Those that want Wilder back.

[KMC-1889]

I wouldn't say the number of failed players that Wilder brought in is 'endless'. Not every signing will come good, and some will suffer injuries - but overall Wilder had a decent record in his transfer dealings - better than most managers.

This is a complete myth, his record with transfers is shocking. Most people will hold up players like Egan, Fleck, didzy etc… but there’s dozens on the ‘did not work’ pile.

 

[Need4speed]

I think Wilder was happy to go really. He saw thew writing on the wall. Sell the spine of the team and why would you expect any difference.

 

[Iffy Onuora's Shiny Head]

Wilder signed no players that we sold for a profit as far as I'm aware?

Maybe ramsdale at a push.

His first few years he did exceptionally well with frees and low value transfers but since then it's been one waste of money after another

 

[Dkc]

This is a complete myth, his record with transfers is shocking. Most people will hold up players like Egan, Fleck, didzy etc… but there’s dozens on the ‘did not work’ pile.

How many dozen? 24? 36?

I'd say Wilder had 5 or 6 major signings that didn't work out, through injury or they simply weren't good enough. And probably 20 that came good to a greater / lesser extent.

 

[loyalblade95]

We went three games and got 0 points, why does it matter when it the season it was?

And one of those was against Millwall at the Lane, and strangely enough I thought we actually played better in the second half yesterday than we did that night we played Millwall last season.

 

[JustLookin]

How many dozen? 24? 36?

I'd say Wilder had 5 or 6 major signings that didn't work out, through injury or they simply weren't good enough. And probably 20 that came good to a greater / lesser extent.

I think there's a lot of players that you've managed to block out of your memory. I checked, and found that back in 2021 a newspaper did a compilation after he signed for Boro (https://www.gazettelive.co.uk/sport...is-wilders-sheffield-united-signings-22153059).

1 Mark Duffy
2 Chris Hussey
3 James Wilson
4 John Fleck
5 Jack O’Connell
6 Jake Wright
7 Leon Clarke
8 Simon Moore
9 Caolan Lavery
10 Reece Brown
11 Samir Carruthers
12 Daniel Lafferty
13 James Hanson
14 Harry Chapman
15 Ethan Ebanks-Landell
16 Joe Riley
17 Jay O’Shea
18 Richard Stearman
19 John Lundstram
20 Cameron Carter-Vickers
21 Clayton Donaldson
22 Ben Heneghan
23 Ched Evans
24 Jamal Blackman
25 Enda Stevens
26 James Wilson
27 Lee Evans
28 Ricky Holmes
29 Ryan Leonard
30 Dean Henderson
31 John Egan
32 David McGoldrick
33 Ben Woodburn
34 Kean Bryan
35 Oliver Norwood
36 Marvin Johnson
37 Conor Washington
38 Martin Cranie
39 Kieran Dowell
40 Gary Madine
41 Scott Hogan
42 Luke Freeman
43 Phil Jagielka
44 Callum Robinson
45 Ravel Morrison
46 Lys Mousset
47 Ben Osborn
48 Oli McBurnie
49 Muhamed Besic
50 Michael Verrips
51 Jack Rodwell
52 Jack Robinson
53 Sander Berge
54 Richairo Zivkovic
55 Panagiotis Retsos
56 Wes Foderingham
57 Aaron Ramsdale
58 Max Lowe
59 Jayden Bogle
60 Oliver Burke
61 Rhian Brewster
62 Ethan Ampadu

A lot of money wasted there. And that was before he went to Boro.

 

[Superblades]

I think there's a lot of players that you've managed to block out of your memory. I checked, and found that back in 2021 a newspaper did a compilation after he signed for Boro (https://www.gazettelive.co.uk/sport...is-wilders-sheffield-united-signings-22153059).

