Tickets for the derby

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Sean Thornton said:
Is that a better system? Why should season ticket holders be allowed 2 tickets? Why should a season ticket holder with say 25000 points who only goes get the same priority for say the Pig game at the Sty over a season ticket holder with 50000 points who goes to every away game?
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Should say "only generally goes to home games"
 



BigBed said:
No need, I bought a useless membership n got my ticket to the derby the day they were released.
Thank God for useless memberships, or I wouldn't be going...
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You don't need a membership to buy a ticket for the pigs game. You just need to have minimum 500 points.
 
Sean Thornton said:
We don't usually sell out. That's the point.
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The loyalty points system creates a "Can't be bothered" scenario

One thing that was always excellent about our support was travelling on numbers

Even when our home support was down to 10,000 in the bad old days a sizeable amount of that support travelled away from home

The loyalty points system started when we got to the Prem and immediately resulted in poorly attended away games at Tottenham and Fulham, and it didn't get much better throughout the season except for the games at the big clubs

Our away support is way down since its introduction thats all I'm saying

And if smaller allocations are still not being sold out you have to wonder why it exists in the first place.

We'd sell more per game on a free for all basis than the loyalty points system where everybody has to wait their turn and then in the end think "fuck it"
 
Topplayersleave said:
The loyalty points system creates a "Can't be bothered" scenario

One thing that was always excellent about our support was travelling on numbers

Even when our home support was down to 10,000 in the bad old days a sizeable amount of that support travelled away from home

The loyalty points system started when we got to the Prem and immediately resulted in poorly attended away games at Tottenham and Fulham, and it didn't get much better throughout the season except for the games at the big clubs

Our away support is way down since its introduction thats all I'm saying

And if smaller allocations are still not being sold out you have to wonder why it exists in the first place.

We'd sell more per game on a free for all basis than the loyalty points system where everybody has to wait their turn and then in the end think "fuck it"
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Our away support may be down because we have been in L1 for six years. Plus, cup runs apart, how many times were we taking 5/6 thousand away under Warnock?

In any event, selling out at Derby and Forest suggests your theory doesn't hold water. They're close by. The cost of travel can be extortionate then there's the cost of the ticket. League position and finance are far more likely the reason than the loyalty points system.

And that's without your nonsense about fans not buying on the first available day so they can hold hands with their mates. I don't and I'd bet the vast majority won't either.
 
Now it's obvious it ain't gonna sell out why don't they relax this crap ticketing policy?
 
Barry Butlin said:
Sorry Sean he is right!!!
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So we could sell 5/6 thousand tickets for away games if it was a first come first served basis Barry? Why aren't these extra 3000 fans seemingly wanting to go buying the unsold tickets we have, because they can't get them on the first day?

It's just another dig at the club.
 
No system will be perfect and will never suit everyone.

But stripping it back to basics -

Is it right that those who go most often home and away get first dibs on tickets, particular when scarce? - yes

should those people be able to buy extra tickets for big games, for mates, who may never normally go thereby depriving other loyal supporters of a ticket? - no

I think the ticket policy for the pig game is a good one.

Even after the more loyal supporters have bought theirs, there are still plenty of tickets left. 500 points is bugger all for anyone who genuinely supports United.
 
west_yorks_blade said:
No system will be perfect and will never suit everyone.

But stripping it back to basics -

Is it right that those who go most often home and away get first dibs on tickets, particular when scarce? - yes

should those people be able to buy extra tickets for big games, for mates, who may never normally go thereby depriving other loyal supporters of a ticket? - no

I think the ticket policy for the pig game is a good one.

