The Clough Factor

[BushBlade]

They did have an alternative. They didn't have to sell them. And I know they had financial trouble but it annoys me when clubs roll over and throw their hands up in the air apparently with no control over their assets leaving. If they want to leave, stick them in the reserves till they remember their place. You don't just have to sell them if they are under contract.

Southampton were owned by a multi-billionaire when they sold some of their players like Ox. There was no financial necessity but they still considered selling him to be the correct decision.
Now you can criticise our board's lack of judgement all day and I won't argue but if a club that has been as successful as Southampton have been deem it a good idea to sell a player then perhaps it is.
Everton and West Brom have enough money from the PL to be able to refuse bids for Stones and Berahino, and bring in other players when they don't perform, we don't.

Selling players is inevitable, it's how you handle it that is important. I recall Bristol City selling their striker before their promotion season. What did they do? They went out and spent the money on another.

 

[Woodwardfan]

They did have an alternative. They didn't have to sell them. And I know they had financial trouble but it annoys me when clubs roll over and throw their hands up in the air apparently with no control over their assets leaving. If they want to leave, stick them in the reserves till they remember their place. You don't just have to sell them if they are under contract.

Theory not practice. The end of the contract is always in sight and when it's within 12 months of that date the scenario changes dramatically.

 

[Lord Bos of Eckington.]

That's the key.

The first stage of selling better players is inevitable.

The second stage is where success is achieved.

Always respect both stages, something people choose to ignore/ forget.

Even with billionaire ownership , it's what you call being self financing and having a plan with infrastructure .

Southampton are a model club , Chelski are at the other end of the spectrum.

To set the process up in the first instance , some investment has to be made . It's becomes more and more embarrassing how we have wasted money over the years , which does come back to McCabe , who may have been too soft in the past with managers , and needed to be more ruthless . Surround yourself with your business associates who are not real football people and it happens . Especially when they agree with everything you say .

More and more you look at our plight in the cold day of light and not as a hardened fan , then Adkins is the right man at the right time to turn us around and create a clean new culture .

This club will go forward with Adkins, all be it he has a high majority of doubters who he has to win over , due to his performance to date being unacceptable . ( Clough gets blamed for the weather theses days )

UTB

 

[PeteBlade]

The question I put to you too hard for you then? I didn't state it was a fact because of that, merely suggesting that was the majority view. I wonder what you were saying this pre-season. We'll never know because you've "forgot".

I've explained why, much as you'd love it to be, it's not a simple yes or no question, nor is it football manager.

As for memory, I could make something up if you'd prefer?

Not everyone can remember everything they've ever done, like when you 'forgot' at which match you'd "sold your season ticket".

 

[Barney]

I've explained why, much as you'd love it to be, it's not a simple yes or no question, nor is it football manager.

Why is it not a simple yes or no question?

 

[Esablade]

Why is it not a simple yes or no question?

Lol.

 

[alcoblade]

Southampton were owned by a multi-billionaire when they sold some of their players like Ox. There was no financial necessity but they still considered selling him to be the correct decision.
Now you can criticise our board's lack of judgement all day and I won't argue but if a club that has been as successful as Southampton have been deem it a good idea to sell a player then perhaps it is.
Everton and West Brom have enough money from the PL to be able to refuse bids for Stones and Berahino, and bring in other players when they don't perform, we don't.

Selling players is inevitable, it's how you handle it that is important. I recall Bristol City selling their striker before their promotion season. What did they do? They went out and spent the money on another.

Absolutely this. As a fan base, we get incredibly wound up about inevitable player sales, and go quietly by as we squander almost every penny of reinvestment on utter shite.

UTB

 

[PeteBlade]

Why is it not a simple yes or no question?

See previous responses.

 

[Esablade]

Absolutely this. As a fan base, we get incredibly wound up about inevitable player sales, and go quietly by as we squander almost every penny of reinvestment on utter shite.

UTB

Mal Brannigan?

 

[alcoblade]

Mal Brannigan?

Cunt features?

 

[Esablade]

Cunt features?

You might say that..etc etc

 

[Woodwardfan]

Mal Brannigan?

Clough puppet, but Clough knew nothing about him being considered for the job, of course he didn't!! Lucky break when he was appointed then!!

