The Wage Structure

[Eric Cartman]

When have you watched Hogan? As most people know by now when a name pops up I trundle on over to Youtube and watch that player's highlights. Hogan's were really uninspiring (as were most of the players mentioned) but if you put a highlights clip together of Sharp or Clarke from last season, I'd be clapping like a seal if I thought we were going to sign them.

Hogan is a really good player. I saw him a lot for Rochdale and Brentford, not much for Villa admittedly but I know full well their style of football and why he didn’t score too many for them, no striker apart from Kodjia has and that was the season before last.

Take it from me, Scott Hogan is the very best we could afford on our budget.

 

[Harrisblade]

He doesn’t get less for being 33, he gets a wage of a player that we aren’t certain when his legs will go.

I don't think that would even be legal!
"We're not going to reward you for your outstanding work this season because you might not do it again next season"

 

[Eric Cartman]

I don't think that would even be legal!
"We're not going to reward you for your outstanding work this season because you might not do it again next season"

Footballers get paid less the older they get, it’s just a fact of life.

Peter Crouch will be on a lot less now than he was at Liverpool - due to his age.
Same with Defoe. Same with just about anyone who isn’t Messi/Ronaldo/Ibra/Rooney - those who are worth paying more for the shirt sales alone.

 

[Sean Thornton]

I don't think that would even be legal!
"We're not going to reward you for your outstanding work this season because you might not do it again next season"

The lower offer would likely be made after his existing contract had run out. How can that not be legal? It's not ongoing employment.

Bloody Hamas Blades....

 

[8lade]

Hogan is a really good player. I saw him a lot for Rochdale and Brentford, not much for Villa admittedly but I know full well their style of football and why he didn’t score too many for them, no striker apart from Kodjia has and that was the season before last.

Take it from me, Scott Hogan is the very best we could afford on our budget.

I've had a good look at him online and he looks a different player at Championship from League 1. I can't see how we can afford him, he cost Villa 9 million quid, even at a knock down price we will be miles away, they've turned down 5 million for Chester who also cost 9 million. In trouble they may be but like many other clubs in that situation seem to be defiantly hanging on to their players.

 

[1889]

Say, for example, our top wage for first team players is £12 pw and that all the first team are on this wage. If you increased out top wage to £20k it would cost us £4.5 million. And that's before signing one player.

......or paying appearance money and win bonuses

 

[Newbury Blade]

If we have a wage structure & budget that is comparable to the bottom five in the division/top 2 in League 1, and we continue to purchase players from League 1, due to the fact they are all we can afford, and despite CW & AK's best endeavors, we will over time increase the likelihood of ending up back in League 1. Our better players will leave, the ones that remain will age & retire and their places will be taken by Southend and Charlton's finest. Where once there was beauty, there will be decay.

I would much prefer the owner/s of the club come out in a public forum and admit this, as opposed to the annual nonsense that gets talked in the August & January transfer windows about money being available, and deals not getting over the line and nasty agents. Honesty & transparency.

Once again: Henderson is from Manchester United. Not League 1. You have no evidence at all that we are signing players from League 1.

 

[Jonboy60]

......or paying appearance money and win bonuses

This^. Surely they can put in place, bonuses for goals scored, assists, league positions. Finishing in the top 6 or automatic. If any of them are as good as they think they are, they’ll soon make more money on top of their basic.

 

[Nicolaus_Copernicus]

Once again: Henderson is from Manchester United. Not League 1. You have no evidence at all that we are signing players from League 1.

The last few signings we have made as a football club are: Henderson, although contracted at Man Utd he was L1 player last season and has only played at that level, Leonard was bought from a L1 club, Holmes was bought from a L1 club, Evans although contracted to wolves was playing for a L1 club, baldock was signed from a L1 club, lundstram was signed from a L1 and carruthers was signed from a L1 club. Admittedly, Stevens was signed from a L2 club and Blackman, although contracted to Chelsea had previously played for a L2 club.

But other the above mentioned examples, you are quite correct that I have no evidence that we are signing L1 players.

