The Prince...

[puppet]

After yet another debacle last night, with no hint of Weir being removed from his job, has anybody else started to think the whole 'Prince' thing might just be a complete load of bollox?

IF we had investment of that magnitude, supposedly having been in discussions for months, surely we could do better than offloading a striker to fund the loan of yet another LB, one who apparently 'needs match practice'?

IF we had been in talks for months with said investor, a man who looking at his Twitter account takes a keen interest in various sports, surely at the managerial appointment stage, we would have been able to attract someone better? And in appointing Weir and watching him have one single vision of a 4-3-3/4-5-1 built around Kevin McDonald, wouldn't we have moved mountains to retain his services and more to the point, would he not have been likely to want to stay if all this was in the offing??

Investment that has a bit of weight behind it tends to come in with a flourish - and I'm not neccessarily suggesting this would have been a better option... but someone with serious clout would've brought in someone like a Sven Goran Eriksson??

Even IF he had no actual input until after the transfer window (conveniently) shut, surely he would've been playing bloody hell at McCabe by now to get shut of Weir - well before if not definitely at the point we hit the bottom of the table??

The answer to my first question will most likely attract nods to the FFP - but we could've renamed the Kop and taken some of the Prince's money to invest in the team.

I've been sceptical from the start about all this business, I'm now convinced there is very little to be excited about.

Over to you...

 

[KenMcnaughtsNuts]

I thought it was bullshit from the start. Just a way to keep the fans from rioting until January. Nothing that's happened yet has convinced me otherwise. Whether his involvement is real or not i have no idea, but either way i can't see the "investment" being anything like the general public were led to believe it could be.

 

[Pedro Verde]

Puppet why would you want Sven at the club
I know Weir is not very good but Erikson FFS he would know how to waste money

 

[puppet]

I didn't say I wanted him, I said its the kind of thing big money investors like to do.

 

[Large Mendonca]

Haven't we seen club debt written off ?? If nothing else happens then surely that's a good development ?

 

[StarBlade]

After yet another debacle last night, with no hint of Weir being removed from his job, has anybody else started to think the whole 'Prince' thing might just be a complete load of bollox?

IF we had investment of that magnitude, supposedly having been in discussions for months, surely we could do better than offloading a striker to fund the loan of yet another LB, one who apparently 'needs match practice'?

IF we had been in talks for months with said investor, a man who looking at his Twitter account takes a keen interest in various sports, surely at the managerial appointment stage, we would have been able to attract someone better? And in appointing Weir and watching him have one single vision of a 4-3-3/4-5-1 built around Kevin McDonald, wouldn't we have moved mountains to retain his services and more to the point, would he not have been likely to want to stay if all this was in the offing??

Investment that has a bit of weight behind it tends to come in with a flourish - and I'm not neccessarily suggesting this would have been a better option... but someone with serious clout would've brought in someone like a Sven Goran Eriksson??

Even IF he had no actual input until after the transfer window (conveniently) shut, surely he would've been playing bloody hell at McCabe by now to get shut of Weir - well before if not definitely at the point we hit the bottom of the table??

The answer to my first question will most likely attract nods to the FFP - but we could've renamed the Kop and taken some of the Prince's money to invest in the team.

I've been sceptical from the start about all this business, I'm now convinced there is very little to be excited about.

Over to you...

I don't think it's bull. Announcing the investment the day after the transfer window closes despite the deal being done previously is perfectly in keeping with "investing in the football side to get to the PL".

I have no objections to loans, some teams have based their success on loans (Stoke City), but I think if you're changing ethos, changing cultures etc, you do that with your own players, not somebody elses.

I'm yet to be convinced there is any money available above what what was already available to the manager of one of the best supported teams in the division. Finally, all the rules about wages/turnover ratio don't make it clear how the Prince can increase wage structure, while turnover for the football club remains the same. As the Prince has invested purely in the on-the-field assets, then he can't influence off-the-field turnover. I've asked the question a lot, but it's never answered.

 

[Pedro Verde]

I didn't say I wanted him, I said its the kind of thing big money investors like to do.

You mean a 'name' like Brian Robson

 

[sheffielder]

No Prince of any Saudi Arabia would put their name to something and it not actually be true. It would bring great shame to the family.

