This proven Championship striker with pace

[Slim Man]

Agreed, but as you've written yourself, he's still needs testing to prove himself.
By Danny's reckoning Evans is proven in the Championship because of that one season with Norwich even though he's not got within a mile of it since.

Ridiculous notion. You know full well what I meant.

 

[1danewhitehouse]

Agreed, but as you've written yourself, he's still needs testing to prove himself.
By Danny's reckoning Evans is proven in the Championship because of that one season with Norwich even though he's not got within a mile of it since.

I think the Evans case is different largely because of his unique circumstances and his age compared to Abraham or Solanke. If we're talking young PL strikers, it's normal for them to be loaned to the championship and if they impress they move up. So the aim for us is to find the right one like Bristol did with Abraham who hasn't yet had that season in the championship. Danny things Solanke could be gettable on that basis. I don't necessarily agree (though I'm sure it wouldn't hurt to ask the question). I'm not agreeing with his assertion, just seeking to analyse the logic behind it and it has some merit based on the "proven in England" comments. I just think Solanke's stock is too high for him to be gettable for us. Thierry Ambrose has had mentions at City. I don't know if he would be gettable or if he's good enough. But there are bound to be some who fulfil that criteria. It's whether we can identify them and strike a deal to get them. I hope we can because I think it can be the difference between just staying up v having a strong season possible in the top half.

 

[I should coco]

Daryl Murphy is going to Forest for 2mil. He peaked late. He isn't a has been at all.

89 goals in 396 games, most of these coming in 2014/15. He really does look like one for the future. The only reason the Scabs are thinking about £2m is that they got a ludicrous £15m for Assombalonga.

Solanke on loan isn't unobtainable. You've probably never heard of him until this thread came along.

I heard of him a couple of weeks ago when I was astounded that Liverpool would pay so much for a Chelski kid who'd only been in one game.
One thing you can be sure is that after playing in the Dutch top league, he won't be loaned out to the hurly burly of the Championship anytime soon.

Ah, dodging the point. Brilliant. You have no idea as much as I what we can and can't spend on a striker.

What 'point'?

I agree we both have no real idea, but please don't try to suggest you are advancing some coherent string of arguments here.

I see you didn't mention Dicko in the unobtainables or has beens - since they're your two brackets. Where does he fit?

Dicko is contracted at Wolves until 2020 and I'd say 30 goals in 89 games would make him unobtainable on the grounds of price.

 

[Slim Man]

I think the Evans case is different largely because of his unique circumstances and his age compared to Abraham or Solanke. If we're talking young PL strikers, it's normal for them to be loaned to the championship and if they impress they move up. So the aim for us is to find the right one like Bristol did with Abraham who hasn't yet had that season in the championship. Danny things Solanke could be gettable on that basis. I don't necessarily agree (though I'm sure it wouldn't hurt to ask the question). I'm not agreeing with his assertion, just seeking to analyse the logic behind it and it has some merit based on the "proven in England" comments. I just think Solanke's stock is too high for him to be gettable for us. Thierry Ambrose has had mentions at City. I don't know if he would be gettable or if he's good enough. But there are bound to be some who fulfil that criteria. It's whether we can identify them and strike a deal to get them. I hope we can because I think it can be the difference between just staying up v having a strong season possible in the top half.

Tammy Abraham's stock with Chelsea was massive but he still got a move to Bristol City for a year.
I can sort of see why people think he might be unobtainable but I really don't agree. Liverpool have signed him for his long term impact, not what he can do this year. A year of first team football would be briliant for him. They have Firmino, Sturridge, Origi, Ings and now Solanke fighting for one position. Hell sometimes they don't even play a centre forward.

The only prem side I could see being after him is Huddersfield. But you can only loan one premier league club to premier league club and I think Danny Ward is a more suitable fit.

Theres Ambrose, Woodburn, Onomah, McBurnie at Swansea, off the top of my head - all which would benefit greatly from a Championship loan. We are a Championship club now, not league one anymore, this type of player is no longer pie in the sky. If they're gettable for Bristol City, they're gettable for us.