 

[Gavlar]

Southampton were owned by a multi-billionaire when they sold some of their players like Ox. There was no financial necessity but they still considered selling him to be the correct decision.
Now you can criticise our board's lack of judgement all day and I won't argue but if a club that has been as successful as Southampton have been deem it a good idea to sell a player then perhaps it is.
Everton and West Brom have enough money from the PL to be able to refuse bids for Stones and Berahino, and bring in other players when they don't perform, we don't.

Selling players is inevitable, it's how you handle it that is important. I recall Bristol City selling their striker before their promotion season. What did they do? They went out and spent the money on another.

You make some fair points mate, of course we haven't reinvested the money well enough. But at the same time, imagine what team Southampton could have now if they hadn't sold the players they have. We didn't have to sell Murphy, we didn't have to sell Blackman, we didn't have to sell Quinn. If they left at the end of their contracts for free then so be it. I think in the long run that would be better financially than selling them, buying worse players and continually sliding down the divisions and getting relegated.

 

[Barney]

Lol.

I gave you a full explanation as to why your daft question wasn't a simple yes or no. As far as I can see, the question which didn't actually have anything to do with you, hasn't received one. It was also actually something to do with the point in question. Yours regularly aren't.

 

[blade too long]

interesting read, for those saying weve had too many managers
we are way down the list

http://www.skysports.com/football/n...e-longest-average-tenures-in-english-football

managers tenures are down to an average 425 days now

 

[Esablade]

I gave you a full explanation as to why your daft question wasn't a simple yes or no. As far as I can see, the question which didn't actually have anything to do with you, hasn't received one. It was also actually something to do with the point in question. Yours regularly aren't.

 

[BushBlade]

You make some fair points mate, of course we haven't reinvested the money well enough. But at the same time, imagine what team Southampton could have now if they hadn't sold the players they have. We didn't have to sell Murphy, we didn't have to sell Blackman, we didn't have to sell Quinn. If they left at the end of their contracts for free then so be it. I think in the long run that would be better financially than selling them, buying worse players and continually sliding down the divisions and getting relegated.

We more or less gave Quinny away and Blackman was ridiculous. I think Murphy had to move for his career and it's alright forcing him to see out his contract but as I say, if he lost form like Stones and Berahino have, we'd be fucked because we'd be relying on him. And if I was an up and coming player I'd be wary of signing for any club that treats their players like that (as, by holding Murphy to his contract you'd be seriously damaging his career).

There's a reason people use the phrase 'player power'.

 

[Gavlar]

We more or less gave Quinny away and Blackman was ridiculous. I think Murphy had to move for his career and it's alright forcing him to see out his contract but as I say, if he lost form like Stones and Berahino have, we'd be fucked because we'd be relying on him. And if I was an up and coming player I'd be wary of signing for any club that treats their players like that (as, by holding Murphy to his contract you'd be seriously damaging his career).

There's a reason people use the phrase 'player power'.

I hear you bush. I understand players wanting to move on, but I think we've reached a point where clubs don't try to keep players. I seriously doubt Murphy would do a Berahino, and even he has scored some goals of late for West Brom. Player power is what it is due to clubs allowing it to escalate. You make a fair point about younger players being wary of signing tho for sure. But I cant help but think things have gone far enough and clubs need to get some of the power back.

 

[Esablade]

Clough puppet, but Clough knew nothing about him being considered for the job, of course he didn't!! Lucky break when he was appointed then!!

£168k a year was it?
Must be about four months wages for Conor Sammon...

 

[blade too long]

I hear you bush. I understand players wanting to move on, but I think we've reached a point where clubs don't try to keep players. I seriously doubt Murphy would do a Berahino, and even he has scored some goals of late for West Brom. Player power is what it is due to clubs allowing it to escalate. You make a fair point about younger players being wary of signing tho for sure. But I cant help but think things have gone far enough and clubs need to get some of the power back.

If a player at a league one club gets the chance of championship football , and an international recognition to boot its morally wrong to hold him back.
The factor of wages also are huge , anyone who can double their income has to do it, these are professional footballers , they have loyalty to their family above than to any club , would you tell your wife not going for twice as much money as itll upset some fans,
Clubs can demand players stay and not go to clubs at the same level, but if the lures strong enough the agent will do whats necessary to get the deal


Was looking at GarethBale on spanish tv the other day saying hed come purely for footballing reasons , no doubt the 35 million hes earnt since 2013 has nothing to do with it

 

[Barney]

If a player at a league one club gets the chance of championship football , and an international recognition to boot its morally wrong to hold him back.

