Tevez joins Man Utd

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a very well constructed article. I for one cant disagree with any points made
 
West Ham have refused to let him have a medical...........

Manchester United's hopes of Carlos Tevez undergoing a medical tomorrow are in limbo after they failed to secure permission for the tests from West Ham.

The Argentina striker flew in to Manchester tonight and United had been preparing to put the 23-year-old through a series of fitness and medical checks.



http://football.guardian.co.uk/News_Story/0,,2128611,00.html
 
Sky are reporting Tevez has requested FIFA to arbitrate in the dispute he has with West Ham.
 
Details from The Times.........

David Gill, the Manchester United chief executive, says the club are to take take the Carlos Tevez dispute to Fifa.

Tevez flew into Manchester yesterday with the intention of undergoing a medical this morning but West Ham United refused to grant permission. Gill said the case would be rushed through by Fifa's resolution chamber so that it could be dealt with as soon as possible. He also expressed his confidence that the Argentinian striker would eventually become a Manchester United player.

Talks between Maurice Watkins, the United lawyer, and Eggert Magnusson, the West Ham chairman, at the Premier League's offices in London yesterday ended in stalemate with no agreement reached over the 23-year-old.

One club cannot give a player a medical unless his current club agrees and West Ham will not give formal permission for a medical until they have been made an offer and accepted it.

West Ham remain adamant that they hold Tevez's registration, that he is contracted to them for another three years and that they have unilaterally terminated all third-party agreements with Tevez's representative Kia Joorabchian.

The Iranian businessman maintains that his company, Media Sports Investments (MSI), own the economic rights to the player and that they have already agreed personal terms with Manchester United.

United are understood to have agreed an initial loan deal for Tevez with a view to a permanent transfer, a similar deal to that which took Javier Mascherano from West Ham to Liverpool in January. That hit a stumbling block, however, because in January West Ham cancelled Mascherano's registration. The Premier League are not allowing the club to go through the same procedure with Tevez on the basis that such a move would indicate the original agreements with Joorabchian were still binding despite assurances to the contrary.

United expect a Fifa panel will hear the Tevez case in around two weeks, although Fifa said they will have to first decide whether they are the correct organisation to deal with it. “If a complaint is submitted to Fifa our legal department will take a look at it and see whether we are the competent authority to deal with the matter,” Andreas Herren, a Fifa spokesman said.
 
Oh god im sick to death of hearing about the ugly twat.

The sooner he signs for Man U the better.

The more this drags on the more we are being proved right and the more it annoys me that West Ham got away with it.
 
Its getting to confusing for me to be honest i havent a clue whas going on
 
Oh god im sick to death of hearing about the ugly twat.

The sooner he signs for Man U the better.

The more this drags on the more we are being proved right and the more it annoys me that West Ham got away with it.

My feelings exatcly, i think that the PL will continue to look the other way while it become more and more apparent that Kia is in charge of Tevez future.

I feel like someone has stolen my car and keeps driving past my house blowing the horn.
 
I feel like someone has stolen my car and keeps driving past my house blowing the horn.


That is the perfect anaolgy.

It just grates that the premier League thing that by ordering the fee go to West Ham it makes everything right.

Everyone knows there is a third party contract which is most likely leagally binding. Manchester knows it that is why they have been dealing with Kia. For the Premiereship to ignore what is as plane as day and just say this is how it is going to be is absurd.

Step up to the plate and admit it. West Ham screwed you over again and it is time to smack them down.
 
I feel like someone has stolen my car and keeps driving past my house blowing the horn.

Totally agree there couldnt sum it up better really. :)
 
From the Mirror

Kia starts to fight back..............

CARLOS TEVEZ has pleaded with FIFA to let him quit West Ham in a £30million dream move to Manchester United as his representative Kia Joorabchian launched a stinging attack on the Hammers.

Accusing the Upton Park outfit of being two-faced, the Iranian-born businessman said: "West Ham have consistently provided private assurances while at the same time making contrary statements to the public at large."

Things came to a head yesterday after talks between United, West Ham, Joorabchian and the Premier League failed to settle the issue.

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Now FIFA will have the final say on one of the most controversial transfers in recent history. But Joorabchian turned the screw on the underpressure Hammers, adding: "We see no alternative but to bring the true circumstances to the attention of a higher authority.

"Over the last six months West Ham have made repeated promises and assurances which they have not acted upon or performed. It is now time for these inconsistencies to be brought to an end.

"We can no longer allow these inconsistencies to continue unaddressed."

Tevez is desperate to join United and he and Joorabchian are contesting West Ham's claim that they have the striker tied to a four-year deal.

