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Inspired by the comments about last night’s game, Ollessendro brings to you the ‘we are not very good thread’.

It is like Ronseal: does exactly what it says on the tin. We are very fucking average. Far from being good.
I think most people have started to wake up and smell the coffee after 4 shocking draws against dire opposition and 2 unconvincing wins. Many predicted it after the end of last season and more are realising now. Yes there are plenty of clappers who will say we are undefeated, the team will gel, the division is not very good and la de da. But it is looking really bleak for us and I think we are staying in this division for at least another year (possibly a lot longer).

A bit like when we got beat by Burnley in 2009, I did not realise how momentous Simmo’s penalty miss was when I trooped away from Wembley. I was numb from a shocking, boring, cowardly and inept performance. I was fucked off at paying £65 to go to that shithole again and see us not score. I was thinking ahead to a summer without Sheffield United.
It did not come home to me in May 2009 when we bottled it that we had just been set back a number of years. A year in the Prem (however embarrassing under Blackwell) would have led to a large cash influx, parachute payments etc. It might have meant we could keep the two Kyle’s, the likes of Kilgallon etc. Instead we saw the squad completely dismantled. Hatchet job. The back 4 that was the best in the division was blown apart and the squad sold underneath King Kev. He was soon found out when he replaced them with dross.

Roll on 2012 and history is repeating itself. Not only the play off final (strikers being injured, not scoring, bottling it ….. losing) but the dismantling of a decent team. Just like in 2009, but now it is Wilson’s turn to see the team dismantled. 4 of his best 7 players gone. I have said it many times, but just look at Highbury’s key passes thread and the goals scored. Ched scored a hatful and created loads. Willo, Quin and Lowton all scored plenty and set up plenty. K Mac is in the same bracket, but is a different type of player. The other 2 in the magnificent 7 are centre backs.
The other worrying factor in this whole saga is Danny Wilson. Mr Wilson’s famous 2nd season syndrome. Jumped ship at the Dingles, sacked at Wednesday, MK Dons relegated, Swindon heading for the drop and he jumped ship, Hartlepool too. We’ve seen it all before. I was really impressed by the way he went about his business last year. Showed some balls taking the job, won a lot of fans over, turned winners into losers and played some excellent football. However he has had the rug pulled (bit like at Swindon) and now he is being found out. You can argue that he is working with a hand tied behind his back and he is. However his signings have been awful. His collection of shit left backs, Chris Porter, the umpteen strikers that are unproven or just not very good. McDonald is the only one who has had impact. Other than that he is lucky to have had Blackwell and ale house Micky’s signings to bail him out. He looks increasingly like a rabbit in the headlights. Last year his late substitutions and lack of Plan B were bailed out by quality, this year he has nowt.

Just take a second to think about it for a moment before you clappers start saying ‘Olle is back’ or whatever. Just look at our first team. It is not good enough. The back 4/5 is ok and K Mac and Doyle are decent. After that we’ve nowt. Flynn has had 2 good games in 14 months. Too lightweight. McAllister was not good enough for Shrewsbury, so he sure aint good enough for us. There’s so many strikers that Wilson does not know who to play. Only consistent factor is they are all shite. Cofie is ‘raw’, Blackman inconsistent, Cressy and Kitson past it and who is the other boy? Rubbish. Then we start looking at the squad players. Westlake is a Wycombe reject, Williams hopeless, none of the youngsters are good enough (though lord knows they cannot be worse than some of the dross playing at the moment) and Wilson has no faith in the likes of Philskirk, Tonne etc. We did not look very good in the first few games, but 2 red cards has left us terribly exposed.
At the moment teams are coming and parking the bus at BDTBL and taking a point. It is fairly straightforward for them, as we simply do not have the quality to break them down (unlike last season). Lord help us when teams realise how crap we are and start attacking us. Teams that come and take it to us will beat us.

So all together now boys and girls ‘we’re not very good, we’re not very good, we’re not very, we’re not very, we’re not very good!’
 



<< The other worrying factor in this whole saga is Danny Wilson. Mr Wilson’s famous 2nd season syndrome >>

Bristol City and Swindon both reached the play-offs in his second season. Barnsley finished 6th in his second season.
What syndrome? It seems to be a bit of a myth.
 
At the moment teams are coming and parking the bus at BDTBL and taking a point. It is fairly straightforward for them, as we simply do not have the quality to break them down (unlike last season). Lord help us when teams realise how crap we are and start attacking us. Teams that come and take it to us will beat us.

