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Barney said:
Here’s a breakdown of the last few seasons:

2016/2017

In Wilder’s first season fans were told he was to work with a ‘reduced budget’. Many will remember that quote. Even the best can struggle if the budget isn’t right, yet we chose to add additional risk and not provide a top 2 budget to make absolutely sure of promotion. Thanks to Wilder, it clearly ended up not being a problem. The point however, is that the club could not foresee this and to have had so much riding on managerial ability was unnecessarily risky.

2017/2018

We had an active January window, which I praised at the time. Overall though, spendings on incomings did not appear to come close to the money received, which due to the Walker and Maguire sell on fees was if I’m not mistaken widely accepted to be in the region of £7m.

2018/2019

Although we’ve not yet come to the end of the summer transfer window, as of now we’ve sold Brooks for £12-15m and brought in the following:

Egan - £4.5m (or thereabouts)
Henderson - Loan
Woodburn - Loan
McGoldrick - Free
Bryan - Free

So that’s £7.5-10.5m left and that’s just the Brooks money, without taking in to account whatever we were prepared to spend in the first place. Despite the summer transfer window having not yet closed, I don’t hold out much hope that enough of this will be spent.

Two major points:

1 - We sell our best players too soon. Yes, on the occasion it is right to allow a player to fulfil ambitions of playing in the premier league. One thing for certain is that the way teams get to the premier league in the first place is by keeping hold of players capable of helping them get there. The interests of the club matter more than the career of one player.

2 - When we do sell our best players, or receive sell on money, what we spend in terms of incomings never seems to get close enough to that which is coming in for outgoings. This clearly suggests that the left over may be going on covering losses. In that instance, naturally it means less investment on the whole as not only is money received being used to cover the budget, but also some losses.

If indeed this is the case, windfalls should not be used to decrease what is needed in terms of the pre-agreed monetary input for both losses and transfer budget. It’s extra, unexpected money that in my opinion, ought to be put straight into transfer incomings while investments on both losses and the original budget should remain as planned prior to the player sale/sell on.

Sadly, I can’t see any improvements in these areas, especially given the legal battle presumably still ongoing. The only hope is that Wilder can turn things round in a similar fashion to how he did after a few bad results in his first season. He isn’t beyond criticism though and his decision making has been off for both games now.

Most of the players have also had a couple of awful games, but that’s going to happen when the real problem from higher up means that the players we have are probably nowhere near the quality that Wilder wants.
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Let me break this lot down - WE SELL OUR BEST PLAYERS , end .
 
Topplayersleave said:
At the time we were in a great position to replace Coutts, anybody would have come here if we'd paid them enough wages (In other words a SPINE)

I'm actually doing Barcelona a disservice as well. Messi is replaceable, as we'll find out in the next 5 years. They've probably got another half dozen Messi's already between their under 8's up to under 18's (SCOUTING)

The reason their scouting works is because they have a style of play that the scouts are under orders to find players to fit into

They don't see a player and think "He's a good no nonsense, bruising centre half, he might not tick all the boxes regarding what we're trying to achieve but he's nice and cheap" like some football clubs not a million miles away
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So you keep saying. Who? Who as good for £2m.
 
itsinyerblood said:
That's referred to as a backhanded compliment. So you don't accept that Coutts, Fleck, or Duffy are good players? Further evidence of your own myopic vision.
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No, they're average, very average in the whole scheme of things
Not even internationals
They're the best we've got, which ain't saying much
 
Sean Thornton said:
So you keep saying. Who? Who as good for £2m.
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Where's two million come from
I said we could have replaced him for a couple of million, it wasn't a definite £2 million, it was to say he could have been replaced and it wouldn't have cost a fortune.
Somebody on here saying Coutts is worth £15 million is smoking some serious stuff, if he'd not got injured and somebody had offered us £3 million in January he'd have been wrapped up, packaged and shipped out
Swansea will find a replacement next time they sell a player, Brentford will next time they sell a player, and they'll have the bottle to see it through
 
itsinyerblood said:
That's referred to as a backhanded compliment. So you don't accept that Coutts, Fleck, or Duffy are good players? Further evidence of your own myopic vision.
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Wilder doesn’t seem to rate Duffy either which is quite incredible after his last two seasons, in fact it’s a complete joke.
 
Topplayersleave said:
Where's two million come from
I said we could have replaced him for a couple of million, it wasn't a definite £2 million, it was to say he could have been replaced and it wouldn't have cost a fortune.
Somebody on here saying Coutts is worth £15 million is smoking some serious stuff, if he'd not got injured and somebody had offered us £3 million in January he'd have been wrapped up, packaged and shipped out
Swansea will find a replacement next time they sell a player, Brentford will next time they sell a player, and they'll have the bottle to see it through
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£3m then. Who could we have gone for and would have got, as good as him, for £3m?
 
One thing that came out on the Sky Red Button commentary yesterday ....