1 Mark Duffy
2 Chris Hussey
3 James Wilson
4 John Fleck
5 Jack O’Connell
6 Jake Wright
7 Leon Clarke
8 Simon Moore
9 Caolan Lavery
10 Reece Brown
11 Samir Carruthers
12 Daniel Lafferty
13 James Hanson
14 Harry Chapman
15 Ethan Ebanks-Landell
16 Joe Riley
17 Jay O’Shea
18 Richard Stearman
19 John Lundstram
20 Cameron Carter-Vickers
21 Clayton Donaldson
22 Ben Heneghan
23 Ched Evans
24 Jamal Blackman
25 Enda Stevens
26 James Wilson
27 Lee Evans
28 Ricky Holmes
29 Ryan Leonard
30 Dean Henderson
31 John Egan
32 David McGoldrick
33 Ben Woodburn
34 Kean Bryan
35 Oliver Norwood
36 Marvin Johnson
37 Conor Washington
38 Martin Cranie
39 Kieran Dowell
40 Gary Madine
41 Scott Hogan
42 Luke Freeman
43 Phil Jagielka
44 Callum Robinson
45 Ravel Morrison
46 Lys Mousset
47 Ben Osborn
48 Oli McBurnie
49 Muhamed Besic
50 Michael Verrips
51 Jack Rodwell
52 Jack Robinson
53 Sander Berge
54 Richairo Zivkovic
55 Panagiotis Retsos
56 Wes Foderingham
57 Aaron Ramsdale
58 Max Lowe
59 Jayden Bogle
60 Oliver Burke
61 Rhian Brewster
62 Ethan Ampadu

A lot of money wasted there. And that was before he went to Boro.

Going through that I’d say between 15-20 were good players and did well here. Rest of them didn’t make the grade.

 

[coaxingstar71]

I don't buy into this theory that Wilder is a 'dinosaur'. I assume the inference is that he's an old fashioned type of manager with old fashioned views on the game who wants to run the entire football club without any interference from the board. Also the regular criticism was he had no 'plan B' and couldn't adapt to new playing styles.
People seem to have very short memories. Wasn't it Wilder who when he came in and his usual 4-4-2 wasn't working, completely changed the formation and had the team playing with a new innovative way that saw us gain two promotions and more than hold our own in the Premier League? Didn't this playing style attract praise from the likes of Klopp and Guardiola and we even had articles written about it in the sports pages of continental papers and magazines?
Wasn't it Wilder who decided to introduce a new formation last season and then tweaked it again towards the end of the season?
In addition, Wilder did make tactical changes during games when things were not working.

It suits the agenda to think that Wilder is some sort of footballing dinosaur, because he's from Sheffield and speaks plainly, instead of having a sexy foreign name and eulogising about 'the vision' and philosophising about vertical transitions or whatever.

I don't think for one minute that he will return and I think that ship has definitely now sailed, but I'd have another manager like him rather than Selles every day of the week.

 

[Striker]

Nope, still more than happy that he’s gone. He should never have anything to do with the club again, he’s not wanted by anyone who has more than half a brain cell.

Another post trying to make out that the people who wanted Wilder out are actually intelligent, whilst all the evidence points to the fact that they are delusional and choose to manipulate the facts.

 

[Bladey_blade]

Great post this, there's no way we would have 0 points after 3 games under wilder

We managed it against Plymouth Oxford and Millwall when it actually mattered though didn't we?

 

[PageHallBlade]

I don't buy into this theory that Wilder is a 'dinosaur'. I assume the inference is that he's an old fashioned type of manager with old fashioned views on the game who wants to run the entire football club without any interference from the board. Also the regular criticism was he had no 'plan B' and couldn't adapt to new playing styles.
People seem to have very short memories. Wasn't it Wilder who when he came in and his usual 4-4-2 wasn't working, completely changed the formation and had the team playing with a new innovative way that saw us gain two promotions and more than hold our own in the Premier League? Didn't this playing style attract praise from the likes of Klopp and Guardiola and we even had articles written about it in the sports pages of continental papers and magazines?
Wasn't it Wilder who decided to introduce a new formation last season and then tweaked it again towards the end of the season?
In addition, Wilder did make tactical changes during games when things were not working.

It suits the agenda to think that Wilder is some sort of footballing dinosaur, because he's from Sheffield and speaks plainly, instead of having a sexy foreign name and eulogising about 'the vision' and philosophising about vertical transitions or whatever.

I don't think for one minute that he will return and I think that ship has definitely now sailed, but I'd have another manager like him rather than Selles every day of the week.

i dont think hes a dinosaur but likewise hes not adapatble and he has a "my way or the highway" mentality which for players is fine but not when your dealing with a boardroom, also his abilty/unabilty to make changes cost us more than it gained us last season ( replacing Soutar as an example )
also we were outplayed by most of the top 6 teams last year so hes not some Pep technical genius but neither is he route one lump it up the the big lad what he is is a manger that can get players on his side and run through a brick wall when its SUFC but not when its Boro/Watford etc

 

[Working Class Hero]

Wilder signed no players that we sold for a profit as far as I'm aware?