 

[blade too long]

The paranoia at this club is beyond belief. We go to Portugal for a jolly so not conducive to carry on business till Monday at the earliest and some are ringing social services claiming we've been abadonèd. The ridiculous theories are getting more fucking stupid by the minute. How many clubs conduct business from an Algarve airport. Wait till at least tuesday . Till they get back open mail and sort things out.
AND yet again I have to remind people it's Wilder who has repeatedly said he's after at least 2 championship top end players

Not the board. Our manager s words
So if we are being lied to it's Chris . Which I can't see

 

[Nicolaus_Copernicus]

The paranoia at this club is beyond belief. We go to Portugal for a jolly so not conducive to carry on business till Monday at the earliest and some are ringing social services claiming we've been abadonèd. The ridiculous theories are getting more fucking stupid by the minute. How many clubs conduct business from an Algarve airport. Wait till at least tuesday . Till they get back open mail and sort things out.
AND yet again I have to remind people it's Wilder who has repeatedly said he's after at least 2 championship top end players

Not the board. Our manager s words
So if we are being lied to it's Chris . Which I can't see

As much as I love CW, didn’t he say in the press/on radio that everyone was happy, no offers had been made and no one was leaving? A week later Brooks is sold and he’s then saying it was expected?

I’m not suggesting he’s lying btw, but top end championship footballers are on £40k a week and cost £10m+. Grabban, who I would suggest is above average is on that kind of wage and cost £6m, we can’t afford that. If we had money to spend, surely we would’ve signed Blackman on a permanent deal?

 

[S5Blade]

As much as I love CW, didn’t he say in the press/on radio that everyone was happy, no offers had been made and no one was leaving? A week later Brooks is sold and he’s then saying it was expected?

I’m not suggesting he’s lying btw, but top end championship footballers are on £40k a week and cost £10m+. Grabban, who I would suggest is above average is on that kind of wage and cost £6m, we can’t afford that. If we had money to spend, surely we would’ve signed Blackman on a permanent deal?

I know its a stretch, and I know its really difficult to understand, but, what if, just humor me for a second, I know its a stretch, BUT Wilder didnt want Blackman on a permanent deal? What if he was too expensive for a keeper of his talent in the eyes of wilder? What if Wilder preferred Henderson? What if a keeper isnt a position that Wilder thought it best to go and blow a huge chunk of our budget on?

 

[blade too long]

As much as I love CW, didn’t he say in the press/on radio that everyone was happy, no offers had been made and no one was leaving? A week later Brooks is sold and he’s then saying it was expected?

I’m not suggesting he’s lying btw, but top end championship footballers are on £40k a week and cost £10m+. Grabban, who I would suggest is above average is on that kind of wage and cost £6m, we can’t afford that. If we had money to spend, surely we would’ve signed Blackman on a permanent deal?

no he didnt he said he didnt want anyone to leave . But brooks agent turned his head. Once a player accepts 6 to 8 times as much money no one's going to persuade him to stay . Players say they are leaving to test themselves in the prem but it's 6k a week v 46k a week only a clown would turn it down. As to everyone else shipped out hed said they would be surplus . Or shipped out on loan for the good of both player and club., like for example Ched .He would not let him go out on loan if he didn't have plans for 2 new forwards. It's simple logic
Wilder has cleared the decks to make way for incoming

 

[McGrath]

Stating the bleeding obvious this thread ain't it

 

[Grizzly blade]

Well it’s good to see that the standard of Moron is still very high on this thread. The OP set the bar quite high but it’s good to see some folk challenging the OP’s authority in stupidity!!

So in all, according to the morons, it’s very simple.
The tight fisted club/owners of a club losing millions a year, need to increase spending significantly with no assurance that revenue will go up anywhere close to covering the increase in spending.
Good fucking plan!!!

That’s worked out well and been the solution for EVERY club that’s done it hasn’t it? I mean it worked well for Villa, Bristol, Leeds, Brentford, Sunderland....I could go on but got bored after 5 clubs I picked from the air without thinking. I’m sure those little piggies across the city were all very excited when their dumbass owner was pissing money up the wall in mega stars like Rhodes, Fletcher and Reach!! Worked out well for them.

Some of you need to get a fucking grip.

 

[Grizzly blade]

Hogan is a really good player. I saw him a lot for Rochdale and Brentford, not much for Villa admittedly but I know full well their style of football and why he didn’t score too many for them, no striker apart from Kodjia has and that was the season before last.

