever get.

 

[Gingerblade]

It's funny that every Blades fans seems to think that SOD was our number one choice,

I didnt think he was 1st choice, but i also dont think Adams was 1st choice, what the hell does it matter?? I couldnt care less if i was right or wrong, we have Adams, and i will back him to the hilt!!

At the end of the day, NONE of us know the internal workings of a football club, all this gestering, and sniping about the fact the SOD didnt come is just another stick for the usual moaners to beat the club with.

 

[JJ Sefton]

Did your posh house in thriving North London have a sataleitte that received Radio Sheffield? You have the cheek to say I am a sour little lemon, yet you can't post without making some comment degrading about me growing up in Rotherham.

It was a three bed terrace in Enfield and no, we didnt have a "sataleitte" (sic) because digital radio hadnt been invented. Im not "degrading" you about growing up in Rotherham, Im just pointing out that if you are going to attack people for where theyre from then you should expect a bit back, even if you are a sensitive soul.

Check post 121 above, you brought it into this thread in response to some perfectly reasonable questions. You cant go pulling your usual trick of weeping and stamping your feet when someone does it back to you.

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Google: next Blades manager, SOD Blades/Sheffield United, listen to Birch's interviews and SOD's on football heaven if you want media stuff. It's funny that every Blades fans seems to think that SOD was our number one choice, Birch made it clear, SOD was interested except you. It's quite clear you are just being pedantic over old sour grapes.

"listen to Birch's interviews and SOD's on football heaven if you want media stuff"

What did they say? I listened to the interviews and cant say I drew the conclusions you have. If you can point me towards something I missed then go ahead.

"every Blades fans seems to think that SOD was our number one choice"

Do they?

"Birch made it clear"

Did he? And how does that square with this...

Only a complete pillock would have said we want SOD. You would be setting yourself up for a massive fall.

"SOD was interested"

Hang on, I thought it went beyond being "interested", I thought he had issued a come and get me plea. If he did Id like you to direct me to it.

 

[GRUMPY BLADE]

OK, for the hard of thinking, let's spell this out.
SOD was the first choice, for whatever reason that broke down.
We then moved on to the next choice which was probably Adams.
I have not ever said Adams was the first choice, you'd have to be a sandwich short to believe that.
If anyone seriously believes that all the stories, interviews etc, etc about SOD were made because people - including the main actors involved - had nowt better to do, you must also be a sandwich short.
We didn't get our first choice - we may even have changed our minds/bottled it - and we got Adams instead.
We move on but we don't forget the board bullshitted to the nth degree on the appointment process and we keep on remembering that until the board gets its act together SUFC will continue to flounder.
The first element of that will be looking closely if any support for Adams becomes available in the next three weeks.

1 We have offical approaches to Port Vale and Brentford, none to Doncaster so SOD was never first choice - fact or we would have made that approach.
2 We didn't get our first choice - we may even have changed our minds/bottled it - and we got Adams instead the board bullshitted to the nth degree on the appointment process Either we went through the process or we didn't? We obviously went through a process of getting a manger, how you describe it to suit your agenda is up to you but whether we changed our minds, bottled it, call it whatever you want, even if we made a call to SOD and sounded him out it was still a process. Just because the process didn't fit your agenda does not mean it wasn't a process.

Who knows that we didn't make a cheeky call to O'Neil and therefore we really didn't get our first choice?

Don't let the truth get in the way of having a go?

Elseware I've pointed out how the pieces of the jigsaw may fall into place. Your correct that the next three weeks will demonstrate how much support MA gets although it may be the end of Feb when the loan window closes before we get the full picture.

 

[SwissBlade]

Lets make no bones about it, when the poll was run on this site, SoD was the clear choice of thoses of us who voted on S24su.com. I'm not sure if thats much of an indicator for all Blades fans, but for arguments sake, on here SoD was first choice, hotly followed by Micky and then, oddly (In my opinion) Phil Brown.

So what do we know?

