The Brooks Conundrum

[grafikhaus]

Typical Bladey 'half glass empty'. Brooks did just fine against a fired-up world-class France. Loftus-Cheek, however, is being lauded for an average display against a 'can't be fucked Germany'. As an old fart who witnessed TC's debut in 1968 - and I don't say this lightly - Brooksy is one of those rare players who can put you on the edge of your seat.

 

[snootyfenooty]

Brooksy is one of those rare players who can put you on the edge of your seat.

There's some old curmudgeons sit around me who haven't got off their arses for years and do nothing but fucking moan but even they get on their feet when Brooks gets the ball. That's saying summat.

 

[georgebernardshaw]

There's some old curmudgeons sit around me who haven't got off their arses for years and do nothing but fucking moan but even they get on their feet when Brooks gets the ball. That's saying summat.

It takes me about five minutes to actually get on my feet, and when I get there I’m knackered, so perhaps it’s best we sell him.

 

[diode_blade]

It takes me about five minutes to actually get on my feet, and when I get there I’m knackered, so perhaps it’s best we sell him.

Do you want to buy some ex NASA solid rocket boosters to help you stand up.....

 

[Maidenhead]

He's had development at 2 clubs with excellent youth systems but sometimes growth is incremental and sometimes it' exponential. I can't imagine how much better a player he is now compared to 12 months ago. I think we would be crazy to want to miss out on the potential of seeing a fantastic footballer find his feet with us. Fuck the money, I want to see something I remember in 30 years

I remember the day we sold Deane and Fjortoft.

That was nearly 20yrs ago.

I'm sure I'll still remember it in another 10.

 

[ucandomagic]

First thing - Brooksy is 20 but he is physically developing very late, that is the only reason Citeh let him go. Possibly his only real weakness is that he can be knocked off the ball quite easily, but as he bulks up that will change.

Secondly - Brooksy appears to be one footed, although it is a wand, but for Wales yesterday he hit a fantastic cross with his right foot so again as he progresses he will become even more unplayable.

Thirdly, as he becomes more experienced his decision-making off the ball will improve hugely.

Finally - we only see him on the pitch Wilder and Coleman get to see all that he can really do in training, and them putting so much trust in one so inexperienced means that there is undoubtedly loads more for us to see.

Overall, as he becomes a stronger, 2-footed more experienced player he could be the beating heart of our team and for Wales for 10 plus years. He could also fail to reach his potential, could get a bad injury or get seduced by the rich-boy lifestyle.

I don’t see any money that we got for him now changing Tufty’s attitude to transfers. The reality is that Brooks can become a player that we could never afford to buy, and he could be the reason that we get to a level that we thought we would never be again.

Keeping him and him fading away could mean we miss out on £15 m or so. Keep him and watch him become what is possible, and he could be the catalyst that brings £100’s of millions as we move on to a different level.

Tufty wants us to be ambitious - let’s just fucking go for it.

The Magic is Back and Growing

 

[I should coco]

If we can get 5 million or more for him ..... sell . I'm still far from convinced about him .

And the winner of today's wind up post is....

I can't believe that any Blade who has seen him at least a couple of times, could possibly write that. He has done enough so far to establish a minimum fee level starting in double figure millions..

 

[Northyorksblade]

Wouldn't it be nice, just for once that we keep a starlet that everyone is talking about? It's so exciting to have a great prospect that can change a game. Keep as long as possible.

 

[georgebernardshaw]

If we can get 5 million or more for him ..... sell . I'm still far from convinced about him .

 

[Ldn_Rd_Blades]

Except we do, even the Radio Sheffield presenters have recognised that. January will be a big month and tell us whether or not we're serious

We are second in the league even after major injury problems.

We don't need to change much, a couple of good signings.

 

[Fanny magnet]

Nicer problems to have
The pig game and Brooks performance In it made the football world sit up and take notice

If we weren't playing so well no one would care but the lad is being brought along nicely and I don't expect him to be going anywhere this season

 

[Tynemouth Blade]

Firstly, my wholehearted congratulations to David Brooks on his first international cap.
Now, onto what will undoubtably be a controversial statement.
At the start of the season we all wanted, and have now seen, some of 'what he can do in a red and white shirt' before losing him to the big boys, or Everton.
So the question for me is, now that his stock has risen again with the international game under his belt, should we cash in in January?
I thought last night against France, he looked out of his depth and have thought so on a number of occasions in the league games in which he's played. I think he's still a way off being the player he could/will be and dare I say it, the player many people think he already is, but the Hillsborough nutmeg and Leeds winner apart, I don't think we've seen a huge amount of 'accomplished all round quality player' stuff or 'game changing player' outcomes....yet.
That being said, I still think he has huge potential and has already shown that he has great talent and a smart footballing brain with the ability to do something 'a bit special' but I'm tempted to think we might just be better off taking the money in January.
I think at the moment DB is more of an entertaining luxury than a game changer and if we were to get some crazy bid of, say, 30 million which could be used to bring in the necessary replacements to takes us up, it would have to be worth it wouldn't it?
I know there'd be no guarantee but surely, being in such a good position with all our good luck and momentum this season, we could utilise the money to sort the final pieces of the promotion jigsaw.
From what I've seen of him so far, David Brooks could go on to become world class. He could also hit his effectiveness level very soon, so what should it be? Stick and hopefully see him help us gain promotion and see him potentially further develop with us or twist to cash in and develop the squad, as we did with the so-called Calvert-Lewin money?
Sadly, for me it has to be the money.