Except that when Bournemouth came to the lane and did this, we smashed 5 past them to their 3....I wish for more teams to come and have a go, it might open games up just how we want :)
 
1 defeat in 23, league games or half a season , unbeaten 6th yes we really are shit , wish we were as good as Portsmouth or Coventry who are setting this division alight

I do believe the table runs for 46 games , bit soon to write obituaries over this season
 
1 defeat in 23, league games or half a season , unbeaten 6th yes we really are shit , wish we were as good as Portsmouth or Coventry who are setting this division alight

I do believe the table runs for 46 games , bit soon to write obituaries over this season

the unbeaten run can only possibly start from this season...

And there was the small matter of losing a play off final
 
ON PENALTIES , LEAGUE GAMES OVER 90 MINUTES
lets compare our plight to Coventry, thats not doing well
Prestons took 15 months to just start looking like theyve grasped it
Tranmere and the like wont last 46 games
 
<< The other worrying factor in this whole saga is Danny Wilson. Mr Wilson’s famous 2nd season syndrome >>

Bristol City and Swindon both reached the play-offs in his second season. Barnsley finished 6th in his second season.
What syndrome? It seems to be a bit of a myth.
Will you stop letting facts get in the way of people posting bollocks :-)
 
ON PENALTIES , LEAGUE GAMES OVER 90 MINUTES
lets compare our plight to Coventry, thats not doing well
Prestons took 15 months to just start looking like theyve grasped it
Tranmere and the like wont last 46 games

We could compare ourselves to Gretna but it makes little difference what teams at the bottom of the league are doing. I gravely worried that our season hung on whether or not Ched was going to prison, but it looks like our immediate future hung on it. the playoff final set us back years.

I agree with Olly. If you're not worried we're going to be stuck in this division for years, Im not sure what itll take to worry you. we've played most of the bottom pile and not beaten them. Time for our reckoning. Good sides are going to do us.
 
ON PENALTIES , LEAGUE GAMES OVER 90 MINUTES
lets compare our plight to Coventry, thats not doing well
Prestons took 15 months to just start looking like theyve grasped it
Tranmere and the like wont last 46 games

Oh ok that's fine then, perhaps we should let the league and huddersfield fans know that game doesn't count as a win... In fact that's how they saw it the previous year....

Nope, sorry it was a defeated, we can't claim an unbeaten run in the league which ignores the defeats
 
Oh ok that's fine then, perhaps we should let the league and huddersfield fans know that game doesn't count as a win... In fact that's how they saw it the previous year....

Nope, sorry it was a defeated, we can't claim an unbeaten run in the league which ignores the defeats

The big difference being that Huddersfield lost 3-0 after 90 minutes in 2011.
 
<< The other worrying factor in this whole saga is Danny Wilson. Mr Wilson’s famous 2nd season syndrome >>

Bristol City and Swindon both reached the play-offs in his second season. Barnsley finished 6th in his second season.
What syndrome? It seems to be a bit of a myth.

I'll give you the Barnsley one. Where he took over and then took them up in the 2nd season (only to leave n the 3rd). Bristol also, where he stayed for 4 seasons (achieving nothing). However go back and check your facts and look at full seasons.

Sheffield Wednesday: 2nd season Wilson was sacked, with the Piggies heading towards relegation.

MK Dons went down in Wilson's 2nd full season.

Hartlepool: Wilson jumped ship halfway through his 2nd full season (hardly pulling up trees down in the bottom half)

Swindon: 2nd full season Wilson jumped ship (he was appointed in Dec 2008) with them flirting with relegation.

Anyone else see a pattern emerging? Wilson has a good first full season (or takes a couple to build up to) and then either gets sacked, jumps ship or gets relegated. The possible odd ones out are 2 of Wilson's first 3 clubs.

So go ahead and believe the 'facts' clappers. We're going up this season :rolleyes:
 
so wilson does well last season correct?? so he does the same this season and we haven't started so well, not his fault he has has to get rid of lots of goals from last season.
 
Oh ok that's fine then, perhaps we should let the league and huddersfield fans know that game doesn't count as a win... In fact that's how they saw it the previous year....

Nope, sorry it was a defeated, we can't claim an unbeaten run in the league which ignores the defeats
Huddersfield don't count their play off defeat in May 2011 when they are boasting about their 43 match unbeaten run between January 2011 and November 2011!
 



I'll give you the Barnsley one. Where he took over and then took them up in the 2nd season (only to leave n the 3rd). Bristol also, where he stayed for 4 seasons (achieving nothing). However go back and check your facts and look at full seasons.