We know from the other clubs that permission to talk to SoD, Micky and Andy Scott was requested and granted by their clubs. And in Micky and SoD's case they were approached and talked to, there may have been others, like Carver and Bobby Davison, but this isn't clear.
We don't know if any other offers were made to anyone except for Micky and we don't know if compo was discussed at length, but we can assume that this was the first part of the permission to speak to their manager.
We know that we wanted a manager who could work with Pembo at the academy and bring players through into the first team.
We know that the club wanted to take its time and the did not expect a decision on a new manager until the new year.
We know that we needed a manager who could work with what we've got, keep the wage bill down and also work within a tight transfer budget. What we don't know is how tight this budget is. This could vary from Sell to buy upwards.
We know that the new manager would have a first priority of getting us out of relegation danger.
We also know that we needed a manager who would get the fans back on side.

Micky, SoD and Andy Scott would meet all of the above criteria.

We know nothing more than this.

I guess whether you think that Mr Birch and the board have achieved what they set out to in the selection process is open to interpretation in many ways, but any more than this is speculation.

Personally I thought we could've acted quicker and once we started talking to our number one target we should've got him within a day or two, but also should've been (and probably were) talking to the other targets at the same time just incase target 1 or 2 fell didn't work out. But we should've got the new man in before Christmas eve.

However, now that we have Micky, its irrelevant whether he was target 1, 2, 3 or whatever (because we don't know who was the top target for Birch and the board), the fact is that we made a choice, went for him and got him. No big achievement perhaps for a club of our potential to raid a league 2 side for their manager, but Birch announced in the few days before Christmas that we didn't expect a new man in place until after new year, we met this target at least.

The endless right/ wrong man for the job and playing style debates will no doubt rumble on, they would've done regardless of who we got, but I fail to see what the big issue is now.

 

[Bladesway]

As usual Len posts and the usuals wade in. You'll learn one day. I prefer to look at it this way. How much in the shit are we when Micky Adams is the right man for the job? Is his track record better than that of Blackwell? I don't see it. He has drifted from job to job without any real success of note. He has turned Port Vale into a team capable of winning League 2. If that is or was our first choice then we are possibly more screwed than even pessimists like me think we are.

My feelings are we have gone once more for a cheap and easy option. Adams won't spend big on wages/transfer fees, he is at the club he loves so don't expect him to go braying McTightwads door down demanding better players etc. Also, no one bigger than us was ever going to come in for Adams so he is probably batting about as high up the order as he could ever expect to.

IF we were ambitious we would have tried to court bigger names who in turn would have the chance of bringing better players in. But that would rock McCabes boat too much and that just wouldn't do.

I am neither disappointed or elated that Adams is our Manager and I don't have the foggiest as to whether he will get us out of this mess. I am however disappointed that once more Birch and co spout their drivel about the right man and we end up with someone who will get the support of the fans because he is a Blade. As much as it was time for Blackwell to go (should have been after the Ipswich game last season) we wouldn't be in any a worse position if he was still in charge. I'm afraid many have had the wool pulled over their eyes and their tails tugged once again. I half expect someone to cry "back to basics" in a press conference in the coming days.

 

[JJ Sefton]

I am neither disappointed or elated that Adams is our Manager and I don't have the foggiest as to whether he will get us out of this mess.

But that isnt going to stop you having a moan about it.

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I am however disappointed that once more Birch and co spout their drivel about the right man...

You think they should have said "We welcome Micky Adams to the club, of course, wed much rather have someone else..."

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Adams won't spend big on wages/transfer fees...

Bearing in mind the fact that we havent got a pot to piss in the same would be true if wed appointed your preferred candidate, Jose Mourinho.

 

[Ollessendro]

It was a three bed terrace in Enfield and no, we didnt have a "sataleitte" (sic) because digital radio hadnt been invented. Im not "degrading" you about growing up in Rotherham, Im just pointing out that if you are going to attack people for where theyre from then you should expect a bit back, even if you are a sensitive soul.

Check post 121 above, you brought it into this thread in response to some perfectly reasonable questions. You cant go pulling your usual trick of weeping and stamping your feet when someone does it back to you.

