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I think it's time we gave this whole affair a break.
Tevez joins Man Utd
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Bladesman
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How can we now a whole new can worms has been opened.
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I was thinking in terms of this forum. Let the club handle it cause we actually know very little about this piece.
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"I have been open and honest with West Ham every step of the way and I hope the fans understand."
Tevez also claims he only decided to quit Upton Park after The Hammers decided not to make his deal permanent.
"My representatives sat down with West Ham at the end of the season and once it became clear they were not going to sign me, they gave me permission to talk to other clubs so I am surprised this is causing such a stink," the Argentine said.
Tevez also claims he only decided to quit Upton Park after The Hammers decided not to make his deal permanent.
"My representatives sat down with West Ham at the end of the season and once it became clear they were not going to sign me, they gave me permission to talk to other clubs so I am surprised this is causing such a stink," the Argentine said.
silverfox
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From the Daily Mail.........
Murkier and murkier. Fouler and fouler. The Carlos Tevez affair is plumbing depths so fetid that, unless justice is dragged screaming from this quagmire, the Premier League will be in danger of drowning in its own effluent when it re-opens for dodgy business next month.
This is a catastrophe in the making, not only for the one sport which excites even wilder passions than sex among the people of this country but also for Britain's longheld and jealously guarded reputation for fair play.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/li...le_id=467095&in_page_id=1951&in_author_id=260
Murkier and murkier. Fouler and fouler. The Carlos Tevez affair is plumbing depths so fetid that, unless justice is dragged screaming from this quagmire, the Premier League will be in danger of drowning in its own effluent when it re-opens for dodgy business next month.
This is a catastrophe in the making, not only for the one sport which excites even wilder passions than sex among the people of this country but also for Britain's longheld and jealously guarded reputation for fair play.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/li...le_id=467095&in_page_id=1951&in_author_id=260
silverfox
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Latest from The Star...........
SHEFFIELD United will scrutinise Carlos Tevez's proposed move to Manchester United for any evidence of wrongdoing as they look to increase the pressure on the FA Premier League to award them substantial compensation last season's relegation to the Championship.
West Ham, whose capture of Tevez led to the London club being fined for deliberately breaching the rules governing third-party ownership of players, are on the verge of losing the striker who spearheaded May's remarkable escape from the drop.
The Argentine has agreed personal terms with Sir Alex Ferguson's side following talks about a transfer to Old Trafford.
United argue that by failing to deduct West Ham points and then refusing to cancel Tevez's registration, Alan Curbishley's team were granted an unfair advantage in the fight to avoid a bottom three finish.
On Friday, United will head to the High Court to seek permission for a legal appeal against the decision of an arbitration panel to order a fresh investigation into West Ham's behaviour.
The deal to take Tevez to Old Trafford is complex.
MSI, the firm who own Tevez, argue their 'economic rights' must be respected despite West Ham's insistence they unilaterally tore up the offending clauses .
United's plc chairman, Kevin McCabe, believes that Manchester United's difficulty in negotiating safe passage through the most controversial contract in football adds further weight to his call for the matter to be reviewed again.
"If I understand the deal correctly, then it would involve a type of loan over two years with something like £3 million payable per year," McCabe said. "Nobody can say, when you are talking about such a significant sum of money, that it isn't a transfer fee.
"It would go to show what we have believed all along if some of that money goes back to a third party.
"With the information we now possess, and the knowledge we had before the arbitration, we are just as determined to press ahead.
"Wwe recognise that if we are allowed to proceed (through the courts) then it could take months because that is the timescale involved in these sort of matters.
SHEFFIELD United will scrutinise Carlos Tevez's proposed move to Manchester United for any evidence of wrongdoing as they look to increase the pressure on the FA Premier League to award them substantial compensation last season's relegation to the Championship.
West Ham, whose capture of Tevez led to the London club being fined for deliberately breaching the rules governing third-party ownership of players, are on the verge of losing the striker who spearheaded May's remarkable escape from the drop.
The Argentine has agreed personal terms with Sir Alex Ferguson's side following talks about a transfer to Old Trafford.
United argue that by failing to deduct West Ham points and then refusing to cancel Tevez's registration, Alan Curbishley's team were granted an unfair advantage in the fight to avoid a bottom three finish.
On Friday, United will head to the High Court to seek permission for a legal appeal against the decision of an arbitration panel to order a fresh investigation into West Ham's behaviour.
The deal to take Tevez to Old Trafford is complex.
MSI, the firm who own Tevez, argue their 'economic rights' must be respected despite West Ham's insistence they unilaterally tore up the offending clauses .