Sheffield Wednesday: 2nd season Wilson was sacked, with the Piggies heading towards relegation.

MK Dons went down in Wilson's 2nd full season.

Hartlepool: Wilson jumped ship halfway through his 2nd full season (hardly pulling up trees down in the bottom half)

Swindon: 2nd full season Wilson jumped ship (he was appointed in Dec 2008) with them flirting with relegation.

Anyone else see a pattern emerging? Wilson has a good first full season (or takes a couple to build up to) and then either gets sacked, jumps ship or gets relegated. The possible odd ones out are 2 of Wilson's first 3 clubs.

So go ahead and believe the 'facts' clappers. We're going up this season :rolleyes:

Three out of his six previous clubs have improved their position in his second season as manager.
If you're looking for a pattern, you can't just ignore the seasons that don't match your theory.
 
Inspired by the comments about last night’s game, Ollessendro brings to you the ‘we are not very good thread’.

It is like Ronseal: does exactly what it says on the tin. We are very fucking average. Far from being good.
I think most people have started to wake up and smell the coffee after 4 shocking draws against dire opposition and 2 unconvincing wins. Many predicted it after the end of last season and more are realising now. Yes there are plenty of clappers who will say we are undefeated, the team will gel, the division is not very good and la de da. But it is looking really bleak for us and I think we are staying in this division for at least another year (possibly a lot longer).

A bit like when we got beat by Burnley in 2009, I did not realise how momentous Simmo’s penalty miss was when I trooped away from Wembley. I was numb from a shocking, boring, cowardly and inept performance. I was fucked off at paying £65 to go to that shithole again and see us not score. I was thinking ahead to a summer without Sheffield United.
It did not come home to me in May 2009 when we bottled it that we had just been set back a number of years. A year in the Prem (however embarrassing under Blackwell) would have led to a large cash influx, parachute payments etc. It might have meant we could keep the two Kyle’s, the likes of Kilgallon etc. Instead we saw the squad completely dismantled. Hatchet job. The back 4 that was the best in the division was blown apart and the squad sold underneath King Kev. He was soon found out when he replaced them with dross.

Roll on 2012 and history is repeating itself. Not only the play off final (strikers being injured, not scoring, bottling it ….. losing) but the dismantling of a decent team. Just like in 2009, but now it is Wilson’s turn to see the team dismantled. 4 of his best 7 players gone. I have said it many times, but just look at Highbury’s key passes thread and the goals scored. Ched scored a hatful and created loads. Willo, Quin and Lowton all scored plenty and set up plenty. K Mac is in the same bracket, but is a different type of player. The other 2 in the magnificent 7 are centre backs.
The other worrying factor in this whole saga is Danny Wilson. Mr Wilson’s famous 2nd season syndrome. Jumped ship at the Dingles, sacked at Wednesday, MK Dons relegated, Swindon heading for the drop and he jumped ship, Hartlepool too. We’ve seen it all before. I was really impressed by the way he went about his business last year. Showed some balls taking the job, won a lot of fans over, turned winners into losers and played some excellent football. However he has had the rug pulled (bit like at Swindon) and now he is being found out. You can argue that he is working with a hand tied behind his back and he is. However his signings have been awful. His collection of shit left backs, Chris Porter, the umpteen strikers that are unproven or just not very good. McDonald is the only one who has had impact. Other than that he is lucky to have had Blackwell and ale house Micky’s signings to bail him out. He looks increasingly like a rabbit in the headlights. Last year his late substitutions and lack of Plan B were bailed out by quality, this year he has nowt.

Just take a second to think about it for a moment before you clappers start saying ‘Olle is back’ or whatever. Just look at our first team. It is not good enough. The back 4/5 is ok and K Mac and Doyle are decent. After that we’ve nowt. Flynn has had 2 good games in 14 months. Too lightweight. McAllister was not good enough for Shrewsbury, so he sure aint good enough for us. There’s so many strikers that Wilson does not know who to play. Only consistent factor is they are all shite. Cofie is ‘raw’, Blackman inconsistent, Cressy and Kitson past it and who is the other boy? Rubbish. Then we start looking at the squad players. Westlake is a Wycombe reject, Williams hopeless, none of the youngsters are good enough (though lord knows they cannot be worse than some of the dross playing at the moment) and Wilson has no faith in the likes of Philskirk, Tonne etc. We did not look very good in the first few games, but 2 red cards has left us terribly exposed.
At the moment teams are coming and parking the bus at BDTBL and taking a point. It is fairly straightforward for them, as we simply do not have the quality to break them down (unlike last season). Lord help us when teams realise how crap we are and start attacking us. Teams that come and take it to us will beat us.