 

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[snootyfenooty]

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[Mumbo]

Firstly, my wholehearted congratulations to David Brooks on his first international cap.
Now, onto what will undoubtably be a controversial statement.
At the start of the season we all wanted, and have now seen, some of 'what he can do in a red and white shirt' before losing him to the big boys, or Everton.
So the question for me is, now that his stock has risen again with the international game under his belt, should we cash in in January?
I thought last night against France, he looked out of his depth and have thought so on a number of occasions in the league games in which he's played. I think he's still a way off being the player he could/will be and dare I say it, the player many people think he already is, but the Hillsborough nutmeg and Leeds winner apart, I don't think we've seen a huge amount of 'accomplished all round quality player' stuff or 'game changing player' outcomes....yet.
That being said, I still think he has huge potential and has already shown that he has great talent and a smart footballing brain with the ability to do something 'a bit special' but I'm tempted to think we might just be better off taking the money in January.
I think at the moment DB is more of an entertaining luxury than a game changer and if we were to get some crazy bid of, say, 30 million which could be used to bring in the necessary replacements to takes us up, it would have to be worth it wouldn't it?
I know there'd be no guarantee but surely, being in such a good position with all our good luck and momentum this season, we could utilise the money to sort the final pieces of the promotion jigsaw.
From what I've seen of him so far, David Brooks could go on to become world class. He could also hit his effectiveness level very soon, so what should it be? Stick and hopefully see him help us gain promotion and see him potentially further develop with us or twist to cash in and develop the squad, as we did with the so-called Calvert-Lewin money?
Sadly, for me it has to be the money.

I don't see a conundrum.
I've waited all my life for us to keep hold of our young talent,I don't care what we get offered.
10,20,30 million of what? promises of potential signings...... means fuck all to me.
We have a bird in the hand of rare and beautiful talent and I get to see him play wonderful football.
Keeping him also signifies a change from our past,a proper team building strategy and a long term approach.Short termism is shafting the living daylights out of football and fans are the losers,look at Wendy for fucks sake.
I hope he stays for years to come and grows with the club,what a refreshing change that would be.

 

[Cjay]

Speaking as an outsider fan whose seen tons of our best grads go (as have you) in my short but colorful life, Kewell, Smith, Woodgate, Cook, Taylor, etc etc, id keep hold of him for as long as he remains committed.

International debut, played what, 15 games of first team football, nobody is going to pay stupid money based on that, and even if they do, good chance he will hardly play and see his development slowed down.

Everyone has there price, but unless your short of cash (ive no clue), then its always nice to see academy lads develop with your club, nothing worse then watching them develop elsewhere, pride tinged with sadness. (Lewis Cook about to become a full international)

 

[Willie Carlin]

Firstly, my wholehearted congratulations to David Brooks on his first international cap.
Now, onto what will undoubtably be a controversial statement.
At the start of the season we all wanted, and have now seen, some of 'what he can do in a red and white shirt' before losing him to the big boys, or Everton.
So the question for me is, now that his stock has risen again with the international game under his belt, should we cash in in January?
I thought last night against France, he looked out of his depth and have thought so on a number of occasions in the league games in which he's played. I think he's still a way off being the player he could/will be and dare I say it, the player many people think he already is, but the Hillsborough nutmeg and Leeds winner apart, I don't think we've seen a huge amount of 'accomplished all round quality player' stuff or 'game changing player' outcomes....yet.
That being said, I still think he has huge potential and has already shown that he has great talent and a smart footballing brain with the ability to do something 'a bit special' but I'm tempted to think we might just be better off taking the money in January.
I think at the moment DB is more of an entertaining luxury than a game changer and if we were to get some crazy bid of, say, 30 million which could be used to bring in the necessary replacements to takes us up, it would have to be worth it wouldn't it?
I know there'd be no guarantee but surely, being in such a good position with all our good luck and momentum this season, we could utilise the money to sort the final pieces of the promotion jigsaw.
From what I've seen of him so far, David Brooks could go on to become world class. He could also hit his effectiveness level very soon, so what should it be? Stick and hopefully see him help us gain promotion and see him potentially further develop with us or twist to cash in and develop the squad, as we did with the so-called Calvert-Lewin money?
Sadly, for me it has to be the money.

Need to keep him. He’s deffo got great talent but still has a lot to learn about the game. He will only get better and will be a great asset to United in the future.