James Wilson - Man United. Probably needs to leave for the sake of his career, didn't do too badly at Brighton and got a knee injury while at Derby last year. Unlock his potential and we're laughing. There's plenty out there.

 

[Slim Man]

89 goals in 396 games, most of these coming in 2014/15. He really does look like one for the future. The only reason the Scabs are thinking about £2m is that they got a ludicrous £15m for Assombalonga.



I heard of him a couple of weeks ago when I was astounded that Liverpool would pay so much for a Chelski kid who'd only been in one game.
One thing you can be sure is that after playing in the Dutch top league, he won't be loaned out to the hurly burly of the Championship anytime soon.



What 'point'?

I agree we both have no real idea, but please don't try to suggest you are advancing some coherent string of arguments here.



Dicko is contracted at Wolves until 2020 and I'd say 30 goals in 89 games would make him unobtainable on the grounds of price.

Who mentioned him being one for the future? He's one for the here and now.

Precisely, so you've no idea whether he's gettable or not. Why not? Apart from Ajax, PSV and Feyenoord this divison is actually probably better.

Dicko last season scored 3 goals...

 

[1danewhitehouse]

Tammy Abraham's stock with Chelsea was massive but he still got a move to Bristol City for a year.
I can sort of see why people think he might be unobtainable but I really don't agree. Liverpool have signed him for his long term impact, not what he can do this year. A year of first team football would be briliant for him. They have Firmino, Sturridge, Origi, Ings and now Solanke fighting for one position. Hell sometimes they don't even play a centre forward.

The only prem side I could see being after him is Huddersfield. But you can only loan one premier league club to premier league club and I think Danny Ward is a more suitable fit.

Theres Ambrose, Woodburn, Onomah, McBurnie at Swansea, off the top of my head - all which would benefit greatly from a Championship loan. We are a Championship club now, not league one anymore, this type of player is no longer pie in the sky. If they're gettable for Bristol City, they're gettable for us.

James Wilson - Man United. Probably needs to leave for the sake of his career, didn't do too badly at Brighton and got a knee injury while at Derby last year. Unlock his potential and we're laughing. There's plenty out there.

Some potentially decent shouts there. I don't know enough about their individual strengths and weaknesses but players who have made something of a name for themselves at youth team level and might be ready for a season in the championship. Hopefully we can find the right one. Alternatively, I wouldn't be against us trying for a young quick forward from lower down who shows promise. I mentioned Kashket because I saw a little bit of him and was impressed by his pace and movement but again, I'm sure the scouts will know plenty more than me. Let's hope we can find one from somewhere to offer a new dynamic to our attack. Our strikers have their strengths but I'm not convinced we have that one that provides something from nothing and excites fans with direct running, pace, trickery etc. Lavery shows glimpses and the Evans of old, if he can ever get back there might do it but I have my reservations about both.

 

[Slim Man]

Some potentially decent shouts there. I don't know enough about their individual strengths and weaknesses but players who have made something of a name for themselves at youth team level and might be ready for a season in the championship. Hopefully we can find the right one. Alternatively, I wouldn't be against us trying for a young quick forward from lower down who shows promise. I mentioned Kashket because I saw a little bit of him and was impressed by his pace and movement but again, I'm sure the scouts will know plenty more than me. Let's hope we can find one from somewhere to offer a new dynamic to our attack. Our strikers have their strengths but I'm not convinced we have that one that provides something from nothing and excites fans with direct running, pace, trickery etc. Lavery shows glimpses and the Evans of old, if he can ever get back there might do it but I have my reservations about both.

I wouldn't be averse to that either. But there's more of them higher up than lower down.
Don't forget Adam Armstrong at Newcastle. He'll be getting loaned out again. Ivan Toney too, I like him. Can see him ending up somewhere like Bolton though.
Kashket, Billy Waters, there's a couple knocking about but not too many.