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"listen to Birch's interviews and SOD's on football heaven if you want media stuff"

What did they say? I listened to the interviews and cant say I drew the conclusions you have. If you can point me towards something I missed then go ahead.

"every Blades fans seems to think that SOD was our number one choice"

Do they?

"Birch made it clear"

Did he? And how does that square with this...



"SOD was interested"

Hang on, I thought it went beyond being "interested", I thought he had issued a come and get me plea. If he did Id like you to direct me to it.

This is getting a little boring now. Your comments about me are as way of the mark as your opinions about Sheffield United, Yorkshire and politics are. You used me being from Rotherham in another thread, so get your facts right before calling me a hypocrite.

I can't be arsed with the rest of your pedantic points. Why? Did they? Did he? We'll just have to agree to disagree. Would you like to dspute any of these?:
- most United fans wanted SOD (see Swiss's comments and most importantly Highbury's poll)
- Adams is the cheaper option than SOD
- SOD was interested

Admittedly the rest is subjective. I would hazard a guess that most United fans thought Birch's comments were about SOD, but Birch was celver and didn't mention any names. Hence pedantic posters can claim that they didn't make the obvious interpreatation. Hence it can't be proved one way or another.

 

[Jim Chimmerney]

As usual Len posts and the usuals wade in. You'll learn one day.

Yep, good job you didn't reply

 

[JJ Sefton]

Would you like to dspute any of these?:
- most United fans wanted SOD (see Swiss's comments and most importantly Highbury's poll)

No I wouldnt. At no stage have I.

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- Adams is the cheaper option than SOD

Quite probably he is. I bought an expensive pair of trainers and pair of knock off Timberlands once. The cheapy Timberlands are still here, the trainers went long ago.

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- SOD was interested

Lets look at what he said...

"If there was any opportunity – not just Sheffield United – it would be a case of what do they want, what type of manager do they want? To me, that would be my first concern. I don't know whether I would be a good fit for Sheffield United or a lot of clubs. It depends what they want.

"It's a different type of job and whether or not I would be suitable, I'm not sure," he added.

"We do things a little bit differently and (Rovers chairman) John Ryan had faith that this is the
way he wanted to run a football club.

"You need faith but you are going to go through some tough times. If an opportunity came up, and I felt it was the right opportunity, I would have to consider it."

You call that a 'come and get me' plea?

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Admittedly the rest is subjective.

You said it. It took a while, but you said it.

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I would hazard a guess that most United fans thought Birch's comments were about SOD

I wouldnt be so arrogant as to claim that my own perceptions were shared by thousands of other people. And just to clarify, what comments by Birch exactly led you to this conclusion?

 

[Highbury_Blade]

- most United fans wanted SOD (see Swiss's comments and most importantly Highbury's poll)
- Adams is the cheaper option than SOD
- SOD was interested

Thanks for the namecheck ollie, but that poll wasn't 'most' united fans. It was most united fans that post on here AND that could be bothered to vote. I can't say whether it was representative of most United fans, as certain boards tend to attract certain types of posters.

If bladesmad wasn't run on such archaic software, and let you post votes, then you might get a different opinion.

As far as i'm concerned, i think we went for the cheaper (Note that i didn't say cheap ) option in Adams, rather than the prohibitively expensive option in Sean O'Driscoll.

 

[JJ Sefton]

You used me being from Rotherham in another thread, so get your facts right before calling me a hypocrite.

I didnt 'use' it, I pointed it out.

 

[lenners]

1 We have offical approaches to Port Vale and Brentford, none to Doncaster so SOD was never first choice - fact or we would have made that approach.
2 We didn't get our first choice - we may even have changed our minds/bottled it - and we got Adams instead the board bullshitted to the nth degree on the appointment process Either we went through the process or we didn't? We obviously went through a process of getting a manger, how you describe it to suit your agenda is up to you but whether we changed our minds, bottled it, call it whatever you want, even if we made a call to SOD and sounded him out it was still a process. Just because the process didn't fit your agenda does not mean it wasn't a process.

