The new players

[Champagneblade]

Just expand on the Walker and Maquire money comment? You have zero clue how much we got.

If you know how much per week + loan fee we are spending on James Wilson you would shudder.

Walker went for 50m. We sold him for 3m with a 10% sell on. That’s 4.7m and has been widely reported as such. Maguire we will have got anywhere between 900k and 1.35m based on how the payments are spread.

Whatever the loan fee for Wilson, it’s too much.

 

[metalblade]

Can I just ask you seriously how many times you have seen them play ?

If you think these are world beaters or that they are better than we already had i'd suggest you lay off the pre match shandies ................... seriously.

 

[Woodwardfan]

If you think these are world beaters or that they are better than we already had i'd suggest you lay off the pre match shandies ................... seriously.

All through November and December Wilder was ruing the failure to convert dominance into goals. He knew we needed more creativity and goals from middield
He also knew we were poor with dead balls.

He was given a large budget for us and he captured 2 players he had long coveted plus a dead ball specialist plus a striker who will return to form and justify his pedigree one day, maybe with us on contract in the future ( compare Bamford perhaps).

It's not worked out and always had to be a gamble. Thing is we were tailing off anyway.

Wilder is building a squad and the three new permanent signings will be part of our future, maybe all 4, who knows.

Our squad is improving each Transfer Window.

 

[Woodwardfan]

Short term Wilder might have been better blowing all the budget on Mitrovic or somebody but he is not buiding just for the short term. The new signings are quality players for the longer term. It takes a while.

 

[metalblade]

Short term Wilder might have been better blowing all the budget on Mitrovic or somebody but he is not buiding just for the short term. The new signings are quality players for the longer term. It takes a while.

I don't see a 31 year old as a long term investment or is it just me ? 24-25 year old and yes that is long term see Leonard if he can make the step up. It might be just me but we have too many players the wrong side of 30 (Sharp,Clark, Donaldson,Duffy to name a few) who could all need replacing for next season, I do wonder where the goals and creativity will come from next season.

 

[I should coco]

We haven’t even spent the Maguire and Walker money in full, nevermind the owners investing.

#wagesdon'tcount

 

[Woodwardfan]

I don't see a 31 year old as a long term investment or is it just me ? 24-25 year old and yes that is long term see Leonard if he can make the step up. It might be just me but we have too many players the wrong side of 30 (Sharp,Clark, Donaldson,Duffy to name a few) who could all need replacing for next season, I do wonder where the goals and creativity will come from next season.

Serious issue that Metal but players like Holmes are light on their feet and only reliant on pace over the first few yards. Skill and know-how are their major weapons as well as the ability to shoot!!

Duffy and Holmes can last another 3 years playing the way they do.

Big strikers have an earlier sell-by date IMO.

 

[blade789]

Walker went for 50m. We sold him for 3m with a 10% sell on. That’s 4.7m and has been widely reported as such. Maguire we will have got anywhere between 900k and 1.35m based on how the payments are spread.

Whatever the loan fee for Wilson, it’s too much.

Not far off with maquire (bottom end figure). Got no where near that for walker. Be mindful that nothing is paid in full with deals like that. Will take another 2 years to get the full Walker money.

 

[blade789]

Do you ,If so share it

I do no the exact amount mate but unfortunately I can't say. If you knew the 'Wilder hasn't been backed' brigade would pipe down a bit. Highest outgoing a week within the playing squad by a considerable amount.

 

[Fanny magnet]

I do no the exact amount mate but unfortunately I can't say. If you knew the 'Wilder hasn't been backed' brigade would pipe down a bit. Highest outgoing a week within the playing squad by a considerable amount.

NOW that you've said he's the highest earner by a considerable amount you've already betrayed any confidences so you might as well tell us the exact figures

 

[sitwell]

If you think these are world beaters or that they are better than we already had i'd suggest you lay off the pre match shandies ................... seriously.

So you haven't then ?