Even after the more loyal supporters have bought theirs, there are still plenty of tickets left. 500 points is bugger all for anyone who genuinely supports United.
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The ticketing system for a casual visitor is a pain in the arse. If you want to bring a mate along from somewhere out of Sheffield who's never been before its a real hassle. If they're not registered, no ticket. I tried it once this season and gave up. My lad tried the same when he tried to bring two mates up from work. He gave up too. This may not elicit much sympathy from the myopic Sheffielders, fuck 'em being the probable response, But the same people can log on to Man U, Barca and RM and buy a ticket no problem. So pig game aside, that's different, the general policy is fucking stupid when a casual supporter can't rock up and buy a ticket with an existing fan.
 
snootyfenooty said:
The ticketing system for a casual visitor is a pain in the arse. If you want to bring a mate along from somewhere out of Sheffield who's never been before its a real hassle. If they're not registered, no ticket. I tried it once this season and gave up. My lad tried the same when he tried to bring two mates up from work. He gave up too. This may not elicit much sympathy from the myopic Sheffielders, fuck 'em being the probable response, But the same people can log on to Man U, Barca and RM and buy a ticket no problem. So pig game aside, that's different, the general policy is fucking stupid when a casual supporter can't rock up and buy a ticket with an existing fan.
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I think you’re conflating two issues here.

Loyalty points are one thing and allowing casual parties to turn up when there are spare tickets is another.

The reason that many many clubs including ours insist that you are on the database before selling you a ticket is the same reason that we aren’t considered capable of supping a pint in view of the pitch - the actions of morons who given free reign spoil football for the majority. As a consequence we all suffer inconveniences.
 
Sean Thornton said:
So we could sell 5/6 thousand tickets for away games if it was a first come first served basis Barry? Why aren't these extra 3000 fans seemingly wanting to go buying the unsold tickets we have, because they can't get them on the first day?

It's just another dig at the club.
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It's not a dig at the club and I agree with a loyalty points system

But it does not need to be used for regular run of the mill games

Games at Forest and Derby where relatively small allocations are given will sell out

But games at clubs with huge away ends like Preston, Blackburn, Wigan, and Bolton we'd sell a lot more for if the loyalty points system didn't exist. There's no need for it at these games where plenty of tickets could be available

The loyalist fans would still get their tickets but at least everybody would have a chance to plan

All I'm saying is that for games with a larger capacity for away fans we would take more if the restrictions of the loyalty points didn't exist
 
west_yorks_blade said:
I think you’re conflating two issues here.

Loyalty points are one thing and allowing casual parties to turn up when there are spare tickets is another.

The reason that many many clubs including ours insist that you are on the database before selling you a ticket is the same reason that we aren’t considered capable of supping a pint in view of the pitch - the actions of morons who given free reign spoil football for the majority. As a consequence we all suffer inconveniences.
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You haven't even tried to address my point. A casual fan cannot attend a game at the Lane, even if accompanied by a genuine fan, without a load of hassle.

The same fan can buy a ticket online at Man U, Barca or RM without any hassle. Probably the same at most of the grounds in this country for all I know.

Why is anyone trying to defend United's policy on this?
 



bartman said:
Are you referring to the L1 play off final against Huddersfield ? The tickets went to general sale and we didn't sell out
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snootyfenooty said:
You haven't even tried to address my point. A casual fan cannot attend a game at the Lane, even if accompanied by a genuine fan, without a load of hassle.

The same fan can buy a ticket online at Man U, Barca or RM without any hassle. Probably the same at most of the grounds in this country for all I know.

Why is anyone trying to defend United's policy on this?
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Genuine question- what is the hassle ? Don't you just have to give their name and address ( and date of birth?) or is it something more complicated ?
 
snootyfenooty said:
You haven't even tried to address my point. A casual fan cannot attend a game at the Lane, even if accompanied by a genuine fan, without a load of hassle.

The same fan can buy a ticket online at Man U, Barca or RM without any hassle. Probably the same at most of the grounds in this country for all I know.

Why is anyone trying to defend United's policy on this?
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When tickets go on General Sale, you could let all and sundry buy them, like you reckon Manure, Barca & RM do, or you could ensure that those who buy them have some affiliation to the club, like we do.

