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Sharrowblade said:
CW is in the know regarding our players. I heard him say on saturday ' its a big job, we've got some really s**t players' or worse to that effect. I think thats a fairly accurate summary of our squad
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It's a Bullseye ;)
 
But just how feasible is it to release most, if not all, of the team? Is it possible to recruit and sign enough players in the summer to allow him to do it - and how much balls does it take to do it before you've got the signings lined up? Under Adkins, I was sure it wouldn't happen. Now I've no idea.
 
Hamburg Blade said:
But just how feasible is it to release most, if not all, of the team? Is it possible to recruit and sign enough players in the summer to allow him to do it - and how much balls does it take to do it before you've got the signings lined up? Under Adkins, I was sure it wouldn't happen. Now I've no idea.
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It depends. If we stick to our goal of having around 20 first team players, I think if we keep a keeper on and release the rest we'd already be up to 15 players based on the squad in the pinned contract thread (which doesn't include some of the young players included on the bench towards the end of the season). So that would mean signing 5.

Given we need to really shift on others still in contract though, we'd perhaps need more than 5 to get us to that vibrant energetic powerful squad of 20.
 
Hamburg Blade said:
But just how feasible is it to release most, if not all, of the team? Is it possible to recruit and sign enough players in the summer to allow him to do it - and how much balls does it take to do it before you've got the signings lined up? Under Adkins, I was sure it wouldn't happen. Now I've no idea.
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It's very feasible to release most of the team and get in enough replacements if you run your transfer business in a professional manner.

Whether we are capable of this, I do not know.
 
Funny how they always emphasise winning games of football. I'm not sure what other games they play there, netball, tiddlywinks, cluedo?
 
The more I listen to us "being surprised by who is staying and who is going", the more I think we should set the expectation that only two or maybe three will come in, that we are selling off at least one player of value (or potential value in Che Adams), and that some players (who we want rid of) will be offered a new deal on lesser terms/money, because it is a cheap option.

On saying that, I am really hoping that Wilder and Knill had already done a ton a scouting, in the run up to promotion with the Cobblers (great name, always makes me think of old man Steptoe), and have a list of cheap, free, unearthed non-league gems, whatever you want to call them.
 
northsomersetblade said:
Funny how they always emphasise winning games of football. I'm not sure what other games they play there, netball, tiddlywinks, cluedo?
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Agree mate, I am sure every player wants to be in the team that wins, no one wants to go out and lose a game of football
 
Grappler said:
The more I listen to us "being surprised by who is staying and who is going", the more I think we should set the expectation that only two or maybe three will come in, that we are selling off at least one player of value (or potential value in Che Adams), and that some players (who we want rid of) will be offered a new deal on lesser terms/money, because it is a cheap option.

On saying that, I am really hoping that Wilder and Knill had already done a ton a scouting, in the run up to promotion with the Cobblers (great name, always makes me think of old man Steptoe), and have a list of cheap, free, unearthed non-league gems, whatever you want to call them.
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It's a bit of an ironic change of squad he has to work with - from the cobblers, to a load of old cobblers
 
I cant see anyway McEverley been retained now, after having the captaincy taken from him, he will be gutted. its time for him to move on.
Although loads of players are not going to be offered new deals, we will have what will be like three new signings in Freeman, Scougall and McNulty. These players are all good young players who are still under contract for next season. They have have had their confidence drained away by Adkins, before been dispatched out on loan. Its a new start for these players under a new manager, who may well want to get them back into the squad. They will hopefully will be busting a gut to get back involved and will see this as a new start.
Freeman for me was very harshly treated by Adkins. He was probably our best defender early in the season and fits the bill as the type of player CW wants, being young and energetic. Yes we have good academy players, however Freeman, Scougall and McNulty are good young players that have experience of first team football. All three look miles ahead of the likes of Whiteman, DCL and others that I have seen from the academy.
I personally would give a new deal to McGahey, another young player not given a chance by Adkins. He dropped him after he had done nothing wrong. He looked like he had improved to me and has the potential to become a regular, if given the chance. Yes, we need two big cente backs, however he should be retained and if he breaks into the team kept in. Although I rate Kennedy, McGahey does not have the same injury problems that Kennedy has, so may be the better option of the two, if one is to be retained.
 