So all together now boys and girls ‘we’re not very good, we’re not very good, we’re not very, we’re not very, we’re not very good!’

Me and Swiss told you to watch the Olympics. If you had you'd have been far more chilled about our beloved Blades.
So whats to be done? Come have cup of tea with old boo on his patio while you admire his Pergola!
On the subject of the Ollempics. ME AND SWISS WITNESSED HISTORY.
 
Three out of his six previous clubs have improved their position in his second season as manager.
If you're looking for a pattern, you can't just ignore the seasons that don't match your theory.

Something doesn't quite add up there. See my previous post (you are essentially just ignoring the facts). After Wilson's has done a full season at 4 of his 6 clubs, his next season he has either got them relegated, been sacked or left. At the moment he is heading for the same with United (and only madmen would think otherwise).
 
and there ends reasoned debated with the word 'clappers' because someone dares to offer a differing point of view

Kettle and black barty owd boy. Says someone who said something about not letting the facts get in the way of bollocks.

Funny how you ignore the facts that I have lead out. 4 of the 6 clubs that Danny Wilson has managed have either been relegated, sacked him or he's quit after him being in charge for a full season. Hence Ollessendro's original claim about 2nd season syndrome.

At the end of the season when we finish mid table, of if/when Wilson quits or he is sacked beforehand, people will turn round and say 'Olle was right'. A little bit like they did about Beattie last season. That will leave Danny Wilson with a record of 5 out of 7 of his teams doing very badly after his first full season in charge. Olle will be saying 'I told you so' (again).
 
and you have totally missed the point of my last post. The term 'clappers' is childish and dis-respectful to peoples' opinions and turns debates into petty arguments. The same would apply if someone called you a 'slasher'
 
and you have totally missed the point of my last post. The term 'clappers' is childish and dis-respectful to peoples' opinions and turns debates into petty arguments. The same would apply if someone called you a 'slasher'

Coming from someone who alluded to a poster talking bollocks!?

How about we debate we I put? If you want to challenge me on any of the points (or claim the facts are not true) or sumert, then please go ahead.
 
Something doesn't quite add up there. See my previous post (you are essentially just ignoring the facts). After Wilson's has done a full season at 4 of his 6 clubs, his next season he has either got them relegated, been sacked or left. At the moment he is heading for the same with United (and only madmen would think otherwise).

I saw your post. You can't ignore December to May at Swindon because it doesn't suit your argument.
You can't just ignore him improving Barnsley and Bristol City in his second season either.
Your theory is half-baked and inaccurate and only a madman would think otherwise (sic)
 
Funnily enough, days after he joined the club I saw with my own eyes, a seasoned Blade posing a very similar set of "facts" and argument to the man himself.

Sadly, I can't remember all of the details of his answer and a fair few of them he asked to stay in the confines of the room, but suffice to say he convinced me that you had to add more "facts" to the "facts" at hand to get a fairer representation of the jobs he had to do.

The straight talking, seasoned blade in question was also convinced. Should I bump into you both at the same away match, I'll introduce the conversation ;)

PS - Can we cut out all the clapper, slasher and calling people out bollocks please? That way, there is a danger a decent well thought out debate might occur
 
I'll start joining you on the campaign when we're in the bottom 6 or so without a win in 8, until then i'm remaining a clapper
 
I saw your post. You can't ignore December to May at Swindon because it doesn't suit your argument.
You can't just ignore him improving Barnsley and Bristol City in his second season either.
Your theory is half-baked and inaccurate and only a madman would think otherwise (sic)

I am not ignoring Bristol and Barnsley. I have already said that. However I am stating full seasons. He took over a Swindon side struggling and saved them in those first few months. The he had a full season where he did pretty well. Before the 2nd (full season) syndrome.

He has had a full season at United and we are currently sitting in a worse position than last year and are highly likely to finish lower than 3rd. More evidence for my (half baked) theory.

We've had one 'good' season out of Wilson (all that any of his clubs have really ever got - perhaps with the exception of his first club over 15 years ago) and now we are on the decline (like most of his other clubs after that one good season).

Question for you sothall: Does Wilson's record give you genuine confidence that we will finish higher this season than we did last season?
 
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He looks increasingly like a rabbit in the headlights. Last year his late substitutions and lack of Plan B were bailed out by quality, this year he has nowt.

