Tevez joins Man Utd

[sendô WHU]

http://soccerlens.com/the-sheffield...eport-and-west-hams-impossible-position/2608/

This article sums up alot.

He finishes it very well.

Ahmed Bilal and soccerlens?

There was a nice piece on KUMB a little while back where a certain 'sports journalist' shall we say wrote an almost racist piece about West Ham fans, and when challenged tried to back it up by coming up with several instances where he was attacked in the past by West Ham fans, who were (somewhat conveniently) all wearing West Ham shirts.

Forgive me if I ignore anything that site decides to print.

 

[Bladesman]

Forgive me if I ignore anything that site decides to print.

Even if it is pretty much spot on in what it says.

As for racist hammers fans we banned one from here the other month.

 

[happyhippy]

I think the PL have stated it is within THEIR rules. Not the with in the law. As long as the agreement is no longer there, then the PL are stating he could play. It's up to MSI to take it up with WHU in a court of law.

But that's the point. The agreement appears not to have been ripped up, and they lied. Again. It also means that as there, apparently, was a document in existence which wasn't presented, the incorrect conclusions were reached, and therefore that the High Court, at the very least, made an error in law in their decision.

We'll get jack shit, but I'm getting more and more pissed off with the whole thing.

 

[Sensiblade]

I think the PL have stated it is within THEIR rules. Not the with in the law. As long as the agreement is no longer there, then the PL are stating he could play. It's up to MSI to take it up with WHU in a court of law.

I'd love to be able to set up a business and get a load of people to agree to my rulesand sign a contract, include one like 'I'm allowed to steal your cars' and just go around stealing them. But then he proper law says i can't steal the cars, so does my contract with them overide the law? And what happens if the car I steal from one of them is a hire car? (Like Tevez is a hire player).

 

[Robbie]

I'd love to be able to set up a business and get a load of people to agree to my rulesand sign a contract, include one like 'I'm allowed to steal your cars' and just go around stealing them. But then he proper law says i can't steal the cars, so does my contract with them overide the law? And what happens if the car I steal from one of them is a hire car? (Like Tevez is a hire player).

You are talking of a dispute that is totally different.

If a contract is broken in society, it is up to said parties to fight it out between themselves and then bring the law in to it.

Stealing a car is AGAINST the law, end of. A broken contract may not be so severe.

There is also a case of whether the original contract may actually stand up in a court of law.

I never stated either that said contract would override any law. I stated it may not be contravening any PL rule by WHU just unilaterraly tearing up the contract.

 

[silverfox]

PL to meet FIFA on Monday over Tevez.

 

[stinkyblade]

Aye and i bet things run smoothly for the mighty Man U

 

[Sensiblade]

You are talking of a dispute that is totally different.

If a contract is broken in society, it is up to said parties to fight it out between themselves and then bring the law in to it.

Stealing a car is AGAINST the law, end of. A broken contract may not be so severe.

There is also a case of whether the original contract may actually stand up in a court of law.

I never stated either that said contract would override any law. I stated it may not be contravening any PL rule by WHU just unilaterraly tearing up the contract.

The way the PL have stated that they are accepting the contract has been terminated is what I mean. They think they are above the law and that a contract they say is null and void should be in law as well. Which cannot be the case as the contract wasn't between the PL and anyone it was between MSI and Wet Spam. So the PL shouldn't have any say in if it is or isn't terminated.

 

[happyhippy]

You are talking of a dispute that is totally different.

If a contract is broken in society, it is up to said parties to fight it out between themselves and then bring the law in to it.

Stealing a car is AGAINST the law, end of. A broken contract may not be so severe.

There is also a case of whether the original contract may actually stand up in a court of law.

I never stated either that said contract would override any law. I stated it may not be contravening any PL rule by WHU just unilaterraly tearing up the contract.

Absolute bollocks. The contracts have to be within the PL rules. If that contract which we're on about is not correctly dissolved, then it is still against the PL rules. This is the point.

To say "Well, we're not abiding by the contract we signed because you'll say it ok.", is like if I said to HMRC "I'll not pay my income tax for three months, because I'll do that when all my overtime has gone in."

You can't do it. End.

In Employment Law, there is no problem with the original contracts for both Maschereno and El Craterface. However, in the PL rules, you cannot have that type of contract involving a third party. Lest it be forgotten, that was the reason for the first hearing. We didn't ask for that, remember?

