The new players

[snootyfenooty]

I'm also waiting until ive seen more of Leonard and Holmes before I write them off, like you've done.

It's you who's suggesting they may be not good enough if they're not playing.

if you read the thread through I'm suggesting they should be in the team.

 

[Nicolaus_Copernicus]

Somewhere between £1.5m to £2m I suspect.

According to what i've just read, the loan fee that Fulham paid to Newcastle was £600k and that his wages until the end of the season are £900k. I'd be interested to know how the £600k loan fee compares to the one that we've paid for Wilson.

 

[Chali 2na]

'Farcical suggestion'. Offer me some numbers fellow Blade. 3 transfer fees say £2m. 3 contract wages for 6 months say £800k. Wilsons wages say £300k. Loan fee £200k. Total £3.3m in 6 months.

How much would Mitrovic have cost Fulham for 6 months?

'Farcical?

Newcastle are reportedly paying Mitrovic £60kpw and Fulham are covering all his wages.
I've been told (and i believed the person who told me) that United's top earners are on <£20kpw

Do I need to go on?

 

[Woodwardfan]

Newcastle are reportedly paying Mitrovic £60kpw and Fulham are covering all his wages.
I've been told (and i believed the person who told me) that United's top earners are on <£20kpw

Do I need to go on?

Not unless you accept it's your comment that was 'farcical' and maybe acknowledge that.

£60K a week for 6 months £1.6m.

Peanuts compared to United's outlay on 4 players. Maybe you misunderstood what I was saying.

Yes please, go on.

 

[Chali 2na]

It's you who's suggesting they may be not good enough if they're not playing.

I didn't. What post are you referring to?

if you read the thread through I'm suggesting they should be in the team.

You never suggested they should be in the team, in fact, you suggested the money should have been spent elsewhere.
I've highlighted your comment in bold to jog your memory.

Exactly this. Why spend a year tracking Holmes and Leonard if they aren't going to play, why fucking buy them. The money could have been better spent elsewhere.

 

[Woodwardfan]

Not unless you accept it's your comment that was 'farcical' and maybe acknowledge that.

£60K a week for 6 months £1.6m.

Peanuts compared to United's outlay on 4 players. Maybe you misunderstood what I was saying. I only allowed £10k a week for our 3 new contracts.

Yes please, go on.

 

[Chali 2na]

Not unless you accept it's your comment that was 'farcical' and maybe acknowledge that.

£60K a week for 6 months £1.6m.

Peanuts compared to United's outlay on 4 players. Maybe you misunderstood what I was saying.

Yes please, go on.

Do you think having one player, on loan, earning at least 3 times your next highest earner is anything but farcical?

It would decimate morale and goes completely against Wilder's transfer policy up to now.

Farcical.

 

[Woodwardfan]

Not unless you accept it's your comment that was 'farcical' and maybe acknowledge that.

£60K a week for 6 months £1.6m.

Peanuts compared to United's outlay on 4 players. Maybe you misunderstood what I was saying.

Yes please, go on.

Newcastle are reportedly paying Mitrovic £60kpw and Fulham are covering all his wages.
I've been told (and i believed the person who told me) that United's top earners are on <£20kpw

Do I need to go on?

See my reply in quote above.Chali.

 

[Woodwardfan]

Do you think having one player, on loan, earning at least 3 times your next highest earner is anything but farcical?

It would decimate morale and goes completely against Wilder's transfer policy up to now.

Farcical.

My original post quoted below. you said it was farcical. I"ll leave it at that Blade. No wish to embarrass anyone.

Short term Wilder might have been better blowing all the budget on Mitrovic or somebody but he is not buiding just for the short term. The new signings are quality players for the longer term. It takes a while.

We did spend more money though so Mitrovic was well within budget.

 

[Lane Ender]

Evans has fitted in and Championship level and looks a really decent player. He has been the best of the signings from January (based on perfomances so far).

We havent seen much of Holmes (but he's the wrong side of 30, and never done it in the Championship before). Leonard has struggled when he has featured, but is still young and may improve. Wilson has a bit of quality but has struggled with injury.

We know from 1) what Wilder has said in public and 2) the fact that we bought from L1 that the board didnt back Wilder enough during January to make a serious fist of mantaining our excellent start. This is why the season is petering out right now.

Spot on with those comments
You won’t get out of this league with L1 players Wilder was given a pittance amount to spend in the window we needed two serious signings to sustain a challenge see what they make available in the summer.

 

[snootyfenooty]

I didn't. What post are you referring to?

This one:

All transfers are a gamble. There are no dead certs.

Do you think Wilder bought the players, knowing they won't feature?

You're beginning to sound like Esablade's apprentice.

 

[Chali 2na]

See my reply in quote above.Chali.

Your comment makes no reference to our current wage structure - which is hugely important.

 

[Woodwardfan]

Your comment makes no reference to our current wage structure - which is hugely important.

""Farcical" ?

 

[Chali 2na]

This one:



You're beginning to sound like Esablade's apprentice.

What are you talking about?

I never suggested they may not be good enough, i simply implied that Wilder won't have bought them to warm the bench.

 

[Chali 2na]

""Farcical" ?

I will make one last attempt to explain why I thought your comment was farcical:

Signing one player, on 3x the ammount of your next highest earner is mindless and could potentially destroy team spirit and morale. It's stupid, absurd, farcical - pick any word you want: its a bad idea.