And it's also against the clubs best interests. The point that some made about him being upset so wouldn't play as well - I think that is a bit cloud cuckoo. The reality is that when you are on the field of play, the chances are that a player will play the best he can, even if he is a bit pissed off. It's probably more enjoyable for the player to play to his best than to purposefully not out of spite anyway. It frankly doesn't matter how pissed off he would have been, promotion and the club as a whole was more important than an individual and his mood.

 

[Woodwardfan]

We more or less gave Quinny away and Blackman was ridiculous. I think Murphy had to move for his career and it's alright forcing him to see out his contract but as I say, if he lost form like Stones and Berahino have, we'd be fucked because we'd be relying on him. And if I was an up and coming player I'd be wary of signing for any club that treats their players like that (as, by holding Murphy to his contract you'd be seriously damaging his career).

There's a reason people use the phrase 'player power'.

Even Jags had a £4m sell on clause written into his contract when he renewed it and we were in the Prem then. This is L1 don't forget.

Maguire quadrupled his salary.

Be realistic and respect all parties, rather than cursing the club and creating doom and gloom, look forward to the next stage, because there's an inevitability about the sales - it's how we utilise the proceeds that matters.

 

[JohnDenver]

And it's also against the clubs best interests. The point that some made about him being upset so wouldn't play as well - I think that is a bit cloud cuckoo. The reality is that when you are on the field of play, the chances are that a player will play the best he can, even if he is a bit pissed off.

It's probably more enjoyable for the player to play to his best than to purposefully not out of spite anyway. It frankly doesn't matter how pissed off he would have been, promotion and the club as a whole was more important than an individual and his mood.

Michael Brown was shite after he'd made his mind up to leave. Paul Devlin even worse.

Some players are utter wasters when the mood takes them, as Chelsea discovered earlier this season.

 

[blade too long]

A footballer , worth his salt wants to push themselves as high as they can go , Murphy wanted this and is learning at a higher level , might never be top class prem status if he stayed with us , but has given himself extra seasons in the championship to improve some more , and maybe get there

then theres players like Nade who score winners against Arsenal and has scored for Dumbarton tonight, but only time can tell which way they go

 

[Barney]

Michael Brown was shite after he'd made his mind up to leave. Paul Devlin even worse.

Some players are utter wasters when the mood takes them, as Chelsea discovered earlier this season.

I don't think it is as common as some like to make out when deciding whether or not it is best to keep a player to his contract though. Murphy didn't strike me as that sort of bloke at all.

 

[Woodwardfan]

A footballer , worth his salt wants to push themselves as high as they can go , Murphy wanted this and is learning at a higher level , might never be top class prem status if he stayed with us , but has given himself extra seasons in the championship to improve some more , and maybe get there

then theres players like Nade who score winners against Arsenal and has scored for Dumbarton tonight, but only time can tell which way they go

Murphy is on the fringes of the first team at Brighton. He's not first choice but plays when the matches come thick and fast or when they play lower placed teams at home.

From star man to back-up player - that's the size of the gap between us and where Wednesday are (nearly)

 

[blade too long]

Murphy is on the fringes of the first team at Brighton. He's not first choice but plays when the matches come thick and fast or when they play lower placed teams at home.

From star man to back-up player - that's the size of the gap between us and where Wednesday are (nearly)

dont worry about Wednesday , they were due a relative high after 16 years , hope they lose in the play offs , be sweet
we can ring up and tell them how they wasted their time like they did when we lost in one

 

[JohnDenver]

From star man to back-up player - that's the size of the gap between us and where Wednesday are (nearly)

Murphy for Brighton - 34 appearances and 6 goals.

Seagull might expand on that, but he's done well for his first season at that level.

 

[PeteBlade]

Murphy is on the fringes of the first team at Brighton. He's not first choice but plays when the matches come thick and fast or when they play lower placed teams at home.

From star man to back-up player - that's the size of the gap between us and where Wednesday are (nearly)

Hasn't he played more than 30 games this season?

 

[BeatleBlade]

dont worry about Wednesday , they were due a relative high after 16 years , hope they lose in the play offs , be sweet
we can ring up and tell them how they wasted their time like they did when we lost in one

I think it's funny quite how amazed they are by 5th in the league. Like, it's a good place to be and I'd rather be there than here but with the way they were behaving you'd think they'd already won the league!