I would wait a couple of weeks, and give the lads that are not wanted one more training session .........................

And release the Peregrins on em .............................
 
LoughboroBlade said:
It depends. If we stick to our goal of having around 20 first team players, I think if we keep a keeper on and release the rest we'd already be up to 15 players based on the squad in the pinned contract thread (which doesn't include some of the young players included on the bench towards the end of the season). So that would mean signing 5.

Given we need to really shift on others still in contract though, we'd perhaps need more than 5 to get us to that vibrant energetic powerful squad of 20.
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Don't think it's that many Loughboro. By my reckoning, we've got 12 definitely contracted first teamers plus 5 U21s, 2 optional extensions and 1 likely to sign. Of the 10 contracted 1st teamers, I wouldn't be surprised to see two (Woolford and Freeman) move on as it's not worked out for either here while I can see leftfield preseason training offers for Cuvelier and Kennedy (1) and an extension for Campbell-Ryce (2).

0 GKs:
3 Def: Brayford, Freeman*, Wallace
5 Mid: Woolford*, Coutts, Reed, Basham, Scougall
4 Fwd: Sharp, Adams, Done, McNulty

2 Options: Flynn, McGahey
1 Likely: Long

5 U21s: Calvert-Lewin, Whiteman, De Girolamo, Brooks
5 U18s: Ramsdale, Crofts, Kelly, Gordon, Semple

Released: Howard, McEveley, Kennedy(1), McFadzean, Cuvelier(1), Baxter, Willis, Wallace J, Campbell-Ryce(2), Harris
End of loan: Edgar, Hammond, Sammon, Baptiste
 
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Balham Blade said:
Don't think it's that many Loughboro. By my reckoning, we've got 12 definitely contracted first teamers plus 5 U21s, 2 optional extensions and 1 likely to sign. Of the 10 contracted 1st teamers, I wouldn't be surprised to see two (Woolford and Freeman) move on as it's not worked out for either here while I can see leftfield preseason training offers for Cuvelier and Kennedy (1) and an extension for Campbell-Ryce (2).

0 GKs:
3 Def: Brayford, Freeman*, Wallace
5 Mid: Woolford*, Coutts, Reed, Basham, Scougall
4 Fwd: Sharp, Adams, Done, McNulty

2 Options: Flynn, McGahey
1 Likely: Long

5 U21s: Calvert-Lewin, Whiteman, De Girolamo, Brooks
5 U18s: Ramsdale, Crofts, Kelly, Gordon, Semple

Released: Howard, McEveley, Kennedy(1), McFadzean, Cuvelier(1), Baxter, Willis, Wallace J, Campbell-Ryce(2), Harris
End of loan: Edgar, Hammond, Sammon, Baptiste
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I was counting DDG, DCL and Whiteman in the total given they have at least some albeit small amount of first team experience, but take your point. It all boils down to whether Wilder is confident on being able to bring in a large number of new players. The greater the number retained, the less confident he'll be in my opinion.

Cuvelier I suspect might have been a left-field Adkins decision to retain given his comments on him this season. Wouldn't have been something I agreed with at all had he done so either...
 
PeteBlade said:
People seem happy with how he interviews, and thats the main thing obviously...


What disturbs me is more fans suggesting that we need to keep the same set of players and that they were simply 'mismanaged'.

Most need to go.
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You can tell which posters have paid for a players name on their shirt can't you!
 
I'm inclined to think that it might actually be more brutal than was first imagined.

Initially Adkins had to look at the 21 out of contract players and decide who he would be keeping with most of us concluding not many.(Out: Howard, Willis, Harris, McEveley, Kennedy, McGahey, Evans, Banton, Cuvelier, Wallace J, Heh, Maw, Flynn, Campbell-Ryce, Hamilton, McDonagh, McFadzean, Coustrain, Baxter, Cockerline, In: Long). There's only a few outs that could make any sort of case to be an in and even so it would only be as squad players. He might want to avoid having to get himself a 4th choice centre back and reconsider one of the young lads for instance or given we now have no wingers, he might want to keep one of Campbell-Ryce or Flynn as back up instead of having to recruit 3 instead of 2 wide players.

Adkins has in all likelihood done the interviews before he got sacked. What is there left for Wilder to do? If he agrees then he has no need to speak further with them. If he needs to call someone to retain then, not much needs to be done. Offer same or reduced terms and you can publish that they either accepted or they are considering. It needn't delay the list.