Personally I'm happy that we have the policy we do. Although I have been to many games where people who are clearly not blades have been sat near me, so there are clearly those who can circumnavigate this restriction.
 
bartman said:
Genuine question- what is the hassle ? Don't you just have to give their name and address ( and date of birth?) or is it something more complicated ?
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They have to give those details which prevents you from going down and buying the tickets for them in advance. Like "can I have 3 for the kop on satdi please", "sorry I can sell you one but not the other 2 unless they register". It's happened to me before anyone tries telling me it's not so.
 
i dont think a 500 point minimum was needed. success of that decision will depend on uptake in next few weeks - currently loads of tickets available. as i said before, if the club cant find away to sell every available ticket to any type of united fan, it'd be a shame. Hundreds of empty seats given our position would be strange.
 
snootyfenooty said:
The ticketing system for a casual visitor is a pain in the arse. If you want to bring a mate along from somewhere out of Sheffield who's never been before its a real hassle. If they're not registered, no ticket. I tried it once this season and gave up. My lad tried the same when he tried to bring two mates up from work. He gave up too. This may not elicit much sympathy from the myopic Sheffielders, fuck 'em being the probable response, But the same people can log on to Man U, Barca and RM and buy a ticket no problem. So pig game aside, that's different, the general policy is fucking stupid when a casual supporter can't rock up and buy a ticket with an existing fan.
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Too right, I've been to Manchester Derbies, Glasgow Derbies, Liverpool Derbies, games for which tickets are like rocking horse shit.
And we'll end up with 40,000 wanting to see the game but only 28,000 actually getting in, with 4,500 empty seats
 
Sean Thornton said:
I think the point is this is nothing new but some don't do anything to alter their position ever.
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That's the thing though - it is something new. I could easily have got an occasional friend's account up to 500 points, but given that last season it barely sold out a couple of days before despite STH's getting one extra, it's not unreasonable to expect they'd have the same system as last year, if not in a different order, but since they've removed one extra for a STH, and the club has not given enough time to do anything about it, that's where the issue is.

Absolutely no problem with waiting to get one extra after members and non-members with the points having first dibs, the order they had for sales last year was dumb. If it sells out to people with 500, fine, but if it doesn't then the club looks a bit stupid, loses money and we have less support
 
Topplayersleave said:
It's not a dig at the club and I agree with a loyalty points system

But it does not need to be used for regular run of the mill games

Games at Forest and Derby where relatively small allocations are given will sell out

But games at clubs with huge away ends like Preston, Blackburn, Wigan, and Bolton we'd sell a lot more for if the loyalty points system didn't exist. There's no need for it at these games where plenty of tickets could be available

The loyalist fans would still get their tickets but at least everybody would have a chance to plan

All I'm saying is that for games with a larger capacity for away fans we would take more if the restrictions of the loyalty points didn't exist
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Where are the extra fans coming from? O Connells’ magic hat? The loyalty points system restricts nobody from buying tickets.

In addition, I think that 3100 at Derby - it could be higher - cannot be classed as a relativley small allocation.
 
axel smeets said:
Where are the extra fans coming from? O Connells’ magic hat? The loyalty points system restricts nobody from buying tickets.

In addition, I think that 3100 at Derby - it could be higher - cannot be classed as a relativley small allocation.
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I don't know where they'll come from, or where they've gone, but I do know one thing.
Put any single problem in front of a large number of Sheffield United fans and they'll think fuck it and not bother. Even making a game all ticket in the good old days would have major repercussions at the Lane when it wouldn't anywhere else because so many people can't be arsed if they have one small hurdle to overcome.

Our away followings are down, the downtrend coincided with the loyalty points system that was introduced when we got to the Premier League.
Why would our previous and traditionally good away followings suddenly become poor away followings for our once every fifteen year top flight season ? And it hasn't improved since.
An away trip nowadays takes a lot of planning, you can't just make your mind up on Saturday morning, jump in the car and go like we used to do years ago.

The boardroom should understand our fans mentality by now. Get 2000 tickets with loyalty points restrictions and we'll sell 1800 of them.
Get 3000 without loyalty points restrictions and we'll not have enough
 
Topplayersleave said:
The boardroom should understand our fans mentality by now
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You don't seem to, with your 'woe is me' and Private Fraser 'we're doomed' persona.

So no loyalty points or similar and a general free for all for any big game.

Great plan that!
 



You're spot on topplayersleave plus you can't now as a season ticket holder buy a ticket for your mate not on the system, it's had a huge impact home and away this season and means we're top of the league and will have empty seats for the pig game, I can hear the song now!!!!!
 
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