 

[Nicolaus_Copernicus]

I'm lead to believe that he's on £30k or there abouts a week at Man Utd. And to be honest, no matter what he is on & what we have paid in a loan fee, my idea of Wilder 'being backed' differs from bring James Wilson in in the JTW on loan.

 

[LJBlade]

I can't for the life of me see why we signed Holmes he looks slow and no better than anyone we already had and at 31 he isn't going to get any better. Evans looks no better than Lundstram, Leonard looks lost and out of his depth top guy at Southend is a long way from holding down a place at championship level age is on his side though I guess. Wilson not impressed at all looks a show pony to me who offers nothing as a team player the ball bounces off him, couldn't trap a bag of dog shit.

He looks slow? How many times has he played for you to be able to come to that assessment?

 

[blade789]

NOW that you've said he's the highest earner by a considerable amount you've already betrayed any confidences so you might as well tell us the exact figures

It's a lot put it that way!

 

[Nicolaus_Copernicus]

It's a lot put it that way!

Without disclosing either the source or the precise amount is it more or less that £30k a week?

 

[S64 Blade]

Without disclosing either the source or the precise amount is it more or less that £30k a week?

Half it.

 

[jt64]

Not far off with maquire (bottom end figure). Got no where near that for walker. Be mindful that nothing is paid in full with deals like that. Will take another 2 years to get the full Walker money.

If we know we're going to get £xm from the Walker sale then it doesn't matter that much whether it's as one down payment or is drip fed over a longer period as long as it's income that we can budget for. It's not as if we can't pay in installments for players coming in either

 

[Kevincarterversion2.0]

Evans has fitted in and Championship level and looks a really decent player. He has been the best of the signings from January (based on perfomances so far).

We havent seen much of Holmes (but he's the wrong side of 30, and never done it in the Championship before). Leonard has struggled when he has featured, but is still young and may improve. Wilson has a bit of quality but has struggled with injury.

We know from 1) what Wilder has said in public and 2) the fact that we bought from L1 that the board didnt back Wilder enough during January to make a serious fist of mantaining our excellent start. This is why the season is petering out right now.

 

[metalblade]

Evans has fitted in and Championship level and looks a really decent player. He has been the best of the signings from January (based on perfomances so far).

We havent seen much of Holmes (but he's the wrong side of 30, and never done it in the Championship before). Leonard has struggled when he has featured, but is still young and may improve. Wilson has a bit of quality but has struggled with injury.

We know from 1) what Wilder has said in public and 2) the fact that we bought from L1 that the board didnt back Wilder enough during January to make a serious fist of mantaining our excellent start. This is why the season is petering out right now.

That about sums it up but I would add Wilson doesn't look a team player at all and Evans is no better than Lundstram. For those saying the four signings are good how come only Evans is getting a start Wilder certainly doesn't think they are up to speed yet and if they are more often on the treatment table than the pitch they are no good to us whatsoever.

 

[Chali 2na]

Exactly this. Why spend a year tracking Holmes and Leonard if they aren't going to play, why fucking buy them. The money could have been better spent elsewhere.

All transfers are a gamble. There are no dead certs.

Do you think Wilder bought the players, knowing they won't feature?

Leonard clearly has no finesse, just L1 grunt.

Maybe 'clearly' to you.
Others aren't necessarily as quick to jump to conclusions or as impatient as yourself.

Short term Wilder might have been better blowing all the budget on Mitrovic or somebody.

Farcical suggestion - players of that calibre are way beyond our budget.

 

[nopigfansintown]

Half it.

Relative peanuts then.We had players on more in league one.

 

[nopigfansintown]

Just expand on the Walker and Maquire money comment? You have zero clue how much we got.

If you know how much per week + loan fee we are spending on James Wilson you would shudder.

If you know the accounts a good guess can be made based on these comments from the Prince : " This year we might break even but only because of the (Kyle) Walker and (Harry) Maguire (sell-on) deals. But we expect another deficit next season. We are break even only if we assume there is no activity in January and I think that is not a correct projection".

https://www.thestar.co.uk/sport/foo...bdulaziz-al-saud-interview-part-two-1-8826088

 

[snootyfenooty]

All transfers are a gamble. There are no dead certs.