Pointless post, we have more important problems

 

[puppet]

Haven't we seen club debt written off ?? If nothing else happens then surely that's a good development ?

I've heard that one a few times over the years. I'm sure the next thing will be 'the club's debts to McCabe' have been written off but there's a few million owed here or there that hold us back.

 

[puppet]

You mean a 'name' like Brian Robson

Are you just deliberately missing the point of what I'm saying??

 

[puppet]

No Prince of any Saudi Arabia would put their name to something and it not actually be true. It would bring great shame to the family.

Pointless post, we have more important problems

Oh right.

 

[KenMcnaughtsNuts]

Lies, deception and manky pies. An autobiography by K.McCabe.

 

[sheffielder]

Oh right.

You just had too much ale last night. Do you see dead people too?

 

[puppet]

I'm not the one talking like the voices inside Dennis Hopper's head here....

 

[Toronto Blade]

It does seem strange that the Prince would put up with this position and surely he knows to be successful you need to bring in a successful manager not experiment with a rookie.

 

[CG Blade]

It does seem strange that the Prince would put up with this position and surely he knows to be successful you need to bring in a successful manager not experiment with a rookie.

But who is the successful manager we are going to bring in. No successful manager is going to touch us , knowing that if we don't win our first few games the masses will want him out. Who is this mystical successful manager(s) who is/are falling over themselves to put there head on the chopping block. You know it's the Blades way

 

[metalblade]

I too am beginning to think the reported investment is more smoke and mirrors from McCabe, no serious investor would put up with the shit turned out by Weir and his team, either .............
a/ it is a complete smoke screen
b/ the level of the Prince's investment is much much smaller than KM would have you believe
c/ the Prince has far more money than sense ( I think we can discount this one, he may be extravagant but if he is putting a decent wedge in he will want a larger return )

 

[alcoblade]

But who is the successful manager we are going to bring in. No successful manager is going to touch us , knowing that if we don't win our first few games the masses will want him out. Who is this mystical successful manager(s) who is/are falling over themselves to put there head on the chopping block. You know it's the Blades way

A few points;

They don't fear the sack. It's the best pay day they ever get.
There are few times in our history when you can honestly say that you could do a better job yourself. This is one.
It's is almost impossible to get less out of the current bunch.
It would be probably the 2nd best paid job in the division.
There is absolutely nothing wrong with the way the fans treat the manager. Weir has had wonderful treatment given the dross he's subjected us to.

We don't need a Ferguson, or a revolution. A steady head will do. Get out of this division and go again. This long term planning bit is a bit overrated and nigh on impossible. Buy young, upcoming players (we've got this bit right) that you can move on easily. It's the opposite of that that's brought us to our knees. It's being our our knees that's clouded our overall thinking.

UTB

 

[StarBlade]

A few points;

They don't fear the sack. It's the best pay day they ever get.
There are few times in our history when you can honestly say that you could do a better job yourself. This is one.
It's is almost impossible to get less out of the current bunch.
It would be probably the 2nd best paid job in the division.
There is absolutely nothing wrong with the way the fans treat the manager. Weir has had wonderful treatment given the dross he's subjected us to.

We don't need a Ferguson, or a revolution. A steady head will do. Get out of this division and go again. This long term planning bit is a bit overrated and nigh on impossible. Buy young, upcoming players (we've got this bit right) that you can move on easily. It's the opposite of that that's brought us to our knees. It's being our our knees that's clouded our overall thinking.

UTB

I disagree.

I really feel if DW2 was to get sacked, he wouldn't be pleased because he was getting a cheque. I feel he'd be gutted because this is his chosen career and he probably doesn't need the money anyhow. The chances of getting another job would be slim; the managerial merry go round really only applies to those who have a couple of years experience.

A new manager either would be experienced (and therefore why unemployed?) or inexperienced, where the same risks apply.

I'm not sure there are many alternatives out there that are realistic and that would make the fans happy.

 

[alcoblade]

I disagree.

I really feel if DW2 was to get sacked, he wouldn't be pleased because he was getting a cheque. I feel he'd be gutted because this is his chosen career and he probably doesn't need the money anyhow. The chances of getting another job would be slim; the managerial merry go round really only applies to those who have a couple of years experience.