Take it from me, Scott Hogan is the very best we could afford on our budget.

Sorry Mr Cartman. I certainly won’t be taking anything from you judging by the standard intelligence you have provided so far.
If you think Scott Hogan is the very best United can afford on our budget then you are an idiot.
For a start, both Clarke and Sharp are better players, have a better scoring record and have done the job over many years while NEVER earning the ridiculous sums Villa chose to pay him.
If you don’t want to take this from me, take this from the Villa fan ST holder mate of mine...Hogan is poor to average. Out of his depth. Poor touch and lacks natural finishing ability.
He’s offered to give Hogan a piggy back to any club in the land.

My advice to you, is to leave the player recruitment to those who know what they are talking about. Hogan May do a job for us. But not on the salary he thinks he’s worth, but the salary WE think he’s worth.
If he doesn’t like that, then we move into other targets.
That’s football done the RIGHT way, not the piggy, sunland, Villa etc etc way!!

 

[Houston_Blade]

If the extra wages guaranteed us promotion I'd agree, but they won't so I'd prefer us to continue and try and run in a slightly sustainable manner, hopefully with the owners chipping in for the annual losses like they are currently. I really don't see the point in us not having a club in 5 years due to the "I want it all and I want it now" brigade getting what they want.

 

[Newbury Blade]

The last few signings we have made as a football club are: Henderson, although contracted at Man Utd he was L1 player last season and has only played at that level, Leonard was bought from a L1 club, Holmes was bought from a L1 club, Evans although contracted to wolves was playing for a L1 club, baldock was signed from a L1 club, lundstram was signed from a L1 and carruthers was signed from a L1 club. Admittedly, Stevens was signed from a L2 club and Blackman, although contracted to Chelsea had previously played for a L2 club.

But other the above mentioned examples, you are quite correct that I have no evidence that we are signing L1 players.

You have given evidence that we have signed L1 players in the past.
I asked for evidence, apart from the half-baked rumours on here, that we are shopping in that market now. There isn't any.

 

[1889]

This^. Surely they can put in place, bonuses for goals scored, assists, league positions. Finishing in the top 6 or automatic. If any of them are as good as they think they are, they’ll soon make more money on top of their basic.

The first team already get win bonuses and appearance money, which rises and falls dependant on league position. Plus bonuses for promotion.

It didn't help last season

 

[I should coco]

It needs upping. Simple as that.

Spending someone else's money is easy. Simple as that.

I’m fed up of using excuses, pay the going rate and give us half a chance this season

I'm getting pretty fed up of pointing that we currently lose money. Higher wages will simply mean bigger annual losses.

So what funds the losses that stem from this wonderful plan of yours?

Is it something big and tree shaped, with bags of gold hanging down?

 

[Eric Cartman]

Spending someone else's money is easy. Simple as that.



I'm getting pretty fed up of pointing that we currently lose money. Higher wages will simply mean bigger annual losses.

So what funds the losses that stem from this wonderful plan of yours?

Is it something big and tree shaped, with bags of gold hanging down?

We've just recieved a structured payment of £12,000,000.

 

[Sean Thornton]

We've just recieved a structured payment of £12,000,000.

Agreed staggered payments may not coincide with cash flow needs as it's likely we are still losing £5m+ a year.

 

[I should coco]

We've just recieved a structured payment of £12,000,000.

Of which we understand we get about £4m this summer.

With our two Great Leaders fiddling wile Rome burns so not putting anything else in, that £4m will just about cover this year's losses.

Bugger left for pay rises and doubles all round, I'm afraid.

 

[Eric Cartman]

Sorry Mr Cartman. I certainly won’t be taking anything from you judging by the standard intelligence you have provided so far.
If you think Scott Hogan is the very best United can afford on our budget then you are an idiot.
For a start, both Clarke and Sharp are better players, have a better scoring record and have done the job over many years while NEVER earning the ridiculous sums Villa chose to pay him.
If you don’t want to take this from me, take this from the Villa fan ST holder mate of mine...Hogan is poor to average. Out of his depth. Poor touch and lacks natural finishing ability.
He’s offered to give Hogan a piggy back to any club in the land.