 

[Chali 2na]

No wish to embarrass anyone.

...other than yourself.

 

[nopigfansintown]

United can't afford to loan players on big wages anyway.We need assets so that we can develop, sell and then reinvest the money.Unless something positive happens on the ownership and investment model, this issue will remain.Expect young players who we can develop - largely from the lower leagues.Our highest earner was removed from the wage bill not so long ago, namely John Brayford.

 

[Woodwardfan]

...other than yourself.

Of course.

 

[snootyfenooty]

What are you talking about?

I never suggested they may not be good enough, i simply implied that Wilder won't have bought them to warm the bench.

You're suggesting they are a failed gamble as if that's normal. They are warming the bench. Why do you think that may be?

 

[Chali 2na]

You're suggesting they are a failed gamble as if that's normal. They are warming the bench. Why do you think that may be?

No, I'm not. My point about transfers being a gamble was a response to your implication that they werent good enough - I happen to think Leonard will come good as he adapts to the championship and I've barely seen Holmes, so I'm reserving judgement.

They could be 'warming the bench' for tactical reasons, they could just be being kept out by the starters - I'm not sure, I'm not the manager.

 

[snootyfenooty]

No, I'm not. My point about transfers being a gamble was a response to your implication that they werent good enough

Go on then, show me the post where I implied that. You're making stuff up now.

 

[Woodwardfan]

United can't afford to loan players on big wages anyway.We need assets so that we can develop, sell and then reinvest the money.Unless something positive happens on the ownership and investment model, this issue will remain.Expect young players who we can develop - largely from the lower leagues.Our highest earner was removed from the wage bill not so long ago, namely John Brayford.

We've just 'afforded' a 6 month period of £3.3m to the end of the season. 4 players, big outlay.

Big player maybe £1.6m for 6 months.

It's choices and I heartily agree with Wilder. Build steadily and incrementally. Don't gamble, cash management is as important as man management.

 

[nopigfansintown]

We've just 'afforded' a 6 month period of £3.3m to the end of the season. 4 players, big outlay.

Big player maybe £1.6m for 6 months.

It's choices and I heartily agree with Wilder. Build steadily and incrementally. Don't gamble, cash management is as important as man management.

Were not in the market to borrow a player for 6 months for 1.6 million.All our January signings with the exception of Wilson and Holmes, are with a long term view.Even Holmes has a 2.5 year contract.We have to realise future fees and development in our signings.That's where we are at with this board.The wage structure is another block to big wage loan signings.Next season, who knows.I would also query your 3.3 million: united signings are all on paltry salaries for this division and signed for small fees. We have signed Holmes for a lot less than we offered in August, due to the boardroom situation at Charlton. I would say your about a million off.

 

[Woodwardfan]

Were not in the market to borrow a player for 6 months for 1.6 million.All our January signings with the exception of Wilson and Holmes, are with a long term view.Even Holmes has a 2.5 year contract.We have to realise future fees and development in our signings.That's where we are at with this board.The wage structure is another block to big wage loan signings.Next season, who knows.I would also query your 3.3 million: united signings are all on paltry salaries for this division and signed for small fees. We have signed Holmes for a lot less than we offered in August, due to the boardroom situation at Charlton. I would say your about a million off.

As I said "I heartily agree with Wilder".
BUT it's not about hard cash. It's about choices. We are building sensibly and spending the cash.

If Fulham don't go up what use will that £1.6m expenditure do them?

If I'm £1m out then even more reason to do what we've done.

So what's your point?

 

[Woodwardfan]

Were not in the market to borrow a player for 6 months for 1.6 million.All our January signings with the exception of Wilson and Holmes, are with a long term view.Even Holmes has a 2.5 year contract.We have to realise future fees and development in our signings.That's where we are at with this board.The wage structure is another block to big wage loan signings.Next season, who knows.I would also query your 3.3 million: united signings are all on paltry salaries for this division and signed for small fees. We have signed Holmes for a lot less than we offered in August, due to the boardroom situation at Charlton. I would say your about a million off.

BTW I think the Wilson signing had a longer term view to it as well.

 

[nopigfansintown]

As I said "I heartily agree with Wilder".
BUT it's not about hard cash. It's about choices. We are building sensibly and spending the cash.

If Fulham don't go up what use will that £1.6m expenditure do them?

If I'm £1m out then even more reason to do what we've done.

So what's your point?

That Wilder doesn't have the option to spunk 1.6 million on a high wage loan signing, even if he wanted to.Your premise is a false one.We aren't that type of club - returns have to be made for reinvestment.There is no Maguire, Walker, Murphy (clauses) money (they all boosted the pot this season).All eyes on Brooks, Fleck, O'Connell etc if we don't go up, or get taken over before the next window.

 

[Woodwardfan]

That Wilder doesn't have the option to spunk 1.6 million on a high wage loan signing, even if he wanted to.Your premise is a false one.We aren't that type of club - returns have to be made for reinvestment.There is no Maguire, Walker, Murphy (clauses) money (they all boosted the pot this season).All eyes on Brooks, Fleck, O'Connell etc if we don't go up, or get taken over before the next window.

I give in.

 

[Chali 2na]

Go on then, show me the post where I implied that. You're making stuff up now.

I am making stuff up, i mistook your comment for another, apologies.

 

[nopigfansintown]

I give in.

Well, you can't say I didn't try...