A new manager either would be experienced (and therefore why unemployed?) or inexperienced, where the same risks apply.

I'm not sure there are many alternatives out there that are realistic and that would make the fans happy.

But I wasn't talking about David Weir, who I agree would feel different.

If we've really got any money we should at least poach someone with experience and a bit of success behind him at this level. I think Steve Evans at Rotherham would tick the boxes, though I doubt he'd be popular.

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[super_pig]

Puppet why would you want Sven at the club
I know Weir is not very good but Erikson FFS he would know how to waste money

i think he was just giving an example mate. not to be taken literally.. how convenient he took over ten minutes after the transfer deadline and hasn't spent a penny yet AFAICS

 

[super_pig]

I think Steve Evans at Rotherham would tick the boxes, though I doubt he'd be popular.
UTB

agree totally mate

 

[StarBlade]

But I wasn't talking about David Weir, who I agree would feel different.

If we've really got any money we should at least poach someone with experience and a bit of success behind him at this level. I think Steve Evans at Rotherham would tick the boxes, though I doubt he'd be popular.

UTB

I personally doubt we would get Evans, this season at least. He'd have too much to lose at the moment; Rotherham have half a chance of promotion and he can build without pressure there. Coming here would be a risk on an otherwise progressive career of a manager with many years ahead of him.

 

[super_pig]

like Porterfield all over again.. i tell you the coincidences are mounting

 

[alcoblade]

I personally doubt we would get Evans, this season at least. He'd have too much to lose at the moment; Rotherham have half a chance of promotion and he can build without pressure there. Coming here would be a risk on an otherwise progressive career of a manager with many years ahead of him.

Well, it's self fulfilling. If Rotherham are the extent of his ambitions then I wouldn't want him anyway. But as I said "if we've really got any money" - they ALL have a price. Steve Evans is no different.

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[StarBlade]

Well, it's self fulfilling. If Rotherham are the extent of his ambitions then I wouldn't want him anyway. But as I said "if we've really got any money" - they ALL have a price. Steve Evans is no different.

UTB

That's probably not true, he probably wants to manage Man Utd or Celtic as his ultimate ambition. He's started off small and working up, he is having another good season where he can get even further ahead in his career.

More to life than a short-term boost at a failing institution.

 

[alcoblade]

That's probably not true, he probably wants to manage Man Utd or Celtic as his ultimate ambition. He's started off small and working up, he is having another good season where he can get even further ahead in his career.

More to life than a short-term boost at a failing institution.

You have far more faith than me. It's about money and nothing more. And either way, Sheffield United is as good as it's going to get for Steve Evans.

Somehow I've been drawn into a play for Steve Evans. The reality is you could draw a name out of the hat and at this point, I'd be happy. Anybody but Weir. I honestly think I'd do a better job.

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[Pollingtonblade]

I thought/think its all bollox as well, especially since the line we didn't announce till after the window as other clubs would inflate prices. No one has yet advised what will happen come January what are they hoping? Other clubs 'forget'

 

[KenMcnaughtsNuts]

I thought/think its all bollox as well, especially since the line we didn't announce till after the window as other clubs would inflate prices. No one has yet advised what will happen come January what are they hoping? Other clubs 'forget'

Indeed. You can file that in the silliest arguments of all-time box. Then in the same breathe we're practically saying we're the new Man City and will storm back to the Premier. If you didn't want clubs inflating prices, in January then next season etc etc, you wouldn't come out with crapola like that, now would you?

The fact we didn't even buy a striker raised serious doubts about the "game changing" bravado. You can say "we couldn't find the right player" all day long, but every team in the division has better strikers than we do. You could probably find a homeless bloke on the street with a better goalscoring record than Porter or Ironside.

 

[Northern Rivers Blade]

i think he was just giving an example mate. not to be taken literally.. how convenient he took over ten minutes after the transfer deadline and hasn't spent a penny yet AFAICS

Don't think you've been paying attention. With the Prince's money we've signed Baxter, Cuvelier, Bunn, King, Hall and Lappin. Pre-prince we didn't have a pot to piss in and would have signed none of those (except maybe Bunn and Lappin) and might have sold some of our young lads too.

As for McDonald, we tried to keep him. He wanted to leave.