Maybe ramsdale at a push.

That's because we generally didn't sell players that were any good. There would have been dozens that could have been sold for a profit but never tried to leave, unlike now. The retention of players was another massive plus of having Chris Wilder as manager.

 

[lepton blade]

Under Wilder we’d have an identity and would have created significantly more goal scoring opportunities than we have seen under Selles.
For 75 minutes yesterday it was absolutely turgid football and only improved when the last throw of the dice subs were brought on. Right now, it doesn’t have to be Wilder but it simply cannot be Selles for much longer.

 

[GeorgeDonis1889]

They always forget about him sneaking out of the back door with a payoff when things didn’t go his way and pissing the clubs money up the wall on shit players because he wouldn’t recruit foreigners.

Probably forget that because it's not reality its just in your Wilder addled mind. Rest of your post is nonsense.

 

[Broomhall Blade]

The level to which people have been brainwashed is ridiculous now. Social media demands tippy tappy (boring) football, "classy" (boring) managers and foreign players, so that's what we as Sheffield United must have.

I'm not ashamed to say that I just want to enjoy my hobby. I go to home and away matches to watch the football and spend some time with mates and family, usually involving a beer. It's most enjoyable when we're winning and achieving things, but even more so when there's a connection to the players and manager and there's a generally good vibe around the club. Chris Wilder isn't the only person who can provide that, and one day we'll find someone else who does, but to sack him when we did in favour of what the brainwashed want, was ludicrous. I don't expect the club to make decisions based on what I want, but I can guarantee most fans get enjoyment from the same things as me, particularly proper matchgoing ones.

It's the same with VAR and billionaires/countries buying up clubs. People have been conditioned to think these things are somehow good for the game and we all must go with it because it's progress, despite the evidence being right in front of us that they're making the game worse.

Do Arsenal play tippy tappy football do Liverpool play tippy tappy football ?
Did Leeds and Burnley play tippy tappy football ?
Football has changed we saw that in the Premiership last time, 'Pashun' and badge slapping and having connections with fans is no longer good enough to survive in the Premiership or even get to it.
As a fan I want United to win and become established in the Premiership whilst playing entertaining football.
I don't care if a manager disappears down the tunnel at full time, celebrate when the job is done at the end off the season.
If the roles where reversed and selles was sacked at the end off last season and Wilder was appointed for the first time, would as many fans be calling for his sacking or would he be given more time because he's "one of our own".

Is Selles the right man i don't know and things are not looking good, but to be fair he lost Vini and Anel, plus Choudhury & Rak Saki went back 4 big losses so he gets a bit of slack from me.
I thought there was a little green shoot yesterday after the 60min mark and on another day with luck on our side we could have won 2-1, would that have been deserved probably not but it would have done the confidence the world of good.

Hopefully at least 4 additions to come In this week which would help.

 

[Blademan89]

What, by giving him £23m for Brewster?

I mean, it's been documented that it wasnt £23m.

The £23m was with all the add ons, which let's be right non of those add ons will have been triggered.

 

[Andy67]

That’s an opinion though, not a fact. And can’t be proved one way or another.

No one expected us to lose three games on the trot between 5th and 12th April this year, but we did.

The context of those games were significantly different, the pressure at the end of the season got to us, but there shouldn’t be now. The defeats at the start of the season have been poor against average sides (apart from Bristol City where we felt it would be a matter of time before we would batter a team) and the team looks disjointed. Many of our fans accused Wilder’s team as unfit but if this is the output of higher levels of fitness then they should all take a trip to Macdonalds rather than stopping for a crate of Peroni. My guess is the coaches are inexperienced and can’t cope with pressure after 4 games.

 

[Sean Thornton]

One of the biggest myths on here is the amount of “hate” so many have for Wilder.

Many are critical, a handful have been very abusive, but the hate claim is from those that obsessed with CW they can’t even bring themselves to accept he has made wrong decision and pine for a return. Meanwhile, if they read what’s actually been posted rather than push their own take, as over at Pork Talk, many of those now critical have praised him for his huge achievements in the past.

“Hate” get a fucking grip.

 

[Sean Thornton]

The context of those games were significantly different, the pressure at the end of the season got to us, but there shouldn’t be now. The defeats at the start of the season have been poor against average sides (apart from Bristol City where we felt it would be a matter of time before we would batter a team) and the team looks disjointed. Many of our fans accused Wilder’s team as unfit but if this is the output of higher levels of fitness then they should all take a trip to Macdonalds rather than stopping for a crate of Peroni. My guess is the coaches are inexperienced and can’t cope with pressure after 4 games.