Do you think Wilder bought the players, knowing they won't feature?

One of them was one of his "boys". The other he's been watching for a year. Neither of these should have been a gamble.

 

[Chali 2na]

One of them was one of his "boys". The other he's been watching for a year. Neither of these should have been a gamble.

All transfers are a gamble. There are no guarantees.

Wilder's record in the transfer market is the best of any United manager of my era.

 

[snootyfenooty]

All transfers are a gamble. There are no guarantees.

Wilder's record in the transfer market is the best of any United manager of my era.

There are no guarantees but the more research you put into a subject the higher probability you have of success. United had plenty of time to muse over these two signings. Best record of any United manager? - check this list of lemons: Hanson, O'Shea, Wilson x2, Henegan?, Carruthers, Hussey plus it looks like you're offering Leonard and Holmes to this list.

 

[Chali 2na]

There are no guarantees but the more research you put into a subject the higher probability you have of success.

If you belive that, then why did you use that fact (that we pursued Leonard for so long) as a stick to beat Wilder's transfer policy with? Surely if he was well-researched, the fact that he hasnt lived up to your expectations proves how speculative transfers are?

United had plenty of time to muse over these two signings. Best record of any United manager? - check this list of lemons: Hanson, O'Shea, Wilson x2, Henegan?, Carruthers, Hussey plus it looks like you're offering Leonard and Holmes to this list.

Jay O'Shea, Carruthers, Hanson (and arguably Wilson to a degree) all played a part in our promotion, so calling them "lemons" is more than a little harsh.
Henegan was bought as young player, to improve (like Nathan Thomas)
I'm also waiting until ive seen more of Leonard and Holmes before I write them off, like you've done.

Ive seen Warnock, Robson, Blackwell, Speed, Adams, Wilson, Weir, Clough and Adkins. Wilder's record in the transfer market is far better than any of them.

 

[Woodwardfan]

All transfers are a gamble. There are no dead certs.

Do you think Wilder bought the players, knowing they won't feature?



Maybe 'clearly' to you.
Others aren't necessarily as quick to jump to conclusions or as impatient as yourself.



Farcical suggestion - players of that calibre are way beyond our budget.

'Farcical suggestion'. Offer me some numbers fellow Blade. 3 transfer fees say £2m. 3 contract wages for 6 months say £800k. Wilsons wages say £300k. Loan fee £200k. Total £3.3m in 6 months.

How much would Mitrovic have cost Fulham for 6 months?

'Farcical?

 

[Nicolaus_Copernicus]

'Farcical suggestion'. Offer me some numbers fellow Blade. 3 transfer fees say £2m. 3 contract wages for 6 months say £800k. Wilsons wages say £300k. Loan fee £200k. Total £3.3m in 6 months.

How much would Mitrovic have cost Fulham for 6 months?

'Farcical?

Somewhere between £1.5m to £2m I suspect.

 

[Champagneblade]

Not far off with maquire (bottom end figure). Got no where near that for walker. Be mindful that nothing is paid in full with deals like that. Will take another 2 years to get the full Walker money.

I can appreciate that you don’t always get the money in full but that must also equate to outgoing cash too. I can’t imagine Wolves or Southend got cash up front, it will probably be paid over their contract.

As to wages, I’m not so naive as to suggest these don’t increase but the obvious response to that is that TV money and gate money and overall income will increase. To what extent wages increased vs revenues, well, we’ll see next year in the accounts.

 

[Woodwardfan]

Somewhere between £1.5m to £2m I suspect.

Agree. £70m Prem League income plus,plus in return.

Mind you I've seen Mitrovic play for the Toon and I can't believe how well he's doing. It was a gamble that's paying off big time. In the Prem with the Toon service he was way out of his depth. These balls to the penalty area just never arrived.