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Patrick Suffaux said:
Other than one season, yes that pretty much sums it up.

I'm just trawling through my memories of SUFC now.....that little shield was nice for finishing 2nd.
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Are you saying that all that matters to you is silverware and the final position in the table? Don't you enjoy any of the actual games, ever?
 
blade too long said:
well imagine being a 21 year old owls fan who started watching football in 2000-01 hes never seen a prem game , or even got close to getting there

theyve grown up being told they are massive but he has no idea why
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Why do my debates with you always go the same way? We always end up talking about another team or situation that bares no relevance or similarity to the original subject matter.

I agree it's terrible to be a pig supporter (achievements aside) but I can't see why you would bring that up.
 
Patrick Suffaux said:
I'm also interested to know whether anyone agrees that we should start thinking about next season (I'm talking about the fans, not the players and manager) and whether Adkins should and will be afforded that much time to see it through.

Thoughts?
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Can't help wondering if Adkins will want to stay around for that much time to see it through if it comes to a total rebuild. I think he will have come into this job thinking he was inheriting a squad that wasn't so far off given we did finish 5th last season.
 
WincobankBlade said:
Can't help wondering if Adkins will want to stay around for that much time to see it through if it comes to a total rebuild. I think he will have come into this job thinking he was inheriting a squad that wasn't so far off given we did finish 5th last season.
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I can't help but think he's tried to be more positive and attack minded with a team that isn't capable of going out to win games on the front foot.

I think Clough probably knew the capabilities of the side, hence tried to hold a deep defensive line and pinch games by the odd goal. In hindsight (and I didn't advocate getting rid) he probably didn't do a lot wrong.
 
Patrick Suffaux said:
Why do my debates with you always go the same way? We always end up talking about another team or situation that bares no relevance or similarity to the original subject matter.

I agree it's terrible to be a pig supporter (achievements aside) but I can't see why you would bring that up.
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because you go on like weve been pants for 40 years , despite us having a decent decade doing well in the championship constantly competing
 
we lost at crewe season before last 3-0 then went on a right run lets hope that happens again

won 9 on the trot 2 of first 3 which were cup games
and 2 of our next 3 are cup games
 
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blade too long said:
was told its worth the wait by a preston fan who had sat through 9 failures
eventually its got to happen

law of averages
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Someone has already mentioned Gambler's Fallacy.

However, I wouldn't rule it out. My view is on top of the obvious fact that you have to finish 3rd to 6th, you have to be in form and have goals in the side when the play offs come round.

In recent years, we have mainly been in mediocre or poor form and we always seem to have striking problems.

If Adkins can get us sorted and we are in form around May, we could well have goals in the side.

I still live in hope that some manager can manage the 3 play off games with the last one being a win.

UTB
 
blade too long said:
really , have you watched any play offs

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I've seen all of Sheffield United's play off finals - have you ?

Perhaps you can tell me how many goals we've scored in these finals.
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I've seen all of Sheffield United's play off finals - have you ?

Perhaps you can tell me how many goals we've scored in these finals.
 
UnitedBlade said:
I've seen all of Sheffield United's play off finals - have you ?

Perhaps you can tell me how many goals we've scored in these finals.
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Just ignore bladetoolong, he's a wind up. He has to be.

He's on here purely to get under the skin of rightly disgruntled fans.
 



barnyblade said:
Just ignore bladetoolong, he's a wind up. He has to be.

He's on here purely to get under the skin of rightly disgruntled fans.
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To be fair to BTL I admire his optimism and ability to look at the positives in every situation. I may present a counter view on many occasions but I'm sure I'd enjoy a beer or two and a chat with the feller - as I do with most Blades fans I meet. I just find it very very hard to feel confident and positive after 5 years in this division and what appears to be no prospect of getting out of it for at least another year.
It will take some phenomenal turn around from this point onwards - I just don't see us getting the quality of player to make that happen. The JTW will be too late.
 
blade too long said:
preston fans took some bookies to the cleaners then
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Not if they put their money on the first 8 efforts.

Don't mind me. I'm not wise beyond my years, but I've got the cynicism nailed on. In spite of that, I still expect us to make the play-offs this year, and there's always a chance.
 
On thinking about next season - yes we should always be thinking about next season but not at the expense of this season when there is still so much to play for. The playoffs are achievable this season and once there anything can happen.
On Adkins being afforded that much time - I can't see the board having the patience for a long term project of the type where we tank this season in order to bring some youngsters through for next season. This would be pointless anyway because said youngsters would be sold as soon as any premiership or championship team came sniffing around with a big cheque book.
 
We will make the playoffs, no danger, not because we're any good but just because me n u could manage the team into top 6 in this pub league, the only joke is were struggling in a pub league, so it seems unfair to slag em off..

This board are doing it on the cheap, it's blatantly obvious, player sales and minimal investment, hoping for a break, and sacking managers to appease fans..