The Argentina star insists he only joined them on a one-year contract, with an option to extend, which he claims was never taken up.Positive Tevez said: "I want a positive solution to allow me to move to Manchester United in the same way Javier Mascherano joined Liverpool in January.

"I am very grateful to West Ham. The club and the fans are sensational but when it comes to football, I believe a good transfer will be good for them.

"I would like the deal completed so I can go on holiday full of peace and calm.

But I am convinced I will play for Manchester United next season."

If FIFA decide in Tevez's favour, United will be free to negotiate a deal with Joorabchian to sign the 23-year-old. Any transfer would be scrutinised by the Premier League.

But if FIFA find in favour of West Ham and decide that Tevez is under contract, United would then have to begin the process of negotiating a transfer free with the Hammers in order to sign him. United chief executive David Gill, speaking on the club's pre-season tour of the Far East, said he remained confident FIFA will find in Tevez's favour and that the player will be theirs before the transfer deadline on August 31.

Gill said: "We're very confident that the issue will be resolved in favour of the player and for him to achieve his and our wish to join Manchester United."

A West Ham spokesman said: "It now makes sense for this to be dealt with by FIFA. All parties agree this is the best way forward."
 
Involvement of FIFA may boost Blades
By Ian Appleyard

SHEFFIELD United will monitor the FIFA investigation into the 'ownership' of Carlos Tevez in the knowledge that it could yet re-open a door to Premiership football next season.
The Argentinian striker's proposed £30m move to champions Manchester United has been delayed by a dispute between West Ham United and his advisor Kia Joorabchian.

All parties agree that FIFA should now end the deadlock and decide who owns the player – the Hammers or Joorabchian.

Significantly, the Hammers were only allowed to keep playing Tevez last season after convincing the Premier League that all third-party clauses in the player's contract had been severed.

Should it emerge that Joorabchian is still involved, the Blades will demand that the Hammers are docked points – a move that could lift the Blades out of the relegation zone.

The alternative would be a £50m compensation case – based on the amount of money the Blades have lost as a result of relegation to the Championship.

Manchester United remain confident that Tevez, who scored an all-important winner for the Hammers at Old Trafford on the final day of the season, will become their player but the FIFA hearing could take place just one week before the start of the new season.

After scrapping plans for Tevez to have a medical, United chief executive David Gill said: "There has been a lot of discussions over the last few days between Manchester United, West Ham and the Premier League but the case will probably go before FIFA's dispute resolution chamber.

"We are very confident this will be resolved in favour of the player and he will be free to achieve his wish of joining Manchester United."

West Ham confirmed that they have written to the Premier League requesting the matter be referred to FIFA.

United legal expert Maurice Watkins met with West Ham chairman Eggert Magnusson in London on Tuesday, yet despite feeling reasonably optimistic a solution could be negotiated, there was only deadlock.

Although Old Trafford officials want to push the matter through as quickly as possible, there remains the possibility that Tevez, who has now been allowed to start a short holiday, might not be signed before the August 31 transfer deadline.

While FIFA will examine all the documentation before deciding whether they have any jurisdiction over the case, it seems certain the Premier League – as well as West Ham – would be happy to abide by any decision.

Should FIFA decide that that are unable to resolve the issue, the next port of call would be the Court of Arbitration for Sport .

Mick McGuire, deputy chief executive of the Professional Footballers' Association, often represents players in disputes that go before FIFA's dispute resolution committee (DRC)

McGuire said: "It could drag on. But FIFA make the regulations on transfer windows and know the time frames – you would hope they take that into account. You can take it to the next stage, to CAS, and that would be the final appeal stage."

PFA chief executive Gordon Taylor has previously highlighted the problems of players being owned by companies or individuals.

"It's trafficking in people, which is never good," said Taylor. "Once you get an individual or a company – not a football club – owning a player, you will get
trouble.

"From a PFA point of view, you can't have players owned by individuals rather than clubs because it will make a mockery of the transfer system. If you have a situation where that is the case then it will lead to nothing but trouble."

I guess we will keep tabs on it all still but i thought FIFA were already looking into this back in April ?
 

I feel like someone has stolen my car and keeps driving past my house blowing the horn.

More like you got plastered and lost your car, and you keep seeing one similar to it thinking that it's yours when he isn't. ;)

Everyone knows there is a third party contract which is most likely leagally binding. Manchester knows it that is why they have been dealing with Kia.

It remains to be seen if there is any third party agreement still in place, and the fact is no-one knows either way.

The reason why Manure are dealing with Kia and not West Ham is it suits then because a) West Ham didnt want to sell Tevez, certainly not to Man U, and b) He will cost more if West Ham own him.

I'm glad it will go to FIFA. Hopefully they'll sort it all out and we can forget about it. TBH the whole thing is doing my head in.
 
