The coaching staff.

[Nagima]

I am really at a loss I'm trying to understand what our coaching team get up to between matches. Even though we have been winning matches in the championship it is rare that we look like a cohesive unit.

Today was an utter shambles.
1. We don't know what our best team is.
2. We can't string 4 or 5 passes together and when we do it is between just 2 players.
3. The cup game highlighted that Doyle should be in the Norwood role.
4. Berge rarely does enough to warrant a place in the team. But keeps getting picked.
5. Fleck and Norwood in the same midfield last worked about 4 years ago.
6. Our midfielders don't know what positions to move into when we attack.
7. N'Diaye takes too much out of the ball and often his own team mates don't know what he is going to do. Does work hard though
8.Not knowing what McBurnie is going to do is mainly due to a lack of skill on his behalf and also a lack of coaching and direction from yhe coaches.

The business end of the league is here and even though we had a cushion we are in real danger of losing out on 2nd.

 

[CaptainMorgans]

I am really at a loss I'm trying to understand what our coaching team get up to between matches. Even though we have been winning matches in the championship it is rare that we look like a cohesive unit.

Today was an utter shambles.
1. We don't know what our best team is.
2. We can't string 4 or 5 passes together and when we do it is between just 2 players.
3. The cup game highlighted that Doyle should be in the Norwood role.
4. Berge rarely does enough to warrant a place in the team. But keeps getting picked.
5. Fleck and Norwood in the same midfield last worked about 4 years ago.
6. Our midfielders don't know what positions to move into when we attack.
7. N'Diaye takes too much out of the ball and often his own team mates don't know what he is going to do. Does work hard though
8.Not knowing what McBurnie is going to do is mainly due to a lack of skill on his behalf and also a lack of coaching and direction from yhe coaches.

The business end of the league is here and even though we had a cushion we are in real danger of losing out on 2nd.

Doyle has had less than a handful of good games all season, there's no way any conclusions should be drawn from one cup appearance.

We can all see that our midfield 3 isn't working. Regardless of combination. The answer can't be swapping the personnel around, the system needs some sort of tweak.

 

[VictoryBlade]

Think it needs ore than a tweek!

 

[Roygbiv]

Doyle has had less than a handful of good games all season, there's no way any conclusions should be drawn from one cup appearance.

We can all see that our midfield 3 isn't working. Regardless of combination. The answer can't be swapping the personnel around, the system needs some sort of tweak.

Agree on Doyle. He was excellent on Tuesday but hasn't set the world alight in the league. The midfield 3 is ok when it is sitting deep like against Watford or Spurs but when we try to get forward against sides who aren't complete tripe they just run through us on the break. Boro, Millwall and Blackburn have all beat us in a similar way. Lack of pace and strength in the middle of the park. They don't get forward quick enough and they offer no protection at all to the back 3. Bogle and Lowe having no idea how to defend out of possession just makes things worse.


Look a total shambles away from home at the moment

 

[Weasel]

Agree on Doyle. He was excellent on Tuesday but hasn't set the world alight in the league. The midfield 3 is ok when it is sitting deep like against Watford or Spurs but when we try to get forward against sides who aren't complete tripe they just run through us on the break. Boro, Millwall and Blackburn have all beat us in a similar way. Lack of pace and strength in the middle of the park. They don't get forward quick enough and they offer no protection at all to the back 3. Bogle and Lowe having no idea how to defend out of possession just makes things worse.


Look a total shambles away from home at the moment

Unfortunately I think you have called it just about spot on. Away from home we look a soft touch. How the management have got a handle on this after 30 odd league games I don't fucking know. What about sitting in and looking tight at the back rather than being wide open and falling behind and then having to chase the game. Like we did at Millwall and again today. We even tried to make it a basketball match against Boro when we had taken the lead. It's beyond naive.

 

[CaptainMorgans]

Agree on Doyle. He was excellent on Tuesday but hasn't set the world alight in the league. The midfield 3 is ok when it is sitting deep like against Watford or Spurs but when we try to get forward against sides who aren't complete tripe they just run through us on the break. Boro, Millwall and Blackburn have all beat us in a similar way. Lack of pace and strength in the middle of the park. They don't get forward quick enough and they offer no protection at all to the back 3. Bogle and Lowe having no idea how to defend out of possession just makes things worse.