Yes. But that wasn’t my point.

One thing about current performances is the errors in ball control, short passing etc. A change of tactics shouldn’t really affect a players ability to do the straightforward things. Or was it happening last season and we didn’t notice it because we were flying high?

 

[wadblade]

Who would be your second choice if he dropped dead?

Are you even capable of seeing beyond that dinosaur?

The 90pt, play off dinosaur ?

 

[SB_90]

But can you honestly see Selles turning this around?

i couldnt see wilder turning it when he did. & i feel we are in similar situation, 10 years later

Should never have sacked Wilder, he was building a team, his 1st season back and finished 3rd, 92points,

but then you look at 7 games v promoted team
Leeds 0-3 1-3
Burnley 1-2 1-2
Sunderland 2-1 0-2 1-2

P7 W1 L6, 6 scored 15 Conceded

& there were games like Plymouth H. that we were outplayed & somehow won. so maybe fortunate to get that total

 

[Nick Jansky]

That's because we generally didn't sell players that were any good. There would have been dozens that could have been sold for a profit but never tried to leave, unlike now. The retention of players was another massive plus of having Chris Wilder as manager.

And also a massive minus when players who were clearly done and on their way down were given new contracts.

 

[Dkc]

For 75 minutes yesterday it was absolutely turgid football

With no Plan B?

 

[Working Class Hero]

Do Arsenal play tippy tappy football do Liverpool play tippy tappy football ?
Did Leeds and Burnley play tippy tappy football ?
Football has changed we saw that in the Premiership last time, 'Pashun' and badge slapping and having connections with fans is no longer good enough to survive in the Premiership or even get to it.
As a fan I want United to win and become established in the Premiership whilst playing entertaining football.
I don't care if a manager disappears down the tunnel at full time, celebrate when the job is done at the end off the season.
If the roles where reversed and selles was sacked at the end off last season and Wilder was appointed for the first time, would as many fans be calling for his sacking or would he be given more time because he's "one of our own".

Is Selles the right man i don't know and things are not looking good, but to be fair he lost Vini and Anel, plus Choudhury & Rak Saki went back 4 big losses so he gets a bit of slack from me.
I thought there was a little green shoot yesterday after the 60min mark and on another day with luck on our side we could have won 2-1, would that have been deserved probably not but it would have done the confidence the world of good.

Hopefully at least 4 additions to come In this week which would help.

They all play different styles of football, which is my point. Thankfully I think people are now actually seeing that tippy tappy football is not the only way, and that possession doesn't actually count for a lot. It was the fashionable thing for years though. One of those clubs also has an English manager, and another chose to stick with their manager after narrowly missing out on promotion. These are things that a section of our fans didn't want.

They're not performing because they ditched what they were doing to go down a perceived more fashionable route. They mainly did it because of money. Unfortunately that's where we'll always fall short, but we have just as much (if not more) chance with our own identity, whilever we don't have money.

 

[Working Class Hero]

And also a massive minus when players who were clearly done and on their way down were given new contracts.

Heckingbottom was also guilty of that (the farcical John Fleck one springs to mind), which would suggest it was down to where we've been as a club. I.e. unable or unwilling to sign proper replacements.

To be fair, I don't necessarily have an issue with giving players new contracts once past their peak, as long as there is a succession plan and those players are not relied upon to be first teamers for any length of time.

 

[coaxingstar71]

i dont think hes a dinosaur but likewise hes not adapatble and he has a "my way or the highway" mentality which for players is fine but not when your dealing with a boardroom, also his abilty/unabilty to make changes cost us more than it gained us last season ( replacing Soutar as an example )
also we were outplayed by most of the top 6 teams last year so hes not some Pep technical genius but neither is he route one lump it up the the big lad what he is is a manger that can get players on his side and run through a brick wall when its SUFC but not when its Boro/Watford etc

I'd still sooner have that than what we've now got.
You also seem to be forgetting he was very successful at both Northampton and Oxford before he came to us.