United's plc chairman, Kevin McCabe, believes that Manchester United's difficulty in negotiating safe passage through the most controversial contract in football adds further weight to his call for the matter to be reviewed again.
"If I understand the deal correctly, then it would involve a type of loan over two years with something like £3 million payable per year," McCabe said. "Nobody can say, when you are talking about such a significant sum of money, that it isn't a transfer fee.
"It would go to show what we have believed all along if some of that money goes back to a third party.
"With the information we now possess, and the knowledge we had before the arbitration, we are just as determined to press ahead.
"Wwe recognise that if we are allowed to proceed (through the courts) then it could take months because that is the timescale involved in these sort of matters.
Sensiblade
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Disappointed we appear to be letting him go, but then we only signed him so we could cheat Sheff Utd out of relegation anyway.
Besides, he didn't cost anything, easy come easy go.
Surely we'd still be in the Prem if you'd cheated us OUT of relegation!?!
:lol:
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Fifa and the FA may get involved.............
Carlos Tevez's representatives are ready to call in FIFA and the Football Association in a bid to force through the player's transfer to Manchester United.
The Argentina striker's proposed move to Old Trafford has been put on hold after the Premier League ruled West Ham must receive the vast majority of the reported £30million-plus fee.
But West Ham are not in a position to handle the transfer because Tevez's economic rights are owned by businessman Kia Joorabchian.
Manchester United have agreed terms with Tevez and Joorabchian and hoped to have everything tied up last week - but the deal has now reached an impasse.
It is understood some of those involved in the negotiations believe the Premier League can no longer act as independent arbiter in the case.
And Tevez's representatives are set to request help from the FA and FIFA - the two bodies who oversee transfers at a domestic and international level.
It is understood any such move would be endorsed by Manchester United.
A source close to the negotiations said: "Diplomatic moves are being made. We are in deadlock and we need an independent body to try and sort this mess out.
"The lawyers all agree Manchester United and Joorabchian are within their rights to do a deal - but the Premier League are saying they can't.
"The Premier League seem to have a vested interest now. They are covering their own backs after allowing West Ham to continue playing Tevez last season.
"Their whole argument is built on the premise West Ham tore up Tevez's contract and claimed to control the player.
"But any court in the land will tell you they cannot do that."
West Ham, after being fined £5.5million by the independent inquiry, "satisfied" the Premier League they had terminated the third-party agreement in Tevez's contract.
Having accepted Tevez was now controlled by West Ham and allowed him to play on last season, the Premier League were compelled to state the club had to conduct the transfer.
To accept Joorabchian retains control of the player would not only be a major climbdown but could result in legal action from Sheffield United, who felt they were unfairly relegated.
Unless FIFA or the FA can help manufacture a breakthrough, the matter would appear to be heading for the courts.
However it pans out, Tevez is on his way from Upton Park and West Ham on Tuesday completed the £7.5million signing of Craig Bellamy from Liverpool as his replacement
Carlos Tevez's representatives are ready to call in FIFA and the Football Association in a bid to force through the player's transfer to Manchester United.
The Argentina striker's proposed move to Old Trafford has been put on hold after the Premier League ruled West Ham must receive the vast majority of the reported £30million-plus fee.
But West Ham are not in a position to handle the transfer because Tevez's economic rights are owned by businessman Kia Joorabchian.
Manchester United have agreed terms with Tevez and Joorabchian and hoped to have everything tied up last week - but the deal has now reached an impasse.
It is understood some of those involved in the negotiations believe the Premier League can no longer act as independent arbiter in the case.
And Tevez's representatives are set to request help from the FA and FIFA - the two bodies who oversee transfers at a domestic and international level.
It is understood any such move would be endorsed by Manchester United.
A source close to the negotiations said: "Diplomatic moves are being made. We are in deadlock and we need an independent body to try and sort this mess out.
"The lawyers all agree Manchester United and Joorabchian are within their rights to do a deal - but the Premier League are saying they can't.
"The Premier League seem to have a vested interest now. They are covering their own backs after allowing West Ham to continue playing Tevez last season.
"Their whole argument is built on the premise West Ham tore up Tevez's contract and claimed to control the player.
"But any court in the land will tell you they cannot do that."
West Ham, after being fined £5.5million by the independent inquiry, "satisfied" the Premier League they had terminated the third-party agreement in Tevez's contract.
Having accepted Tevez was now controlled by West Ham and allowed him to play on last season, the Premier League were compelled to state the club had to conduct the transfer.
