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Anyone got a photo of it, as I was personally selected to be an integral part of the production, I would be interested to see what it looked like from other areas of the ground. :)
 
is that where you sit sitters?

there used to be an oldish fattish geezer along with a few members of his family sat just below you - right fucking nobhead who just criticises all game - bet he's having a field day with the false 9 formation.

UTB
 
While I'm grateful to those who serve the country, I'm a little uneasy about forcing a poppy on the kop. Poppies are very fashionable these days, to the point where TV presenters are accused of being unpatriotic if they don't wear one. However, some people put money in the collection tins but prefer not to wear one. Some pacifists prefer a white poppy.

This ptobably sounds like nitpicking as 99.9 percent of fans would have no problem with it yesterday and if I have been asked, I would have been in favour of it. But as far as I know, supporters weren't asked, they were told. I'm just wondering if there's a principle at stake here. If they can get us to display a poppy, why not a Nike logo?
 
Dkc said:
While I'm grateful to those who serve the country, I'm a little uneasy about forcing a poppy on the kop. Poppies are very fashionable these days, to the point where TV presenters are accused of being unpatriotic if they don't wear one. However, some people put money in the collection tins but prefer not to wear one. Some pacifists prefer a white poppy.

This ptobably sounds like nitpicking as 99.9 percent of fans would have no problem with it yesterday and if I have been asked, I would have been in favour of it. But as far as I know, supporters weren't asked, they were told. I'm just wondering if there's a principle at stake here. If they can get us to display a poppy, why not a Nike logo?
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Fully respect your right to an opinion but you've totally lost me regarding the 'Nike logo'
 
Let's say we were in the PL and sponsored by Nike, and the club was offered 50 grand for the kop to display their logo before a TV game with Chelsea.

I know it's not the same as displaying a poppy but I'm asking if there's a principle at stake here. Should the club decide what message is given by the spectators?
 
Dkc said:
While I'm grateful to those who serve the country, I'm a little uneasy about forcing a poppy on the kop. Poppies are very fashionable these days, to the point where TV presenters are accused of being unpatriotic if they don't wear one. However, some people put money in the collection tins but prefer not to wear one. Some pacifists prefer a white poppy.

This ptobably sounds like nitpicking as 99.9 percent of fans would have no problem with it yesterday and if I have been asked, I would have been in favour of it. But as far as I know, supporters weren't asked, they were told. I'm just wondering if there's a principle at stake here. If they can get us to display a poppy, why not a Nike logo?
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personally i think a poppy is far more important than a poxy nike logo ! after all "they gave their today for our tomorrow" what do nike represent ? plus the fact that what does it take out of our lives to hold a piece of paper up.....60 seconds
 
Of course, I agree. If I had attended the game yesterday (and was asked), I'd have fully supported the idea of the poppy.

What I'm getting at is the precedent - the idea that the club can unilaterally decide what message is given by the spectators, however worthy, without (as far as I know) fan input
 
Dkc said:
Of course, I agree. If I had attended the game yesterday (and was asked), I'd have fully supported the idea of the poppy.

What I'm getting at is the precedent - the idea that the club can unilaterally decide what message is given by the spectators, however worthy, without (as far as I know) fan input
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FFS!!!!!
 
I thought it was a nice touch to have a bereaved Falklands family there. It's a conflict that often gets overlooked in favour of WW1/2

I am occasionally uncomfortable at how the poppy appeal is used by a jingoistic element. And question why charity should be fulfilling the role of a Government whose political failings lead to wars in the first place.

But at it's heart, remembrance is about just that. Taking a minute to remember a life snubbed out before its time, whether military or civilian, in conflict. We're all just dispensable commodities to those in power.
 



Dkc said:
Let's say we were in the PL and sponsored by Nike, and the club was offered 50 grand for the kop to display their logo before a TV game with Chelsea.

I know it's not the same as displaying a poppy but I'm asking if there's a principle at stake here. Should the club decide what message is given by the spectators?
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You didn't have to hold the card up if you were on the Kop. If it was a Nike advert I'm forked if I would.
 
Dkc said:
While I'm grateful to those who serve the country, I'm a little uneasy about forcing a poppy on the kop. Poppies are very fashionable these days, to the point where TV presenters are accused of being unpatriotic if they don't wear one. However, some people put money in the collection tins but prefer not to wear one. Some pacifists prefer a white poppy.

This ptobably sounds like nitpicking as 99.9 percent of fans would have no problem with it yesterday and if I have been asked, I would have been in favour of it. But as far as I know, supporters weren't asked, they were told. I'm just wondering if there's a principle at stake here. If they can get us to display a poppy, why not a Nike logo?
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Thinking a bit too deeply about a genuine good cause I think.
 
Linz said:
We're all just dispensable commodities to those in power.
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It's a convenient notion. But speaking with my dad about his role in the destruction of the Third Reich, he used to tell me that the collective thought wasn't 'oh, God. The politicians have messed this one up again' moreso they didn't want to live (and possibly die) under the rather unmerciless jackboot of Herr Hitler and his gang of nasty bastards. We (as in the 'nice world') failed badly they first time round with Germany by doing what we thought was right, and not intervening when Hitler swept into power and changed Germany almost overnight. They say brutality begets brutality, but appeasement begets tyranny. Similarly, 1800 crofters ignored by successive governments until the patently obvious happens (and boy, did everyone miss the neon signposts to that one) suddenly become headline news and again, I don't think any one of the 255 souls lost would dispute it was for a just cause. Besides, as someone who has been 'dispensable' for 32 years, I think we (as in the Armed Forces) have done a good job so far stopping this planet and its swirling mass of countering cultures and political systems from nuking the lot to grey sand. With that in mind, I don't think 'dispensable' is a fitting word.

pommpey
 
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