The Jairo hour

[3Cheers4Ramirez]

Might be an idea to bring him on at half time every game

 

[Bladesman]

Might be an idea to bring him on at half time every game

Start Soumare and bring Jairo on to see a game out.

 

[IdLiketoRogerMoore]

Seriki was terrible.

Not disagreeing, but Burrows was even worse!

 

[3Cheers4Ramirez]

Start Soumare and bring Jairo on to see a game out.

Davies or Rothwell with Peck to start - maximise the creativity. Then quite rigidly bring Riedewald on at HT regardless. Wouldn't always be suitable but the effects of doing this would even out to better average results than we currently get from our in game changes

 

[Muttley]

Burrows needs to pack it in pretending to be a defender and maybe concentrate on being a left sided attacker.

 

[Berkshire Blade]

Start Soumare and bring Jairo on to see a game out.

Soumare isn't going to be here. Games are more or less irrelevant now. Rather use/see players we are going to have going forward.

 

[John Street West Terrace]

He can do more than an hour .. it’s the fkg managers obsession with subs that cost us that yesterday .
He does the simple things & holds that midfield together & if you don’t know what he brings can you remember Pecks performances post Souza & pre Reidewald ?
Taking him & Hamer off yesterday completely cost us any hold on the midfield & turned the game on its head .
Wrong subs & at the wrong time … firmly on Wilder that capitulation yesterday

 

[Nick Jansky]

Burrows needs to pack it in pretending to be a defender and maybe concentrate on being a left sided attacker.

I’d very happily sell him this summer. He’s the main point of weakness in the team in my view. I’m not surprised that results have taken a nosedive since McCallum got injured. We got away with it last season because the CBs & midfield were good enough to cover for his incompetence as a defender, but he’s been found out this season.

 

[Blademan89]

Great name for a tv show.
Terrible name for a football play.

Why can he only do an hour still? He's just had 2 weeks without a game

When he goes and Slothwell comes on we go to shit time and time again

Can someone in the media with a bit of spine ask what the fuck is going on?

Strange that its become pretty much nailed on every game without fail he will sub him no matter how bad Peck is performing. He never takes him off first. Why not keep the experience on when trying to see a game out.

 

[3Cheers4Ramirez]

This slavish devotion to substituting certain players at certain times has seemingly surpassed the devotion to actually trying to win matches

 

[Bladesman]

He can do more than an hour .. it’s the fkg managers obsession with subs that cost us that yesterday .
He does the simple things & holds that midfield together & if you don’t know what he brings can you remember Pecks performances post Souza & pre Reidewald ?
Taking him & Hamer off yesterday completely cost us any hold on the midfield & turned the game on its head .
Wrong subs & at the wrong time … firmly on Wilder that capitulation yesterday

Yeah Jairo didn't look knackered.

There a reason to save him for Monday?

 

[Slim Man]

Yeah Jairo didn't look knackered.

There a reason to save him for Monday?

Why does he need saving at all?

 

[Brian Deane]

Soumaré is a far better sub to have than Rothwell.

It’s not even close if you’re picking a squad to win rather than one to justify your transfer business.

There lies the issue

 

[John Street West Terrace]

Yeah Jairo didn't look knackered.

There a reason to save him for Monday?

Win the game you’re playing in before looking at others..they’re professional footballers 90 mins shouldn’t be a big ask .. too many subs too early .. he’s obsessed with subs on the hour

 

[John Street West Terrace]

This slavish devotion to substituting certain players at certain times has seemingly surpassed the devotion to actually trying to win matches

I genuinely think a lot are pre planned

 

[Nick Jansky]

I genuinely think a lot are pre planned

If that’s the case it’s disturbing.

 

[Pedro Verde]

Said 3/4 weeks ago take Reiderweld off and we concede and its continued to happen its not a coincedence

 

[Bladesman]

Said 3/4 weeks ago take Reiderweld off and we concede and its continued to happen its not a coincedence

 

[S17 Blade 1889]

Posted this on the Tanganga thread.

Still think the problem is not him and Bindon, when Jairo is on the pitch he almost makes a three at the back supporting them. Femi and Burrows can't defend and leave the 2 central defenders getting dragged out of position but Jairo being there covering gaps means the full backs can get forward 3-1. Jairo off then the 2 of them are hugley exposed as Femi and Burrows can't defend and Rothwell can't do the same support for them suddenly its 3-3.

 

[FriethBlade]

Great name for a tv show.
Terrible name for a football play.

Why can he only do an hour still? He's just had 2 weeks without a game

When he goes and Slothwell comes on we go to shit time and time again

Can someone in the media with a bit of spine ask what the fuck is going on?

Slim Man none of the media have got any spine at all. Giddings, Staton and Oxley are always far too busy brown nosing their mate Chris to ask any kind of insightful questions whatsoever.

To make it worse they let him babble on forever and hes still going on about games that happened weeks ago when asked a question on the latest match.

 

[John Street West Terrace]

That stat says it all

 

[LBA_Blade]

Soumare isn't going to be here. Games are more or less irrelevant now. Rather use/see players we are going to have going forward.