Look a total shambles away from home at the moment

4 of our next 6 games are away to Reading (excellent home record), Sunderland, Norwich and Burnley.
We have shown very little precedent for beating good teams on the road. If we keep going into these games with the same setup, we will come away from those 4 games with a point or two at best.

Perhaps we need to sacrifice one of the front men to get an extra body in midfield?
Or go with four at the back to get the same outcome?

Who knows... but on the substantial body of evidence we've seen this season there is no combination of players in our squad that fit into a midfield 3 and dominate games at both ends of the field for us. We're 2nd in spite of our midfield.

 

[Nagima]

Doyle has had less than a handful of good games all season, there's no way any conclusions should be drawn from one cup appearance.

We can all see that our midfield 3 isn't working. Regardless of combination. The answer can't be swapping the personnel around, the system needs some sort of tweak.

I agree that Doyle hasn't been playing that well prior to spurs. But he was mostly playing another role than Nowoods. We have been switching the personnel around too much. We need to lock it down for the rest of the season.

The system of how we play does need to be looked at.

 

[Roygbiv]

4 of our next 6 games are away to Reading (excellent home record), Sunderland, Norwich and Burnley.
We have shown very little precedent for beating good teams on the road. If we keep going into these games with the same setup, we will come away from those 4 games with a point or two at best.

Perhaps we need to sacrifice one of the front men to get an extra body in midfield?
Or go with four at the back to get the same outcome?

Who knows... but on the substantial body of evidence we've seen this season there is no combination of players in our squad that fit into a midfield 3 and dominate games at both ends of the field for us. We're 2nd in spite of our midfield.

What's baffling is the seemingly complete change in approach. As Weasel said, it was like a basketball game again today. In the past we've been boringly solid, give away few chances and hope to nick a goal. It's attracted criticism but it got us results. In the last 4 games we've been ridiculously open other than Watford, the game we won.

It's pretty obvious this midfield just don't have the attributes to go on the front foot and it probably shows Hecky was right being so cautious in games. God knows how that has all fallen apart recently

 

[robbiez666]

I am really at a loss I'm trying to understand what our coaching team get up to between matches. Even though we have been winning matches in the championship it is rare that we look like a cohesive unit.

Today was an utter shambles.
1. We don't know what our best team is. - probably because we've not been able to play a settled one all season?
2. We can't string 4 or 5 passes together and when we do it is between just 2 players. - we played some good passing football first half. Just shit in the final third. Did you not watch?
3. The cup game highlighted that Doyle should be in the Norwood role. - Notwood is statistically the best player in the league. Name me all Doyle's great performances this season.
4. Berge rarely does enough to warrant a place in the team. But keeps getting picked. - Fair comment but he was rested in the week so obvious started ahead of those who played.
5. Fleck and Norwood in the same midfield last worked about 4 years ago. Sheffield United 1 -Watford 0
6. Our midfielders don't know what positions to move into when we attack. Fairish
7. N'Diaye takes too much out of the ball and often his own team mates don't know what he is going to do. Does work hard though True
8.Not knowing what McBurnie is going to do is mainly due to a lack of skill on his behalf and also a lack of coaching and direction from yhe coaches.Of course it's Hecky's fault he couldn't control a ball today.

The business end of the league is here and even though we had a cushion we are in real danger of losing out on 2nd. True but this was always going to be the toughest part of the season

 

[robbiez666]

What's baffling is the seemingly complete change in approach. As Weasel said, it was like a basketball game again today. In the past we've been boringly solid, give away few chances and hope to nick a goal. It's attracted criticism but it got us results. In the last 4 games we've been ridiculously open other than Watford, the game we won.

It's pretty obvious this midfield just don't have the attributes to go on the front foot and it probably shows Hecky was right being so cautious in games. God knows how that has all fallen apart recently

I genuinely can't decide whether the kamikaze CBs are just obeying instructions or just doing what they want to do. Basham was a headless chicken today. Robbo badly caught out a few times in the last few weeks. The problem is that they bomb forward assuming we're not going to lose the ball and if we do we have a midfield with no pace to cover.

