The real deal behind Walker's recall

[Worksop_Blade]

Thought I'd share something I heard from a 'source' close to Kyle Walker's family.

THFC when they sent KW back to the lane on loan agreed to pay KW's basic weekly wage for the duration. SUFC's part in the agreement was that they would pay all the bonuses that KW earns whilst here eg. Apps, Goals, Clean Sheets, Assists etc.

On average KW was earning £900 in bonuses per week but SUFC repeatedly failed to pay the young lad his money. KW complained to his dad about this and his dad in turn complained to SUFC, who ignored him and again failed to pay the bonuses.

KW and his Dad decided that on Monday 1st Feb they would tell THFC about the problem. When THFC heard about SUFC's unwillingness to honour the agreement of the loan they simply tore up the loan agreement and recalled KW back to London.

So all the news from United about Rednapp calling out of the blue is complete bollox.

Another excellent piece of business management by SUFC.

 

[Wards]

Thought I'd share something I heard from a 'source' close to Kyle Walker's family.

THFC when they sent KW back to the lane on loan agreed to pay KW's basic weekly wage for the duration. SUFC's part in the agreement was that they would pay all the bonuses that KW earns whilst here eg. Apps, Goals, Clean Sheets, Assists etc.

On average KW was earning £900 in bonuses per week but SUFC repeatedly failed to pay the young lad his money. KW complained to his dad about this and his dad in turn complained to SUFC, who ignored him and again failed to pay the bonuses.

KW and his Dad decided that on Monday 1st Feb they would tell THFC about the problem. When THFC heard about SUFC's unwillingness to honour the agreement of the loan they simply tore up the loan agreement and recalled KW back to London.

So all the news from United about Rednapp calling out of the blue is complete bollox.

Another excellent piece of business management by SUFC.

I'd heard something similar from a fella who's close mates with his dad, although the details obviously got a bit twisted in the chinese whispers.

What a mess.

 

[lenners]

Interesting.
I wonder if we're paying all Billy's wages to help a local rival finish above us?
Maybe it's just most of them.

 

[Flatulent_Bob]

The only thing I would add to that, possibly disproving that theory is that the lad wanted to stay and was happy at the Lane. He was quite put out at being recalled and hoped to get back ASAP. That's from Walker himself, of course he could of been bullshitting but I don't think so.

From what I know (maybe true maybe bollocks) it is all around the paying of wages. But from my understanding Spurs wanted us to contribute more to the wages they were largely paying, we wouldn't. Naughton and Hutton went out on loan to reduce their wage bill (Boro and Sunderland would pay large percentages) so they recalled Walker.

 

[Flatulent_Bob]

Interesting.
I wonder if we're paying all Billy's wages to help a local rival finish above us?
Maybe it's just most of them.

He's on a lot of money, more than you might think as he was signed when we were throwing silly wages around.

This is a major problem for moving him on, and will be a problem is getting him to sign a new deal.
Personally I believe he is waiting to see who is in charge at the Lane next season before deciding his future. He really does want to make it at this club and wants to be sure he isn't going to get a chance before leaving again. Whether he is good enough is another question.

 

[Revolution]

From what I know (maybe true maybe bollocks) it is all around the paying of wages. But from my understanding Spurs wanted us to contribute more to the wages they were largely paying, we wouldn't. Naughton and Hutton went out on loan to reduce their wage bill (Boro and Sunderland would pay large percentages) so they recalled Walker.

It is of course amusing that we would have been able to afford their wages had we not sold them. Actually, no, it's not amusing, it's tragic.

Interesting.
I wonder if we're paying all Billy's wages to help a local rival finish above us?
Maybe it's just most of them.

It's a high bar, Len - to give just a few examples, the Battle of Bramall Lane, Withe scoring against us on loan, and the Horsfield transfer are stiff competition - but if Sharp actually finishes as top scorer in the division that could actually be the most embarrassing thing to befall this club in the 30 odd years I've supported it.