 

[BushBlade]

Shouldn't this thread be in the Rumours section under player suggestions? Or perhaps we can have a new section called 'I wank over Football Manager'?

 

[PeterNdlovu081]

Not in the league 1 league cup

Blackman scored for Derby in the Championship against Cardiff in a 2-0 win on 27 September 2016.

 

[Flatulent_Bob]

Ridiculous notion. You know full well what I meant.

I genuinely do not see a difference. Both have had one good season at the start of their careers yet you believe that TA is proven in England, hence my confusion.

James Wilson is a decent shout, but that's the first one I've seen that I think is possible.

 

[blade too long]

That 1 being on the list of doing it in the league below, also being the wrong side of 30. Also, I don’t think anyone is saying that a new striker should replace Sharp but would, in most people’s mind, partner him.

didnt a certain Rickie Lambert do that , lower league then boom

 

[blade too long]

But Blackman has played a huge chunk of those games as a winger as opposed to a striker. I remember you making the same ridiculous comparison between Porter and Murphy when we sold him. Though for what it’s worth, I agree. The Ched Evans of old would be a better option than Nick Blackman. When he was sent down and replaced by Blackman, we were worse off for it. BUT…. We’re not signing the Ched Evans of old. We’ve got the one who has suffered a 4 year enforced absence from the game. That has definitely taken it’s toll. We are all hoping that CW and his team can get him back to being the Evans of old but it’s a long shot.

again you could argue blackman suffered a couple of long breaks from the game , we sold him as a pen scoring forward, he was lucky that he was playing in a period where we got 8 penalties in 4 months
we had 3 all season under Adkins I believe

and ched has broken the 30 barrier in a season , he just need that service he didnt get at chesterfield

surely youd argue blackman would have got decent service at Derby but failed to score with enough opportunities

 

[1danewhitehouse]

didnt a certain Rickie Lambert do that , lower league then boom

He was in his late 20s when his career took off.

Sharp has always been a reliable goalscorer but doesn't necessarily have the tools to create for himself.

 

[1danewhitehouse]

1.again you could argue blackman suffered a couple of long breaks from the game ,


2. surely youd argue blackman would have got decent service at Derby but failed to score with enough opportunities

1. Has he? When?

2. Probably not as a winger as he would have been providing the service. And certainly not whilst sat on the bench.

 

[blade too long]

He was in his late 20s when his career took off.

Sharp has always been a reliable goalscorer but doesn't necessarily have the tools to create for himself.

was thinking more in terms of ched than billy

think Cheds got the ability to till do what Lambert did

 

[blade too long]

1. Has he? When?

2. Probably not as a winger as he would have been providing the service. And certainly not whilst sat on the bench.

never saw him as an out and out winger played from wide coming in, wingers never score goals thats why woodward was no good then

 

[1danewhitehouse]

was thinking more in terms of ched than billy

think Cheds got the ability to till do what Lambert did

I hope he does and wouldn't rule it out. But his fitness remains a massive question mark. Time will tell. Happy for us to take a chance on him. Would just also like another option.

 

[1danewhitehouse]

never saw him as an out and out winger played from wide coming in, wingers never score goals thats why woodward was no good then

I didn't say wingers don't score goals or Woodward was no good. I'm saying comparing a winger's strike rate to a strikers is nonsense. They're not judged on the same criteria.

 

[BusheyBlade]

Isn't it semantics though? Don't people say '30 goal striker' when they mean 'prolific'?

Potentially, they most likely mean "20 goal striker" but then still moan when said striker only scores 29

 

[1975 Blade]

How much would Clayton Donaldson cost 700 k is my guess would be worth 2 yr deal ?

Did I say £700 k wow

 

[jt64]

I wonder if Johnny Russell is available from Derby? Depends if he wants to carry on playing left wing rather than upfront for us.

His finish last week was good to be fair, gerrimin

 

[Slim Man]

His finish last week was good to be fair, gerrimin

I was half reyt