Let's remember that it only became 'us' v 'them' because we went down. This started a hell of a long time beforehand.

 

[Robbie]

Absolute bollocks. The contracts have to be within the PL rules. If that contract which we're on about is not correctly dissolved, then it is still against the PL rules. This is the point.

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I totally agree, I really do, BUT if the PL may well be stating that if a contract is unilaterally terminated, it is with in their rules.

We are all going on hearsay though, none of us know the full truth, nor are we likely to.

To be honest, I don't see why this just isn't dropped now anyways.....

 

[Bladesman]

Fifa may not rule on Tevez saga
By Saj Chowdhury

Fifa said it may not have the authority to intervene in the Carlos Tevez saga.

Manchester United and West Ham have asked world football's governing body to settle a dispute over who owns the 23-year-old Argentine striker.

Ahead of the meeting with the Football Association's legal team, Fifa's Andreas Herren told BBC Sport: "We will find out if we can rule on the matter.

He added: "Monday's meeting is more of a fact-finding mission - nothing will be decided."


Fifa does not carry such an explicit prohibition of third-party ownership

Fifa spokesman Andreas Herren

The Tevez dispute revolves around his ownership, with suitors Manchester United unsure who to pay a reported £30m fee.

Tevez is registered as a West Ham player, but businessman Kia Joorabchian claims he owns the striker's economic rights and is therefore entitled to any transfer fee.

However, the Hammers ripped up an agreement they had with Joorabchian - which broke Premier League rules - and they now claim any deal with United can only go ahead with their say-so.

The Premier League is also insisting that any fee must go to West Ham.

However, Herren said that Fifa does not have such a strict ruling on third-party ownership in contrast to the Premier League.

"I know third-party ownership is not favoured in England, but national legislation varies from one country to another and we do not specifically look after the interests of one country's football organisation," added Herren.

"According to our lawyers, Fifa does not carry such an explicit prohibition of third-party ownership as in England."

If Fifa opts to take on the case then the organisation's Dispute Resolution Chamber (DRC) will come into play.

"The DRC will only be employed once the Fifa administration has analysed the case and the documentation has been submitted by all parties," said Herren.

"It is made up of the player's and the club's representatives in order to ensure all parties are represented."

No surprise looks like FIFA may bottle it.

 

[happyhippy]

I totally agree, I really do, BUT if the PL may well be stating that if a contract is unilaterally terminated, it is with in their rules.

We are all going on hearsay though, none of us know the full truth, nor are we likely to.

To be honest, I don't see why this just isn't dropped now anyways.....

If they are, then it's farcical, not to mention in contravention of the law. As to the other two points, true, and true.

 

[Bladesman]

LEAGUE TO ABIDE BY TEVEZ RULING

Chief executive Richard Scudamore has confirmed the Premier League will abide by any ruling FIFA make should football's world governing body step in to rule on the Carlos Tevez affair.

FIFA are still considering their response following a high-level meeting of officials from the Premier League, FA, West Ham and Manchester United on Monday but it appears increasingly likely they will make the final decision on the status of Tevez's relationship with West Ham.

Certainly, with the Premier League forcing the Hammers to adhere to undertakings made when they ripped up a third-party agreement with Tevez's adviser Kia Joorabchian to allow the 23-year-old to play in the final three games of the season, there appears no way the impasse can be ended without FIFA's involvement.

And, even if FIFA eventually clear Tevez to make his £30million move to Manchester United as most pundits predict, Scudamore would be satisfied with the outcome.

"A third party, quite frankly, as far removed from this as possible needs to sort it out," Scudamore said.

"That is why it is better for FIFA to determine it. Hopefully, they can adjudicate and they can do it quickly."

Scudamore insists the Premier League are not absolving themselves of any responsibility for the matter.

Having set up an initial inquiry to hear the case against West Ham, then an arbitration panel in response to Sheffield United's claim the Upton Park outfit should have had points deducted, Scudamore believes the Premier League have acted in accordance with their rules.

However, he does accept the Premier League are now so heavily involved in the matter, it would be wrong for them to make the final decision.

"It is not a question of FIFA stepping in," he said.

"The fact is there has to be a point of determination. Given we have been working with West Ham throughout this process, holding them to account for undertakings they made to us, it would be wrong to get into a determination issue between Carlos Tevez and West Ham."