 

[Flatulent_Bob]

From what I know (maybe true maybe bollocks) it is all around the paying of wages. But from my understanding Spurs wanted us to contribute more to the wages they were largely paying, we wouldn't. Naughton and Hutton went out on loan to reduce their wage bill (Boro and Sunderland would pay large percentages) so they recalled Walker.

It is of course amusing that we would have been able to afford their wages had we not sold them. Actually, no, it's not amusing, it's tragic.

If we are offering Monty a pay cut or nothing I would suggest we wouldn't of been able to offer them anything like a good enough deal to keep them. However there existing deals were cheep, but would of had to been re-negotiated as they had become first teamers.

 

[SwissBlade]

Interesting and its something I really don't want to be true, I'd rather believe the Redknapp "out of the blue" theory, just because I hate to think of my club acting in such a way. I'd like to think that theres more to it like SUFC and Spurs agreed to pay the bonus' at the end of the season and Spurs agreed with KW that it'd be weekly, or something like that....

If its true (and nothing to suggest it isn't or it is, other than the public statements) then its pretty shocking.

As for Billy, I'd love to see him back next season.

 

[lenners]

He's on a lot of money, more than you might think as he was signed when we were throwing silly wages around.

This is a major problem for moving him on, and will be a problem is getting him to sign a new deal.
Personally I believe he is waiting to see who is in charge at the Lane next season before deciding his future. He really does want to make it at this club and wants to be sure he isn't going to get a chance before leaving again. Whether he is good enough is another question.

I never doubted he's on big money Bob.
As for United baulking at paying more for Walker, I wonder how much we've paid to secure replacements on loan.
We've got rid of the Pie Man but still couldn't run a piss up in a brewery.

 

[Deleted member 2102]

He's on a lot of money, more than you might think as he was signed when we were throwing silly wages around.

This is a major problem for moving him on, and will be a problem is getting him to sign a new deal.
Personally I believe he is waiting to see who is in charge at the Lane next season before deciding his future. He really does want to make it at this club and wants to be sure he isn't going to get a chance before leaving again. Whether he is good enough is another question.

Just shy of 10k per week I believe.

 

[Flatulent_Bob]

I never doubted he's on big money Bob.
As for United baulking at paying more for Walker, I wonder how much we've paid to secure replacements on loan.
We've got rid of the Pie Man but still couldn't run a piss up in a brewery.

Save us Mr Birch, you're our only hope.

I just hope he is the man to sort this shit out, because we need a strong football man at the helm.

As you know I think McCabe is a fan with the best of intentions but doesn't have the first clue about a football club. For this reason we have appointed poor managers and for all his faults in this area he seems nothing if not loyal. I think at the time I could of made a compelling case for both Blackwell and even Robsons appointment and make them seem sound, however I don't know if every chairman would have kept Blackwell on after his resignation. McCabe obviously thought he had the best man for the job in place and didn't want to lose him, I'm not 100% an experienced football chairman/CEO with a understanding of the game would of made the same decision. The same goes for where we are today, disinterested fans, poor football and costs need to be cut. Is Blackwell the man to take us forward, or do you need a new style of play/man at the top who will keep the fans while we rebuild? This is why I'm hoping Birch is making the decisions now and I hope it gets it right, which incidentally doesn't necessarily mean sacking Blackwell. It's about making the right decision now which will be proven out over the next few years.
He's a better man than me to make the decision I just hope my faith isn't misplaced.

 

[MobileBlade]

I know a bit about the Walker deal. We were not paying his wages but were his bonuses. Middlesborough offered to taken Naughton on loan and pay his wages therefore Walker was brought back as cover. Naughton on more money at Tottenham than Walker.

No complaint, he bought a new place at Fulwood with his gf and moved in only the weekend before he was recalled. He thought he was at the Lane until season end and was hoping we would sign him back next season.

 

[GRUMPY BLADE]

Well Bob, if you can make a case for Robbo to be a football manager your a better man than me.