Who knows that we didn't make a cheeky call to O'Neil and therefore we really didn't get our first choice?

Don't let the truth get in the way of having a go?

Elseware I've pointed out how the pieces of the jigsaw may fall into place. Your correct that the next three weeks will demonstrate how much support MA gets although it may be the end of Feb when the loan window closes before we get the full picture.

Only the chronically naive would believe that we didn't talk to SOD first and then moved on, for whatever reason.
These would be the same people who believed Carver would be in post until now because the club said so.

 

[Bramley]

Only the chronically naive would believe that we didn't talk to SOD first and then moved on, for whatever reason.
These would be the same people who believed Carver would be in post until now because the club said so.

Does it matter either way for christ's sake?!?!

 

[Trigger Blade]

This is getting a little boring now. Your comments about me are as way of the mark as your opinions about Sheffield United, Yorkshire and politics are. You used me being from Rotherham in another thread, so get your facts right before calling me a hypocrite.

I can't be arsed with the rest of your pedantic points

As an objective bystander, my recollection is:-

You started a thread asking people's views on Sheffield
WB gave his
You didn't like them as they don't coincide with yours and you went to some lengths to try and demonstrate why they were therefore less valid

You're still having a pop at him now. So many of your posts demonstrate your sensitivity to criticism, which is odd for someone so outspoken.

 

[Bladesway]

But that isnt going to stop you having a moan about it.

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You think they should have said "We welcome Micky Adams to the club, of course, wed much rather have someone else..."

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Bearing in mind the fact that we havent got a pot to piss in the same would be true if wed appointed your preferred candidate, Jose Mourinho.

Wow, your not only the king of missing the point you do mind reading as well. Two birds with one stone and all that.

 

[Highbury_Blade]

Exactly who gives a stuff?

IF they did speak to SOD, then for whatever reason he didn't fit all the criteria set by the board.

If one of those reasons was economic, then how much should we have been prepared to pay to get the man?

 

[Oreyt]

"Quite probably he is. I bought an expensive pair of trainers and pair of knock off Timberlands once. The cheapy Timberlands are still here, the trainers went long ago."

And therein lies the main reason why the pessimists on here are so frustrating.

Their arguments are delivered with utter certainty. There's no room for other factors: everything is McCabe's fault and he only ever acts out of selfish, small minded motives. Adams WAS the cheap choice, it IS a disaster, we HAVE failed and we WILL go down, etc etc.

Some, all or none of these things might happen. But why is everything for them certain, simple and pre-defined even when, they must admit, we only have some of the facts.

Is the rest of their lives that straight forward? Is everything always down to one factor? I find that life can pretty nebulous at the best of times. I'm almost jealous of them...

 

[AlienWoodward]

As usual Len posts and the usuals wade in. You'll learn one day. I prefer to look at it this way. How much in the shit are we when Micky Adams is the right man for the job? Is his track record better than that of Blackwell? I don't see it. He has drifted from job to job without any real success of note. He has turned Port Vale into a team capable of winning League 2. If that is or was our first choice then we are possibly more screwed than even pessimists like me think we are.

My feelings are we have gone once more for a cheap and easy option. Adams won't spend big on wages/transfer fees, he is at the club he loves so don't expect him to go braying McTightwads door down demanding better players etc. Also, no one bigger than us was ever going to come in for Adams so he is probably batting about as high up the order as he could ever expect to.

IF we were ambitious we would have tried to court bigger names who in turn would have the chance of bringing better players in. But that would rock McCabes boat too much and that just wouldn't do.

I am neither disappointed or elated that Adams is our Manager and I don't have the foggiest as to whether he will get us out of this mess. I am however disappointed that once more Birch and co spout their drivel about the right man and we end up with someone who will get the support of the fans because he is a Blade. As much as it was time for Blackwell to go (should have been after the Ipswich game last season) we wouldn't be in any a worse position if he was still in charge. I'm afraid many have had the wool pulled over their eyes and their tails tugged once again. I half expect someone to cry "back to basics" in a press conference in the coming days.