 

[dc_blade]

Very much doubt we’ll get a big-money offer in the JTW. Clubs will be looking to buy someone to change their season, whether that means a push at the top end or a scramble at the bottom of the table. Unless Brooks scores a hatful between now and the end of the year, seems unlikely anyone will see him in that light just yet.

If we do sell him for say 10 mill, we’d need a potentially game-changing third-choice striker to replace him. Anyone come to mind? No, same here. Maybe we could invest in strengthening in other areas but again I’m not sure there are good enough options in our market that justify losing Brooks.

It’s a no for me.

 

[stringer]

Do you talk out your arse on a daily basis?

Actually forget that, based on who you’re employed by, I know the answer already.

Even though that’s exactly what you said? Carruthers after 20 games isn’t good enough, yet 10 is too early to judge Brooks?

 

[FinchleyBlade]

Yep.

Get him sold. Well out of his depth. Bloody rubbish.

 

[super_pig]

nothing going on this weekend eh?

 

[bladesmanluke]

I’m fed up of hearing that the Welsh Ronaldinho can’t defend. Why does he need to fucking defend?

 

[Snowman]

I’m fed up of hearing that the Welsh Ronaldinho can’t defend. Why does he need to fucking defend?

Cos Wilder wants him to and it's part of the game plan that has brought success. It's only one part of his game that needs work and I suspect with his build it may be the most difficult to persuade him to take on.

 

[BigBed]

Just to boil down the OP, I would love to see him stay as part of a promotion winning squad, but if it was the difference between going up or not would you let him go based on current performance and not future potential.
As Eddiecolquhounsleg rightly points out, it's impossible to predict the future, but at some point tough business decisions need to be made.

Frankly, I think I want whatever your on for my next night out!!
We need Brookes to stay at the lane, I'd also like to keep Vickers, and have Whiteman back next season.
We should be looking to the future and the Wilder/Knill years! Chris is looking to build a team, and I'm sure if he gets his way and the right backing, in the next 2-3-4yrs we could have a decent, young, lower half premier league team, why would it even come into his head, to "cash in" on Brookes!?
As a Blade I'm absolutely baffled as to why you'd even consider it after last season and this so far??, I'd also urge you to eather attend more games, to see Brookes play, go to Specsavers, because if you can't see his talent, you obviously need glasses, or, and this is definitely an option after reading the OP, get yoursen or to South barnsley, save up n buy yoursen a Masterb8 shirt, and spend your satdy afternoons not bouncing in a rusty shed.

 

[Slim Man]

Even though that’s exactly what you said? Carruthers after 20 games isn’t good enough, yet 10 is too early to judge Brooks?

Carruthers has had quite a few seasons of first team football.... this is Brooks first proper season. Brooks is a much better player and prospect than Carruthers. Anything else?

Totally different cases.

 

[stringer]

Carruthers has had quite a few seasons of first team football...

Of which you’ve seen one, correct?

 

[andy m]

If Brooks is still with us in 3 years he will be the best player at the club FACT!!!

 

[Wards]

Firstly, my wholehearted congratulations to David Brooks on his first international cap.
Now, onto what will undoubtably be a controversial statement.
At the start of the season we all wanted, and have now seen, some of 'what he can do in a red and white shirt' before losing him to the big boys, or Everton.
So the question for me is, now that his stock has risen again with the international game under his belt, should we cash in in January?
I thought last night against France, he looked out of his depth and have thought so on a number of occasions in the league games in which he's played. I think he's still a way off being the player he could/will be and dare I say it, the player many people think he already is, but the Hillsborough nutmeg and Leeds winner apart, I don't think we've seen a huge amount of 'accomplished all round quality player' stuff or 'game changing player' outcomes....yet.
That being said, I still think he has huge potential and has already shown that he has great talent and a smart footballing brain with the ability to do something 'a bit special' but I'm tempted to think we might just be better off taking the money in January.
I think at the moment DB is more of an entertaining luxury than a game changer and if we were to get some crazy bid of, say, 30 million which could be used to bring in the necessary replacements to takes us up, it would have to be worth it wouldn't it?
I know there'd be no guarantee but surely, being in such a good position with all our good luck and momentum this season, we could utilise the money to sort the final pieces of the promotion jigsaw.
From what I've seen of him so far, David Brooks could go on to become world class. He could also hit his effectiveness level very soon, so what should it be? Stick and hopefully see him help us gain promotion and see him potentially further develop with us or twist to cash in and develop the squad, as we did with the so-called Calvert-Lewin money?
Sadly, for me it has to be the money.

 

[Slim Man]

Of which you’ve seen one, correct?

You seem to be taking this very personally. I don’t rate Carruthers, it’s as simple as that. Have you got some sort of weird affiliation with the bloke?

 

[Ozblade]

If we got £15m for Brooks, only a small proportion would go to Wilders budget (note number of times he’s mentioned in interviews about nagging the owners to give him the Walker sell on money), and we’d then get quoted stupid money for any players we wanted to buy as replacement as they know we’ve got money in the bank. The theory of us using that money to buy 2-3 exciting £5m prospects who ultimately make us stronger never happens.