 

[KMC-1889]

Do Arsenal play tippy tappy football do Liverpool play tippy tappy football ?
Did Leeds and Burnley play tippy tappy football ?
Football has changed we saw that in the Premiership last time, 'Pashun' and badge slapping and having connections with fans is no longer good enough to survive in the Premiership or even get to it.
As a fan I want United to win and become established in the Premiership whilst playing entertaining football.
I don't care if a manager disappears down the tunnel at full time, celebrate when the job is done at the end off the season.
If the roles where reversed and selles was sacked at the end off last season and Wilder was appointed for the first time, would as many fans be calling for his sacking or would he be given more time because he's "one of our own".

Is Selles the right man i don't know and things are not looking good, but to be fair he lost Vini and Anel, plus Choudhury & Rak Saki went back 4 big losses so he gets a bit of slack from me.
I thought there was a little green shoot yesterday after the 60min mark and on another day with luck on our side we could have won 2-1, would that have been deserved probably not but it would have done the confidence the world of good.

Hopefully at least 4 additions to come In this week which would help.

They just don’t get it. They want their simple manager with his little head pats and back slaps to the crowd. They want someone that speaks in the same uneducated football cliches they do. They like that their mate of a mate was in the pub with him and got some juicy gossip.

Most of them need to go and support their local non-league team because that’s clearly what they want United to be.

The transition away from someone that has spent a decade making himself the centre of everything that happened at the club was always going to be painful. I’m glad we didn’t get promoted because it would have continued the crackpot short termism that sums up the Prince Abdullah / Wilder era.

 

[Montytheblade]

I think there's a lot of players that you've managed to block out of your memory. I checked, and found that back in 2021 a newspaper did a compilation after he signed for Boro (https://www.gazettelive.co.uk/sport...is-wilders-sheffield-united-signings-22153059).

1 Mark Duffy - good
2 Chris Hussey - shit
3 James Wilson - shit
4 John Fleck - good
5 Jack O’Connell - good
6 Jake Wright - good
7 Leon Clarke - good
8 Simon Moore - good
9 Caolan Lavery - shit
10 Reece Brown - ????
11 Samir Carruthers - Shit
12 Daniel Lafferty - good

13 James Hanson - Shit
14 Harry Chapman - shit
15 Ethan Ebanks-Landell - good
16 Joe Riley - ??
17 Jay O’Shea - ??
18 Richard Stearman - good
19 John Lundstram - Cunt
20 Cameron Carter-Vickers - Shit
21 Clayton Donaldson - Shit
22 Ben Heneghan - Shit
23 Ched Evans - shit
24 Jamal Blackman - Shit
25 Enda Stevens - good

26 James Wilson - shit
27 Lee Evans - shit
28 Ricky Holmes - shit
29 Ryan Leonard - shit
30 Dean Henderson - good
31 John Egan - good
32 David McGoldrick - good
33 Ben Woodburn - shit
34 Kean Bryan - shit
35 Oliver Norwood - good
36 Marvin Johnson - shit
37 Conor Washington - shit
38 Martin Cranie good
39 Kieran Dowell - shit (with the exception of the header)
40 Gary Madine - good
41 Scott Hogan - shit
42 Luke Freeman - shit
43 Phil Jagielka - shit
44 Callum Robinson - shit
45 Ravel Morrison - shit
46 Lys Mousset - good
47 Ben Osborn - good
48 Oli McBurnie - good
49 Muhamed Besic - shit
50 Michael Verrips - shit
51 Jack Rodwell - shit
52 Jack Robinson - good
53 Sander Berge - good
54 Richairo Zivkovic - shit
55 Panagiotis Retsos - shit
56 Wes Foderingham - shit
57 Aaron Ramsdale - shit
58 Max Lowe - shit
59 Jayden Bogle - Good
60 Oliver Burke - shit
61 Rhian Brewster - shit
62 Ethan Ampadu - shit

A lot of money wasted there. And that was before he went to Boro.

38 shit - 22 good. Given some of the goods, we're heros and unreal players.

 

[Davalon]

What really winds me up is the people saying that a foreign manager doesn’t work at United. WHY?

We are a football club there is nothing that makes us vastly different that only English managers can work.

The fact we've only had two in 136 years as well is hardly a sample size to come to that conclusion either.

Too many like their local up and at 'em comfort blanket.

 

[Nick Jansky]

The fact we've only had two in 136 years as well is hardly a sample size to come to that conclusion either.

Too many like their local up and at 'em comfort blanket.

Plucky little underdogs with a chip on their shoulder. British bulldog spirit? A lot of our lot are the Yorkshire Terriers of the football world. Game little fuckers but ultimately doomed to fail.