To accept Joorabchian retains control of the player would not only be a major climbdown but could result in legal action from Sheffield United, who felt they were unfairly relegated.
Unless FIFA or the FA can help manufacture a breakthrough, the matter would appear to be heading for the courts.
However it pans out, Tevez is on his way from Upton Park and West Ham on Tuesday completed the £7.5million signing of Craig Bellamy from Liverpool as his replacement
Sensiblade
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It goes on and on and on and on
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/m/man_utd/6290492.stm
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/m/man_utd/6290492.stm
I think WHU have not fully considered what their actions would be when they claimed they had cancelled the contract with MSI.
It could come back to bite them. Especially if there is a new case to presented. Surely the PL can not be so lenient a second time round for the same offence, with a further lie. And this time they can't behind the "it was all terence brown's fault"
It could come back to bite them. Especially if there is a new case to presented. Surely the PL can not be so lenient a second time round for the same offence, with a further lie. And this time they can't behind the "it was all terence brown's fault"
Bladesman
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Gets more and more intresting.
Although i guess the PL will just fine them abit more the 2nd time round.
bladeswench
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Well I have to say I agree to this statement. They are trying to cover their asses.
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its not over yet is it
Fucking hell.
So it seems that Man Utd are about to enter into the same type of deal with Tevez and MSI that West Ham had?
If I was the FA I would just say that in order for Tevez to play in England, either West Ham or Man Utd will have to buy him outright from MSI, or loan him from a registered football club (not a company). If not he has to fuck off.
Would put an end to the whole situation for once and for all. I for one am at the point now where I wish he'd just fuck off so we can all get on with next season. I'm sick to death of reading about it every day.
So it seems that Man Utd are about to enter into the same type of deal with Tevez and MSI that West Ham had?
If I was the FA I would just say that in order for Tevez to play in England, either West Ham or Man Utd will have to buy him outright from MSI, or loan him from a registered football club (not a company). If not he has to fuck off.
Would put an end to the whole situation for once and for all. I for one am at the point now where I wish he'd just fuck off so we can all get on with next season. I'm sick to death of reading about it every day.
happyhippy
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I don't think you're the only one.
I’m personally (and perhaps selfishly) happy that Man Utd are trying to sign Tevez because the dealings between Man U, West Ham, MSI, et al are accentuating the irregularities in the ownership of said player and ultimately helping our case for compensation.
Man U see the opportunity to sign a player worth upwards of 20 million quid for a comparative pittance and so I do not blame them for perusing the deal, if Liverpool brokered a legally sound deal for Mascerano then surely a similar deal can be struck for his compatriot.
Aye, but WHU never claimed to have ripped up said agreement for Mascherano. The problem is lying with the PL stating WHU should receive any monies from the sale/loan of the player.
True, i'm having a hard time keeping abreast of the why's and wherefores of this little soap apera.
Basically, as long as west ham get shafted i'm happy
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From the West Han fans............
In an alarming development Kia Joorabchian has upped the Ante in the Carlos Tevez transfer saga. It seems that Manchester United are trying to finish off what Liverpool started by stitching up Eggert Magnusson in order to get their hands on the player they want, their lawyers have brokered a situation whereby Carlos Tevez's agent has threatened to reveal damning evidence that could severely jeopardise Hammers claim that they had terminated all agreements with MSI prior to the Premiership's ultimate findings into the transfers of Tevez and Mascherano. This situation is the nightmare inherited by the incumbent Hammers chairman, "a deal that he would never had agreed to", a certain Mr Brown would do well to give the Boleyn a wide berth in the considerable future. Without wanting to rock the boat, Scott Duxberry might want to consider his position, having been involved in the original deal he may consider that his situation has become untenable and that it is in the best interest of the club if he chose to resign from his post.. Where to now for the newly crowned bad boys of the Premiership? Well probably to court, in fact definitely to court, any chance that the Tevez saga was going to have a peaceful ending has now been blown to pieces, Sheffield McBaby and his cronies will latch onto this big time, but 'Kia' has really shot himself in the foot with this one. By being party to a supposedly illegally continued third party agreement having confirmed that the original agreement had been terminated, Joorabchian has either given false evidence or at the least withheld vital information that was requested from him. Basically this is a kidnap and ransom situation all in one, either Hammers back down or the can of worms gets opened, either way Carlitos is long gone, the problem now is the fall out.. Some weeks ago we ran an article questioning whether Eggert