My advice to you, is to leave the player recruitment to those who know what they are talking about. Hogan May do a job for us. But not on the salary he thinks he’s worth, but the salary WE think he’s worth.
If he doesn’t like that, then we move into other targets.
That’s football done the RIGHT way, not the piggy, sunland, Villa etc etc way!!

I'm the idiot, coming from someone who thinks 2 33 year olds would be better than a player with the kind of ability that teams were willing to pay 8 figures for only 2 years ago. He scored 7 in 7 in his first season in the championship following an injury and then 14 by January the year after - this is WHY they were willing to pay what they paid. And he lacks natural finishing ability? Eh?

Name me one striker who's looked impressive for Villa? They even managed to ruin Ross McCormack who is the top scorer in Championship history. Grabban scored more for Sunderland than Villa.

Scott Hogan is the very best we could afford on OUR budget. if you have any other suggestions, and I assume you don't, I'd love to hear them.

 

[Eric Cartman]

Of which we understand we get about £4m this summer.

With our two Great Leaders fiddling wile Rome burns so not putting anything else in, that £4m will just about cover this year's losses.

Bugger left for pay rises and doubles all round, I'm afraid.

So... and here's an idea... we structure the payments similarly to every other club in the land. In installments.

 

[Sean Thornton]

So... and here's an idea... we structure the payments similarly to every other club in the land. In installments.

Cash flow requirements aren't going to be on the same time scale as every other club. If the £4m we've got covers fees and new wages, and the club is losing £5m pa and the next payment isn't due for six months, there's a possible shortfall of £2.5m. ( for a simple example).

 

[Maidenhead]

Spending someone else's money is easy. Simple as that.



I'm getting pretty fed up of pointing that we currently lose money. Higher wages will simply mean bigger annual losses.

So what funds the losses that stem from this wonderful plan of yours?

Is it something big and tree shaped, with bags of gold hanging down?

No.

It's an academy that produces good young players with potential.

Allows us to sell them for decent fees with sell on clauses.

Oh hang on, we don't like that either do we?

Cake and eat it anyone?

 

[snootyfenooty]

I'm the idiot, coming from someone who thinks 2 33 year olds would be better than a player with the kind of ability that teams were willing to pay 8 figures for only 2 years ago. He scored 7 in 7 in his first season in the championship following an injury and then 14 by January the year after - this is WHY they were willing to pay what they paid. And he lacks natural finishing ability? Eh?

Name me one striker who's looked impressive for Villa? They even managed to ruin Ross McCormack who is the top scorer in Championship history. Grabban scored more for Sunderland than Villa.

Scott Hogan is the very best we could afford on OUR budget. if you have any other suggestions, and I assume you don't, I'd love to hear them.

You're wasting your time. Simply by pointing out that our strike force has a combined age of 66 you are a pig in disguise, you're a Billy/Leon hater and don't trust Wilder. Oh and I forgot, you have an agenda. When we are bottom by Christmas and you raise this point again, the reply will be something along the lines of "aye but if it weren't for Billy's 4 goals, we'd be even further adrift at the bottom".

 

[Maidenhead]

I'm the idiot, coming from someone who thinks 2 33 year olds would be better than a player with the kind of ability that teams were willing to pay 8 figures for only 2 years ago. He scored 7 in 7 in his first season in the championship following an injury and then 14 by January the year after - this is WHY they were willing to pay what they paid. And he lacks natural finishing ability? Eh?

Name me one striker who's looked impressive for Villa? They even managed to ruin Ross McCormack who is the top scorer in Championship history. Grabban scored more for Sunderland than Villa.

Scott Hogan is the very best we could afford on OUR budget. if you have any other suggestions, and I assume you don't, I'd love to hear them.

You're trying very hard Mr Hogan and you've definitely made a case for yourself but unfortunately the numbers don't stack up so you haven't got the job.

I'm afraid you will have to look elsewhere.

 

[Houston_Blade]

Cash flow requirements aren't going to be on the same time scale as every other club. If the £4m we've got covers fees and new wages, and the club is losing £5m pa and the next payment isn't due for six months, there's a possible shortfall of £2.5m. ( for a simple example).

Are you really going to attempt to explain the "cash v profit" paradox on here? Just accept that we've only received £4m for Brooks and the rest was all made up nonsense, it will be easier in the long run.