To me, when he said no fannying about, the next part was that he would be very straight and if people were not in his plans he would tell them. That insinuates that there will be players who are in contract that he simply doesn't rate and he'll either be pushing for their early release or he'll be agreeing to list them. Players in danger in my opinion would be: Freeman, Wallace K, Woolford, Coutts, Scougall, McNulty, Diego.

Not much time to wait anyway. He needs everyone pulling in the same direction and being a Unitedite, I can see him managing the club's money as if it were his own. Something Adkins nor Clough can claim given the former recruited expensively from the league above and the latter recruited in unnecessarily copious amounts.
 
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http://www.s24su.com/forum/index.ph...nited-first-team-squad-contracts.39908/page-3

As per the running contracts thread started by Foxy , I tend to agree with Balham Blade 's list.

We all know that generally the squad needs to be 'leaner and meaner' so it wouldn't surprise me if they all left with the possible exceptions of McEveley and MacGahey simply because we'd have too few defenders. MacGahey can't be on much and is still young so maybe worth hanging onto. He's taken the captaincy from McEveley which seems to suggest he'll probably leave but I think it would be worth hanging onto him for another season for cover/experience.
 
Champagneblade said:
I'm inclined to think that it might actually be more brutal than was first imagined.

Initially Adkins had to look at the 21 out of contract players and decide who he would be keeping with most of us concluding not many.(Out: Howard, Willis, Harris, McEveley, Kennedy, McGahey, Evans, Banton, Cuvelier, Wallace J, Heh, Maw, Flynn, Campbell-Ryce, Hamilton, McDonagh, McFadzean, Coustrain, Baxter, Cockerline, In: Long). There's only a few outs that could make any sort of case to be an in and even so it would only be as squad players. He might want to avoid having to get himself a 4th choice centre back and reconsider one of the young lads for instance or given we now have no wingers, he might want to keep one of Campbell-Ryce or Flynn as back up instead of having to recruit 3 instead of 2 wide players.

Adkins has in all likelihood done the interviews before he got sacked. What is there left for Wilder to do? If he agrees then he has no need to speak further with them. If he needs to call someone to retain then, not much needs to be done. Offer same or reduced terms and you can publish that they either accepted or they are considering. It needn't delay the list.

To me, when he said no fannying about, the next part was that he would be very straight and if people were not in his plans he would tell them. That insinuates that there will be players who are in contract that he simply doesn't rate and he'll either be pushing for their early release or he'll be agreeing to list them. Players in danger in my opinion would be: Freeman, Wallace K, Woolford, Coutts, Scougall, McNulty, Diego.

Not much time to wait anyway. He needs everyone pulling in the same direction and being a Unitedite, I can see him managing the club's money as if it were his own. Something Adkins nor Clough can claim given the former recruited expensively from the league above and the latter recruited in unnecessarily copious amounts.
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Top post. Can't disagree with any of that. Unless Woolford has done intensive training with Brazil I think he needs to just be paid off and join Hammond at somewhere like Wrexham. Tries hard but just past it. McNulty has to be given another chance he's one of the few that can finish and I I don't get why Adkins bombed him out, he should have played him more.
 
PeteBlade said:
People seem happy with how he interviews, and thats the main thing obviously...


What disturbs me is more fans suggesting that we need to keep the same set of players and that they were simply 'mismanaged'.

Most need to go.
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I've not seen many (any?) fans suggesting that we NEED to keep the same set of players, just that it's a far more complex issue than "retaining George Long and then just rebuilding the squad".
 



It's not worked for him for 2/3rds of this season and he's clearly devoid of confidence and even struggled at pompey but there's a player in Freeman. He was one of our only sparks early season and for me has been better than the beard in their second spells here.

Pointless getting rid of him when our replacement won't be much if any better. Keep him, play him in pre season, rebuild his confidence.
If McNulty is willing to shed the losers he calls his mates it's the same for him. Except he was never devoid of confidence, just had an inflated ego.

I've said my peace on McNulty before, but they are two I am willing to give a clean slate to, we're losing enough of the losers to take a risk on two young lads. They just need direction.

Good squad players and cut's unnecessary extra work, WIlder's got his hands full as it is!
 
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