I know we had the need to purchase if promotion would have happened, is it presumed that we are now not going after another loan deal for him and be looking elsewhere? It’s a difficult one with him, at times he has looks ok and settled but is that enough ?

 

[Rudders]

I know we had the need to purchase if promotion would have happened, is it presumed that we are now not going after another loan deal for him and be looking elsewhere? It’s a difficult one with him, at times he has looks ok and settled but is that enough ?

The agreed buy from loan fee was way above his actual current ability. Soumare looks like a £1m style player. Some good stuff and some areas to improve. As you rightly say we have done the hard bit of getting him settled and used to the club and league and I would be seeing if we could do a permanent deal for him in that price range.

 

[eur]

Palace fan here.

I've had a few thoughts on this for a while, since as I posted on another thread Jairo was a bit of a cult favourite of ours.

But I've just seen those GD/minute stats, and... wow. Those stats with Jairo on the pitch, if accurate, are not just play-off form... thats automatic promotion form.

And yet a lot of people are complaining that he doesn't look that great as a midfielder - not mobile enough etc.

So heres the thing. I look at Jairo, and I still don't really see a midfielder dropping back. I see a defender stepping forward. Thats where he spent his career with us, and thats why he was signed by us - as a footballing centre-back in a back 3.

So my very limited opinion about whats happening - with Jairo on the pitch, you are almost playing with a back 3 already. And with the other defenders being so young, Jairos experience is really helping them out.

And when you replace him with a midfielder late on, its almost like your formation is totally changing, and in an attacking way - you are losing a defender, gaining a midfielder. And then your defence seems to crumble.

Dunno if this makes sense.

 

[Nick Jansky]

The agreed buy from loan fee was way above his actual current ability. Soumare looks like a £1m style player. Some good stuff and some areas to improve. As you rightly say we have done the hard bit of getting him settled and used to the club and league and I would be seeing if we could do a permanent deal for him in that price range.

He’s not even making the bench at the moment. Wilder doesn’t rate or trust him. He won’t be here next season.

 

[Ndiayewillalwaysloveyou]

 

[loveWalrusDaveTheBlade]

That stat says it all

What that stat says is that the team as a whole run out of gas midway through the second half. Our alarming decline in the second half of the second half is not just to do with Jairo’s substitution.
It is obvious to anybody with eyes that Jairo runs out of steam consistently by the hour mark. Wilder is left with no choice but to substitute him - it’s driven by necessity and not tactics. In Jairo’s defence, he came to us mid season on the back of a significant injury, making it very difficult for him to improve fitness beyond the incremental gains achieved through regular matches. Those expecting stamina improvements to be achievable by extra training in international breaks are in my opinion misguided, and don’t understand what stamina training entails. The key question for the club is as to whether he can make these advances in pre-season ( the time at which they should be achievable) - if the judgement is that he can’t, then we should get rid of him, like Palace did.
Jairo’s inability to complete a match is the problem, not Wilders decision to take him off when he is clearly spent. Sadly, half of the squad are hardly better in terms of fitness, and few have the same ‘ excuse’ as Jairo. Campbell, Hamer, Brooks, Seriki, Burrows - all blowing out of their arses after an hour. Performances drop, gaps open up routinely down our flanks, and we concede late goals. Wilder is right to identify fitness as a key issue, and stamina training can only properly be addressed during the close season. Having correctly identified the problem, Wilder needs to put the solution in place this summer - it’s not rocket science. If he doesn’t address this this summer, then he is a major part of the problem.
The “stat” is meaningless in terms of Jairo individually. It’s a team game, where such stark patterns of decline in performance can rarely be attributed to a single individual.

 

[Houston_Blade]

It’s a shame Wilder doesn’t look at data, it might actually help him to at some point!

 

[loveWalrusDaveTheBlade]

It’s a shame Wilder doesn’t look at data, it might actually help him to at some point!

I’m sure he and his team do look at data - it’s often evidenced in his comments, and in his diagnosis of what’s wrong. He knows that half the squad lack stamina. As well as being obvious, this assertion will be supported by performance data on individual players.
When looking at data it’s important to ask the question as to whether or not the data are meaningful. The much quoted “stat” on Jairo is an attempt to claim an observed correlation. We concede goals when Jairo leaves the pitch. That’s a fact, but the important question is why does it happen, and what can be done about it? Is it because Jairo’s movement and physicality runs dry, resulting in a dramatic drop in his personal level of performance? Is it because Wilder is making a tactical error in substituting him? Is it because of a change in other aspects such as performance drop in any other of the team players during the last 20 mins of the game? Is it because other substitutions are diminishing the quality of the team, resulting in an overall drop in performance?
Data are most useful if they enable you to isolate a variable from other factors, facilitating the understanding of overall impact caused by that specific variable.
If I had chosen to leave each match this season when the Blades went ahead, then my early exit would have a very strong correlation with the team throwing 29 points away from leading positions. It would be an observed correlation. Would that make me responsible?