 

[Addison]

4 of our next 6 games are away to Reading (excellent home record), Sunderland, Norwich and Burnley.
We have shown very little precedent for beating good teams on the road. If we keep going into these games with the same setup, we will come away from those 4 games with a point or two at best.

Perhaps we need to sacrifice one of the front men to get an extra body in midfield?
Or go with four at the back to get the same outcome?

Who knows... but on the substantial body of evidence we've seen this season there is no combination of players in our squad that fit into a midfield 3 and dominate games at both ends of the field for us. We're 2nd in spite of our midfield.

The system works when you have wing backs who know how to defend. We are conceding too many goals when the WB's are too far up the pitch and we are left 3 v 3 on the counter. Both Lowe and Bogle are guilty of not tracking runners. Baldock needs to come back in and until RND is fit we have to go with Osborn. Another early goal again when the opposition run at us. We missed Anel to-day but we have to approach the 4 games you mention with the attitude of keeping it tight early on otherwise this basket ball football will be the undoing of us.

 

[Roygbiv]

I genuinely can't decide whether the kamikaze CBs are just obeying instructions or just doing what they want to do. Basham was a headless chicken today. Robbo badly caught out a few times in the last few weeks. The problem is that they bomb forward assuming we're not going to lose the ball and if we do we have a midfield with no pace to cover.

I have a bit of sympathy with the back 3 due to the total lack of protection from the wing backs and midfield. They were individually pretty shit but time after time they were having to deal with 3 on 3s. The midfield neither get into the opposition box or in our own box so making it as open as we have been is so confusing

 

[ancientblade]

4 of our next 6 games are away to Reading (excellent home record), Sunderland, Norwich and Burnley.
We have shown very little precedent for beating good teams on the road. If we keep going into these games with the same setup, we will come away from those 4 games with a point or two at best.

Perhaps we need to sacrifice one of the front men to get an extra body in midfield?
Or go with four at the back to get the same outcome?

Who knows... but on the substantial body of evidence we've seen this season there is no combination of players in our squad that fit into a midfield 3 and dominate games at both ends of the field for us. We're 2nd in spite of our midfield.

youve nailed it there captain posted same on another thread last week whats the point in playing 2 strikers when we cant control the midfield play a lone striker that would be jebbison for me with nidaye and mcatee in behind him we need more possesion and an extra man in midfield to stop teams walking through us

 

[robbiez666]

I have a bit of sympathy with the back 3 due to the total lack of protection from the wing backs and midfield. They were individually pretty shit but time after time they were having to deal with 3 on 3s. The midfield neither get into the opposition box or in our own box so making it as open as we have been is so confusing

There's a lack of intelligence. Today, Fleck was the wrong side of their player when they broke and scored. McBurnie was too busy arguing instead of getting back. Berge just jogs. Bogle let their most dangerous play run down the wing because he didn't want to bust a gut and get goal side. Lowe's positioning is dire. Caught on several occasions. They did their homework and used the gaps they left to play into.

 

[Champagneblade]

The fish rots from the head.

As much as I’ll give him great credit since taking over from Slav, other coaches have out managed Hecky this past month.

On paper we have better players than Millwall, Blackburn and quite frankly Boro too.

Yet we’ve allowed the games to turn into basketball matches which we’ve ended up on the wrong side of. We’ve completely been unable to wrestle control of the midfield. So what are the coaching staff doing about it?

I keep hearing that we will prepare for the games just the same.

Well you’ve just lost 3 out of 4. So maybe just the same isn’t good enough.

 

[Bladey_blade]

4 of our next 6 games are away to Reading (excellent home record), Sunderland, Norwich and Burnley.
We have shown very little precedent for beating good teams on the road. If we keep going into these games with the same setup, we will come away from those 4 games with a point or two at best.

Perhaps we need to sacrifice one of the front men to get an extra body in midfield?
Or go with four at the back to get the same outcome?

Who knows... but on the substantial body of evidence we've seen this season there is no combination of players in our squad that fit into a midfield 3 and dominate games at both ends of the field for us. We're 2nd in spite of our midfield.

I'd rather sit anel in front of the defense and play a 4 before I sacrifice one of the currently toothless attack!