He has three promotions to his name as manager
One from the championship to the premier league. I would say any manager who gets promoted to the premier league is an experienced championship manager.

 

[Jim Chimmerney]

Only the chronically naive would believe that we didn't talk to SOD first and then moved on, for whatever reason.
These would be the same people who believed Carver would be in post until now because the club said so.

If SO'D had agreed to take over, he would have been on gardening leave until after the Donny game so Carver would have been in charge until the New Year which is basically what they said. The comments from Birch you are concentrating on were based on SO'D taking over, his more than obvious initial references and then the New Year comment as above. Once it became clear that he wasn't coming, the goalposts moved and the target changed so you can't then beat them with a stick and basically accuse them of bulls1tting when circumstances have changed.

As I see it, the only thing, and I admit it's a massive only thing, is the comment about taking the club forward style wise and whether MA is the man for the job. Time will tell.

 

[JJ Sefton]

Wow, your not only the king of missing the point you do mind reading as well. Two birds with one stone and all that.

What point did I miss?

 

[SwissBlade]

Thanks for the namecheck ollie, but that poll wasn't 'most' united fans. It was most united fans that post on here AND that could be bothered to vote. I can't say whether it was representative of most United fans, as certain boards tend to attract certain types of posters.

I made that point in my post, so considering this is a discussion between forum users on this forum (some of which may have contributed to the poll) then its a fair barometer for the opinion of those on here.

Only the chronically naive would believe that we didn't talk to SOD first and then moved on, for whatever reason.
These would be the same people who believed Carver would be in post until now because the club said so.

I'm not sure why all that matters Lenners, i'm failing to see your point. What does it matter which order we talked to candidates? Its pure speculation and pretty irrelevant.

You've already said Micky isn't a bad choice so whats the issue now?

 

[Ollessendro]

Thanks for the namecheck ollie, but that poll wasn't 'most' united fans. It was most united fans that post on here AND that could be bothered to vote. I can't say whether it was representative of most United fans, as certain boards tend to attract certain types of posters.

If bladesmad wasn't run on such archaic software, and let you post votes, then you might get a different opinion.

As far as i'm concerned, i think we went for the cheaper (Note that i didn't say cheap ) option in Adams, rather than the prohibitively expensive option in Sean O'Driscoll.

I'd argue that the sample is representative. 'Different forums attract different types of people' is not an adequate reason for this sample not being so.

As an objective bystander, my recollection is:-

You started a thread asking people's views on Sheffield
WB gave his
You didn't like them as they don't coincide with yours and you went to some lengths to try and demonstrate why they were therefore less valid

You're still having a pop at him now. So many of your posts demonstrate your sensitivity to criticism, which is odd for someone so outspoken.

Objective bystander?! Most on the forum will have seen that your sole contribution to the forum is to try to mock myself and Lenners. Your judgement is about in line with what you conttribute. Still I can't help having a bit of affection for you (like you with Len). Happy new year

 

[lenners]

If SO'D had agreed to take over, he would have been on gardening leave until after the Donny game so Carver would have been in charge until the New Year which is basically what they said. The comments from Birch you are concentrating on were based on SO'D taking over, his more than obvious initial references and then the New Year comment as above. Once it became clear that he wasn't coming, the goalposts moved and the target changed so you can't then beat them with a stick and basically accuse them of bulls1tting when circumstances have changed.

As I see it, the only thing, and I admit it's a massive only thing, is the comment about taking the club forward style wise and whether MA is the man for the job. Time will tell.

Possibly Fleets and I'm glad you do have the common sense to acknowledge the obvious about SOD.

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Does it matter either way for christ's sake?!?!

It seems to matter to some of our chronically naive fans who refuse to accept the bleedin' obvious.

 

[bartman]

I've read this thread a couple of times now,Lenners and the topic has changed from Olle's original point.

I am struggling to see where any fan has refused to 'accept the bleedin' obvious'....just gave a differing perception to what you are saying as the discussion appears to be based on hearsay and assumption which is why it is going in circles

Isn't it time to let this rest now,look forwards,see what Birch does and back Adams(i.e fans and the Board).