We have just spent or agreed to a package worth £4m for Egan

Over 20 years ago Boro' paid £7m for Ravanelli ..... yes folks, we are over 20 years behind Middlesborough :eek:
 
Sean Thornton said:
£3m then. Who could we have gone for and would have got, as good as him, for £3m?
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It doesn't matter who I say
He'll not be as good as Coutts
He'll not be an exact prototype of Coutts
He'll not be cheap enough
His wages will be too high (which was my point anyway)
 
Worksop II said:
One thing that came out on the Sky Red Button commentary yesterday ....

We have just spent or agreed to a package worth £4m for Egan

Over 20 years ago Boro' paid £7m for Ravanelli ..... yes folks, we are over 20 years behind Middlesborough :eek:
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It'll be about 800 years behind Boro by the time we pay £7 million for a footballer

You can get them much cheaper than that you know
 
Sean Thornton said:
So you keep saying. Who? Who as good for £2m.
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I can't be bothered to go through my personal databases of players, but from the Dutch leagues, off the top of my head: Clint Leemans (Dutch, 22 yrs old), Simon Gustafson (Swedish, 23 yrs old) and Morten Thorsby (Norwegian, 22 yrs old). All speak english, all would fit into our 'culture' and scouting them would cost a return ticket from Hull to Rotterdam (or anywhere). The Dutch blades will vouch for them. ;)
 
Nicolaus_Copernicus said:
I can't be bothered to go through my personal databases of players, but from the Dutch leagues, off the top of my head: Clint Leemans (Dutch, 22 yrs old), Simon Gustafson (Swedish, 23 yrs old) and Morten Thorsby (Norwegian, 22 yrs old). All speak english, all would fit into our 'culture' and scouting them would cost a return ticket from Hull to Rotterdam (or anywhere). The Dutch blades will vouch for them. ;)
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And all would be easily able to replace Coutts? You should tell TPL. He needs the help. The claims weren't mine.

Have any of them moved for a couple of million?

Are there any guarantees btw?
 
Sean Thornton said:
And all would be easily able to replace Coutts? You should tell TPL. He needs the help. The claims weren't mine.

Have any of them moved for a couple of million?

Are there any guarantees btw?
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Stick a broom up my backside & I'll sweep the changing room floors as well, while I'm at it. ;)

No guarantees whatsoever. :)

https://www.byfarthegreatestteam.com/posts/clint-leemans-proving-doubters-wrong/

https://footballtalentscout.net/2018/03/29/morten-thorsby-by-alex-orillac/
 



SUFC scouting, someone show Wilder how to include overseas players on Football Manager 2018
 
The Problem United have faced Now and in the past, Especially Now. Is that the money Sheffield United are willing to spend on a player is peanuts in the present way Transfers are going. A typical example is Martyn Waghorn to Derby. we just didn't have or weren't willing to pay the sort of fees for this sort of player. Suprised we paid so much for Egan from Brentford. Until such a time where we have a Multi-Millionaire who is willing to throw money at any player without Jeopardising the finances of the club like they say you pay peanuts, you get Monkeys. or in our case Donkeys. who'd be a Blade?
 
Jon Slinn said:
The Problem United have faced Now and in the past, Especially Now. Is that the money Sheffield United are willing to spend on a player is peanuts in the present way Transfers are going. A typical example is Martyn Waghorn to Derby. we just didn't have or weren't willing to pay the sort of fees for this sort of player. Suprised we paid so much for Egan from Brentford. Until such a time where we have a Multi-Millionaire who is willing to throw money at any player without Jeopardising the finances of the club like they say you pay peanuts, you get Monkeys. or in our case Donkeys. who'd be a Blade?
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We were willing to pay £4m for Egan, yet we wouldn’t pay £5m for a striker? Sort of says it all at the moment regards the thoughts from those that matter on where games get won and lost.
 
It was amusing to hear the comentator keep saying Wilder's team of free's, loans and lower league players. He made the Ravanelli comparison and seemed astonished that we seemed proud of spending 4 million.Then I thought about it and outside Egan he is right. As the post above says you pay peanuts and for the most part you get what you get. We have had a few gems in Fleck, O'Connell, Baldock but the signings overall in the last 18 months have been really poor but then only one has cost more than a million quid I believe.
 
Sean Thornton said:
If part of that fee is dependent on certain happenings, we'd be better off agreeing that £12m , as a very top figure - will be the figure that matters now. Because it's now we're talking about.
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And we will probably only get about £4 million maximum of that up front.
 
I often wonder how a club that regularly is near the top of the average attendance charts loses so much money and can't afford the players that clubs with much less income take for granted. Every other club must have billionaire backers. It would be interesting to see the loss figures for the rest of the Championship clubs to compare them with our accounts.
 
metalblade said:
I often wonder how a club that regularly is near the top of the average attendance charts loses so much money and can't afford the players that clubs with much less income take for granted. Every other club must have billionaire backers. It would be interesting to see the loss figures for the rest of the Championship clubs to compare them with our accounts.
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Which clubs with much less income take for granted being able to sign better players than us? Any examples?

The accounts of most clubs are available at Companies House, so you can back up your claim.
 



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