 

[Flatulent_Bob]

His overall record at West Brom, and spirited fight with Bradford (under incredibly tough financial pressure) showed he could get an good enough spirit going in the dressing room. He could attract players we would never of signed otherwise. He had gained promotion from the championship previously with Boro, and played a good style of football at all his clubs. The players respected him and most of the players brought in were of superior quality to what we had, or what had been there for quite a while. He seemed to certainly be moving the club forward when he first arrived.

 

[SotonBlade]

His overall record at West Brom, and spirited fight with Bradford (under incredibly tough financial pressure) showed he could get an good enough spirit going in the dressing room. He could attract players we would never of signed otherwise. He had gained promotion from the championship previously with Boro, and played a good style of football at all his clubs. The players respected him and most of the players brought in were of superior quality to what we had, or what had been there for quite a while. He seemed to certainly be moving the club forward when he first arrived.

This all seems true, he just forgot to think about tactics and style of play....oooops!

 

[Sothall_Blade]

Most of the players brought in were of superior quality to what we had, or what had been there for quite a while.

£££££££££££

 

[GRUMPY BLADE]

Sorry Bob but how much did he waste at Boro to achieve fuck all?

Promotion was only getting himself out of the shit he'd dropped them into.

 

[Bramley]

His overall record at West Brom, and spirited fight with Bradford (under incredibly tough financial pressure) showed he could get an good enough spirit going in the dressing room. He could attract players we would never of signed otherwise. He had gained promotion from the championship previously with Boro, and played a good style of football at all his clubs. The players respected him and most of the players brought in were of superior quality to what we had, or what had been there for quite a while. He seemed to certainly be moving the club forward when he first arrived.

He was shite at Bradford and is ranked amongst their worst ever managers based from the Bantams I've spoke to - most of whom warned me so as soon as he was appointed.

 

[Bramley]

This all seems true, he just forgot to think about tactics and style of play....oooops!

And squandered millions of pounds on shite players on astronomical wages. :thumbdown:

 

[Flatulent_Bob]

Sorry Bob but how much did he waste at Boro to achieve fuck all?

Promotion was only getting himself out of the shit he'd dropped them into.

Not entirely true, he won the 1st division title, they were then relegated thanks to a 3 point deduction for late cancellation of a match, he got them back up. During which time they also went to 3 cup finals.

It may be fuck all but its more than we have achieved in god knows how long.

 

[Flatulent_Bob]

This all seems true, he just forgot to think about tactics and style of play....oooops!

Ah you see, you no read the original question.

Key words for you, before his appointment.

 

[anglian blade]

Not entirely true, he won the 1st division title, they were then relegated thanks to a 3 point deduction for late cancellation of a match, he got them back up. During which time they also went to 3 cup finals.

Robson was player manager when they first got promoted. According to my Middlesborough supporting friends it was his playing ability and a big budget that covered up his managerial incompetence

 

[Flatulent_Bob]

Robson was player manager when they first got promoted. According to my Middlesborough supporting friends it was his playing ability and a big budget that covered up his managerial incompetence

I was making a case for his appointment. Twice being promoted even when backed up with a good budget is still a case. Anyway he had a good budget with us as well and I don't think McCabe would of checked up with your mates first. I said I could make a good case for his appointment that would sway a non-footballing chairman and I think it's all there.

 

[Latters]

And squandered millions of pounds on shite players on astronomical wages. :thumbdown:

Are you talking about for other clubs or us? I can't think of one bad player that Robson signed or any of the team we had when he left that wouldn't be an improvement on what we have now. That he couldn't get them playing together is another matter. I do think that if we'd not had the shoe debacle and the fans had given him longer than about 6 games then he could have turned it around. You could tell he wasn't the popular choice right from the off (That was the managerial messiah that is Chris Coleman of course!) and this reflected in the atmosphere at matches, although it was nothing like as flat as it is now.

 

[GRUMPY BLADE]

'a big budget that covered up his managerial incompetence'

Thats the point I'm making. His budget was £18M in the 2nd division 13 years ago. God he is shit.