While much of the blame for the Tevez issue has been planted firmly at the Premier League's door, Scudamore does not see how the organisation could have acted any differently.

It is fair to wonder what chaos would have ensued had the original hearing deducted points from the Hammers, a move that would almost certainly have triggered an appeals process that might still have been ongoing now, less than three weeks before the opening day of the season.

Ultimately, Scudamore believes the Premier League have acted as responsibly and equitably as possible given the dire situation West Ham's former administration put them in.

"The league as an entity only works when people are straight with you," he said.

"Yes, this is a high intensity business but when you strip it all down the Premier League is a club comprising 20 football clubs. The whole thing can collapse quite easily if you are led astray by an act of bad faith.

"For eight months now, we have been trying to resolve this issue as well as keeping the rule book in tact. It is quite difficult.

"While there has been pressure of sorts, you just have to do what you think is right given you are starting off from a very bad position where you have been a victim of an act of bad

Eight months on and you still havnt solved it Scudamore you twat.

 

[Sensiblade]

FIFA have wimped out and put it onto the court of arbitration

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/6912571.stm

 

[silverfox]

No one will take any responsibilty and make a decision.

Says it all really.

 

[Bladesman]

No one will take any responsibilty and make a decision.

Says it all really.

Exactly its beyond a joke and now and no one has the bollocks to say yes or no to anything.

 

[silverfox]

Media Sports Investments, the company who claim to own Carlos Tevez's economic rights, have issued a High Court writ against West Ham United, according to Sky Sports News.

MSI are trying to broker Tevez's proposed move to Manchester United, but the Premier League have insisted that West Ham must receive any transfer fee.

The Hammers insist they still own Tevez's registration and that has led to the latest action.

The whole Tevez saga was taken to Fifa last week and they ruled on Tuesday that the case would be best heard by the Court of Arbitration for Sport.

MSI are desperate for the case to be resolved as soon as possible and they feel High Court action is the best avenue for them to take.

 

[bladeswench]

This is just to rediculous to be believed anymore.

 

[!tf]

that cunts caused soo much trouble

 

[Bladesman]

Well we all know how it will turn out and it wont invole us gaining anything.

We all knew the truth would starting coming out once the season had ended.

Really does annoy you reading about it and even more so that Kia took so long to actually do something coz if he had come out sooner it may of actually saved alot of trouble.

 

[happyhippy]

You couldn't write it, could you?

 

[Robbie]

You couldn't write it, could you?

Thought he just did haha

 

[Bladesman]

Well this is the contract.

http://img119.imageshack.us/img119/9564/contractar4.jpg

 

[happyhippy]

Ha ha I like that!

 

[s20steve]

very good :lol:

 

[bladeswench]

That is brilliant!

 

[silverfox]

Here we go.....sweeping under the carpet we go...........

Kia Joorabchian believes Carlos Tevez’s future could be resolved as early as next week.

The Argentina forward’s protracted move to Manchester United from West Ham had seemed unlikely to be completed before the start of the Barclays Premier League season after Joorabchian issued High Court proceedings against the London club in a bid to resolve the thorny issue of the player’s ownership.

However, according to the Daily Star, an out-of-court settlement could be reached soon.

“There is a possibility it may get resolved next week,” Joorabchian told the newspaper.

 

[Robbie]

ARGGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

Can this thread be closed and nobody allowed to start another? lol

 

[Bladesman]

Here we go.....sweeping under the carpet we go...........

Kia Joorabchian believes Carlos Tevez’s future could be resolved as early as next week.

The Argentina forward’s protracted move to Manchester United from West Ham had seemed unlikely to be completed before the start of the Barclays Premier League season after Joorabchian issued High Court proceedings against the London club in a bid to resolve the thorny issue of the player’s ownership.

However, according to the Daily Star, an out-of-court settlement could be reached soon.

“There is a possibility it may get resolved next week,” Joorabchian told the newspaper.

Did we expect anything less ?

Sweep it under the carpet like nothing happend split the bulk of the money between themselves and no one will ever know whether the deal was legit or not. Thus letting the PL get off the hook and not have to deal with it anymore.

 

[silverfox]

So after the Premier League said that most of any fee MUST go to West Ham it may only now be £100,000.

What a way to run football.

http://football.guardian.co.uk/News_Story/0,,2137293,00.html