Can we go up in the playoffs, not with mceverly, Collins, coutts, and Howard in the side, they'll cost us two goals in the final easily, and who's scoring three at Wembley, hmmmmmmm...

Ya never know....

Me, happy for another season down here and some major knobhead removal..

Ship out the has beens, start fresh with players who want it, journeymen with half a reputation need not apply....in Adkins we trust..
 
GRUMPY BLADE said:
One of yer posts will be right as well. :)
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mine are generally factually correct
I said wed be play offs last season and we were
its a surprise to me we are taking a bit longer to get out than I expected but still think we can make it
If we dont believe how are we going to transmit it onto the pitch
The players feel the belief from us
 
UnitedBlade said:
I've seen all of Sheffield United's play off finals - have you ?

Perhaps you can tell me how many goals we've scored in these finals.
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missed huddersfield one was working saw the bristol city palace burnley and wolves ones
but why do they carry such weight , next one will be its own game an individual day
I get lambasted for bringing up past results to show something positive and get told Im living in the past
somehow these are dragged up every argument , just remind me , werent they in the past too

we scored 3 on our last wembley visit , stopped the not scoring in big games theory Id say
 
Patrick Suffaux said:
My expectation level for this season is now a mid table finish. I don't expect everyone to agree with that but that's where I'm at and I've come to terms with it. I'm now thinking about how soon we can start to rebuild, moving the existing dross out and bringing proper players in.....

We have a goalkeeper, central defenders and central midfield players to replace. All key positions with quality in those areas in relatively short supply and highly priced across the 92 teams. The aim of this thread is to work out a realistic timescale to get shut of what we don't need and bring in what we do.

I'm also interested to know whether anyone agrees that we should start thinking about next season (I'm talking about the fans, not the players and manager) and whether Adkins should and will be afforded that much time to see it through.

Thoughts?
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We have to rebuild by tempting the cream of league 1 to join us, like Wolves did. It's no good getting ex premiership/championship players down into League 1, we have seen it's a different ball game in league 1, and for me, they're not up for the fight.

We have to go that extra mile and pay the going rate - not doing this is why we are where we are.
 
Patrick Suffaux said:
I can't help but think he's tried to be more positive and attack minded with a team that isn't capable of going out to win games on the front foot.

I think Clough probably knew the capabilities of the side, hence tried to hold a deep defensive line and pinch games by the odd goal. In hindsight (and I didn't advocate getting rid) he probably didn't do a lot wrong.
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I’d argue that he did plenty wrong in failing to assemble a squad capable of going out to win games on the front foot given the advantages in terms of resources he had over most of the division. Not saying he did everything wrong but his recruitment overall was poor. One stand out signing in Adams. Brayford is obviously quality but not really a find as we paid a fortune for him (though credit to Clough for identifying him as a youngster and recruiting him at Burton). Basham was a decent freeby and Freeman/K. Wallace/Done/Harris were decent enough bits of business. McNulty and Scougall were cheap players who have looked, in the most part average. J. Wallace as gamble that backfired. Higdon and Butler were disasters. Coutts has been largely disappointing. McGahey has failed to deliver on his potential as yet. Alcock mostly disappointing. McEveley is pants. JCR hit and miss.


I was largely on the fence as to whether he should go or not but can’t agree that he didn’t get a lot wrong. He also got some things very right such as the upturn in performance he brought out of Murphy, Flynn, Maguire, Doyle, Coady etc.
 
Large Mendonca said:
We have to rebuild by tempting the cream of league 1 to join us, like Wolves did. It's no good getting ex premiership/championship players down into League 1, we have seen it's a different ball game in league 1, and for me, they're not up for the fight.

We have to go that extra mile and pay the going rate - not doing this is why we are where we are.
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You're probably right
 
1danewhitehouse said:
I’d argue that he did plenty wrong in failing to assemble a squad capable of going out to win games on the front foot given the advantages in terms of resources he had over most of the division. Not saying he did everything wrong but his recruitment overall was poor. One stand out signing in Adams. Brayford is obviously quality but not really a find as we paid a fortune for him (though credit to Clough for identifying him as a youngster and recruiting him at Burton). Basham was a decent freeby and Freeman/K. Wallace/Done/Harris were decent enough bits of business. McNulty and Scougall were cheap players who have looked, in the most part average. J. Wallace as gamble that backfired. Higdon and Butler were disasters. Coutts has been largely disappointing. McGahey has failed to deliver on his potential as yet. Alcock mostly disappointing. McEveley is pants. JCR hit and miss.


I was largely on the fence as to whether he should go or not but can’t agree that he didn’t get a lot wrong. He also got some things very right such as the upturn in performance he brought out of Murphy, Flynn, Maguire, Doyle, Coady etc.
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He also took a team from the relegation zone to 5th in 18 months. I'm not really sure where the so called "resources" were. Other than the signings of Brayford and Done he was never given particularly significant funds for transfer fees.
 



Depends on the JTW but probably losing in the play-off semis.
 
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