Just take a second to think about it for a moment before you clappers start saying ‘Olle is back’ or whatever. Just look at our first team. It is not good enough. The back 4/5 is ok and K Mac and Doyle are decent. After that we’ve nowt. Flynn has had 2 good games in 14 months. Too lightweight. McAllister was not good enough for Shrewsbury, so he sure aint good enough for us. There’s so many strikers that Wilson does not know who to play. Only consistent factor is they are all shite. Cofie is ‘raw’, Blackman inconsistent, Cressy and Kitson past it and who is the other boy? Rubbish. Then we start looking at the squad players. Westlake is a Wycombe reject, Williams hopeless, none of the youngsters are good enough (though lord knows they cannot be worse than some of the dross playing at the moment) and Wilson has no faith in the likes of Philskirk, Tonne etc. We did not look very good in the first few games, but 2 red cards has left us terribly exposed.
At the moment teams are coming and parking the bus at BDTBL and taking a point. It is fairly straightforward for them, as we simply do not have the quality to break them down (unlike last season). Lord help us when teams realise how crap we are and start attacking us. Teams that come and take it to us will beat us.


Ok Olle.....rabbit stuck in headlights? On what basis ? He picks the team that he thinks will win the game. What on earth are you talking about here ?

Last year- no plan B and late substitutions ?- the season we scored a shedload of goals,often switched to 4-3-3 and even used 4-5-1. In what way would earlier subs have made a difference last season?

Flynn two good games in 14 months ? Inconsistent last season but certainly had more than two good games...did you only see him play in two games?.

All the strikers are shite ? Cofe has potential and will be a good striker. Blackman will get between 15-20 goals in my opinion,Kitson,i beleive will turn into a good signing,Miller is yet to be seen and Porter is a good back up(as he showed in the play offs)

Westlake is a Wycombe reject? Didn't play for Wycombe as far as I am aware and aren't the majority of players a 'reject' at some stage

Williams hopeless? Not our best player but did well yesterday...currently a scapegoat(along with Hill)

Wilson no faith in Philliskirk,Tonne etc...maybe when he has seen them at U21 level he doesn't think they are good enough yet

Teams are parking the bus as they worried about our attacking threat. They obviously don't think we are poor. Yes we don't have the guile but last season we have Willo,Quinn and Ched for that and we cannot afford the approx £1,5mill to £2million per year wages to replace them.

In terms of facts,I think Sothall and Foxy have answered that sufficiently

We have no divine right to beat teams every week. All because we don't win does not mean we are poor. I'm not happy with the last two performances but I saw enough in terms of spirit at Scunny,and quality of football at Colchester in the first half to know that we aren't far off being a good side for this level
 
Ollessendro I think Wilsons 1st season at United has changed the opinions of a great number of us on here. That said, the way that we have had to go about the firesale this summer kind of makes the chances of a second season with a lower placing more likely.

But, we're not rolling over to teams so far, true we can only win/ draw against the opposition that the fixture computer puts in front of us and we probably haven't been tested yet... But let's see how things settle down.

Seems to me that there is more to come, but it's not the most positive start we've ever had despite being unbeaten so far.

The encouraging thing is that despite our so called awful start, we still sit in a reasonable position and should hell choose to freeze over anytime soon, then we're in a good position to take advantage of the league not actually appearing that strong.

If all else fails we can come back to your second season argument
 
. Olle will be saying 'I told you so' (again).

6 games in and you sound like you want us to fuck up, just to be proven right.

Your opening post states some facts/opinions that I agree with, however how you put them across is obviously just to wind people up and get a rise from them.

You spoil your own arguments at times....

What classes as 2nd season failure- relegation, mid table, playoff losing finalist with 90 odd points??
With the rug pulled from him I know it will be harder than last year, but for fucks sake, you'll be in the car park next!
 



well its the glass half full or half empty scenario

we are unbeaten , fact
we are dropping points against lowly sides one points out
doesnt every club.
and we are only dropping points to teams below us cos we are so high
sometimes you cant win
saying if Ched had played wed have won is pure conjecture, another fact is we lost more games with him in the team then when he wasnt
wednesday fans 2 weeks ago were on the way to champions league last week theyd down graded that to mid table security and after tonight they hope theyll stay up
Football as always is unpredictable
WILSON IS ADJUSTING THE SQUAD TO MEET THE FINANCIAL RESTRICTIONS WE ARE UNDER, A PERIOD OF ADJUSTMENT , AND AVOIDING DEFEAT WHILST DOING THAT IS COMMENDABLE
 

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