Magnusson was going to play hard ball over the Tevez s deal, his statement that Carlitos was a contracted West Ham player came around the same time that the club allegedly gave the player and his agent permission to talk to other clubs.. Things get curious with the last piece of the jigsaw, West Ham have the option to buy Tevez outright in a straight one off deal for £40 Million!. We have now finally found out that rumors of a £40 Million price tag for each player were close to the truth. Why would West Ham pay a vast amount of money to keep a player who so clearly wants away? Because the club HAS to resolve the problem, it looks like Eggert's moneyman might need to dig deep in his pockets to get the club out of the crap, Hammers may even be forced into the bizarre circumstance of having to but Tevez only to have to lwt him go out on loan to the Mancs!. This was the car crash waiting to happen, it is going to run and run, at least Egget hasn't got any hair to pull out. - Ed
In an alarming development Kia Joorabchian has upped the Ante in the Carlos Tevez transfer saga. It seems that Manchester United are trying to finish off what Liverpool started by stitching up Eggert Magnusson in order to get their hands on the player they want, their lawyers have brokered a situation whereby Carlos Tevez's agent has threatened to reveal damning evidence that could severely jeopardise Hammers claim that they had terminated all agreements with MSI prior to the Premiership's ultimate findings into the transfers of Tevez and Mascherano. This situation is the nightmare inherited by the incumbent Hammers chairman, "a deal that he would never had agreed to", a certain Mr Brown would do well to give the Boleyn a wide berth in the considerable future. Without wanting to rock the boat, Scott Duxberry might want to consider his position, having been involved in the original deal he may consider that his situation has become untenable and that it is in the best interest of the club if he chose to resign from his post.. Where to now for the newly crowned bad boys of the Premiership? Well probably to court, in fact definitely to court, any chance that the Tevez saga was going to have a peaceful ending has now been blown to pieces, Sheffield McBaby and his cronies will latch onto this big time, but 'Kia' has really shot himself in the foot with this one. By being party to a supposedly illegally continued third party agreement having confirmed that the original agreement had been terminated, Joorabchian has either given false evidence or at the least withheld vital information that was requested from him. Basically this is a kidnap and ransom situation all in one, either Hammers back down or the can of worms gets opened, either way Carlitos is long gone, the problem now is the fall out.. Some weeks ago we ran an article questioning whether Eggert Magnusson was going to play hard ball over the Tevez s deal, his statement that Carlitos was a contracted West Ham player came around the same time that the club allegedly gave the player and his agent permission to talk to other clubs.. Things get curious with the last piece of the jigsaw, West Ham have the option to buy Tevez outright in a straight one off deal for £40 Million!. We have now finally found out that rumors of a £40 Million price tag for each player were close to the truth. Why would West Ham pay a vast amount of money to keep a player who so clearly wants away? Because the club HAS to resolve the problem, it looks like Eggert's moneyman might need to dig deep in his pockets to get the club out of the crap, Hammers may even be forced into the bizarre circumstance of having to but Tevez only to have to lwt him go out on loan to the Mancs!. This was the car crash waiting to happen, it is going to run and run, at least Egget hasn't got any hair to pull out. - Ed
bladeswench
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Well it seems to me the hammers don't have much of a choice since the league really wont let them back down.
And how can it be resolved by buying a player they already supposedly own. Still seems like an open can of worms to me.
its all a catch 22 situation. If they dont they are fucked, as we can all see. However if they stump up the £40m for him, that then shows that the so called torn up contract with MSI wasnt actually torn up, and therefore they have proved that they have been untruthfull
Not necessarily MAQ,
If WHU buy the contract off MSI then it would be hard to prove the original wasn't torn up, unless MSI come forward. Because effectively they wouldn't be admitting guilt, but they would just be buying him outright.
Man United are not buying the player, they will only be loaning him again, but with no 3rd party influence. But this is at a cost, to which the PL state WHU should get all monies as he is effectively their player.... in fact I might be confusing myself haha, ingore me
If WHU buy the contract off MSI then it would be hard to prove the original wasn't torn up, unless MSI come forward. Because effectively they wouldn't be admitting guilt, but they would just be buying him outright.
Man United are not buying the player, they will only be loaning him again, but with no 3rd party influence. But this is at a cost, to which the PL state WHU should get all monies as he is effectively their player.... in fact I might be confusing myself haha, ingore me
The way I understood it, the original contract that was torn up was the "MSI can sell Tevez without West Ham's permission" contract.
It's the PL that are fucking things up by demanding that WH get the transfer fee. I for one am happy to see the back of Tevez and all this bollocks and get on with next season.
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