More like you got plastered and lost your car, and you keep seeing one similar to it thinking that it's yours when he isn't. ;)

Like West ham and Tevez

It remains to be seen if there is any third party agreement still in place, and the fact is no-one knows either way.

The reason why Manure are dealing with Kia and not West Ham is it suits then because a) West Ham didnt want to sell Tevez, certainly not to Man U, and b) He will cost more if West Ham own him.
Which they almost certainly don't
I'm glad it will go to FIFA. Hopefully they'll sort it all out and we can forget about it. TBH the whole thing is doing my head in.

I think it's doing everyones head in TBH. Even if they end up looking like tit's for 5 minutes why can't they all just tell the truth and get it over with, cos it'll all come out in the end one way or another.
 
It remains to be seen if there is any third party agreement still in place, and the fact is no-one knows either way.

The reason why Manure are dealing with Kia and not West Ham is it suits then because a) West Ham didnt want to sell Tevez, certainly not to Man U, and b) He will cost more if West Ham own him.

I'm glad it will go to FIFA. Hopefully they'll sort it all out and we can forget about it. TBH the whole thing is doing my head in.
OH COME ON!!!! Jesus.
 
Premiership - Hammers hit back at Joorabchian

West Ham have strongly rejected Kia Joorabchian's recent claims that they have made "false statements" over the Carlos Tevez affair.


Joorabchian had claimed that West Ham statements over the last few weeks had been "wholly inconsistent with the real circumstances and the situation presented to us by West Ham concerning Carlos Tevez".

But the east London club have hit back in a strongly-worded statement issued on their their official website.

It read: "West Ham totally rejects the latest outburst and threats issued in the name of Kia Joorabchian in relation to the situation regarding Carlos Tevez.

"We will not be drawn into this form of public mudslinging but these latest statements cannot go unanswered.

"Mr Joorabchian entered into agreements with the previous regime at West Ham United at a time in which he was attempting to take over the club. Those arrangements, since terminated by West Ham United, led the club into serious disciplinary difficulties for which the club has paid a heavy price.

"It is absolutely clear that the only contract relating to Carlos Tevez recognised by West Ham United and the Premier League is the player's four-year contract which runs until June 2010. All other arrangements were terminated by West Ham on 27th April 2007 and no legal challenge to that termination has occurred.

"West Ham United can also confirm that all documentation regarding the club and Carlos Tevez has already been submitted to the Premier League and fully scrutinised by them. We have ensured full disclosure.

"The club has in recent weeks made every effort to keep Carlos Tevez at West Ham United and indeed offered significantly improved terms and conditions to the player, which were not accepted.

"However, a transfer of a properly registered player cannot occur without agreement between two clubs and the Premier League.

"Without such an agreement we believe that it is in the interest of all parties to resolve this issue as quickly as possible through the procedures laid down by FIFA."

The world governing body is set to intervene in the affair in a bid to clarify the confusion over who actually owns Tevez. The decision will pave the way for the Copa America star's protracted move to Manchester United.

"Public threats and accusations are irrelevant, let FIFA decide and West Ham United will accept that judgement whatever the outcome. The time has come to settle this matter in a way which will allow everyone concerned to move on."


Heavy price my ass. More like the change found in the sofa.
 
More like you got plastered and lost your car, and you keep seeing one similar to it thinking that it's yours when he isn't. ;)

I doubt it ;).

sendo WHU said:
It remains to be seen if there is any third party agreement still in place, and the fact is no-one knows either way.

And if so, then how could any panel make a decision? If what you say is correct, then there were two decisions made in the absence of a material fact, and therefore in law.

Sendo WHU said:
The reason why Manure are dealing with Kia and not West Ham is it suits then because a) West Ham didnt want to sell Tevez, certainly not to Man U, and b) He will cost more if West Ham own him.

More likely because they know he is the true holder of the economic rights, and that your club have been lying all along. Why are there 'if's in this when you were supposed to own the rights to him?

Sendo WHU said:
I'm glad it will go to FIFA. Hopefully they'll sort it all out and we can forget about it. TBH the whole thing is doing my head in.

Maybe you've missed the ........ oh, never mind ......... ;)
 
OH COME ON!!!! Jesus.

I'm not Jesus just a regular guy. ;)

Heavy price my ass. More like the change found in the sofa.

Please can I come round your house and rumage through your sofa?

More likely because they know he is the true holder of the economic rights, and that your club have been lying all along. Why are there 'if's in this when you were supposed to own the rights to him?

There are ifs because, funnily enough, I am not West Ham and am merely a fan, and as such I, like all you, am just speculating on all this.

One thing I think all you lot should realise is if FIFA rule that West Ham don't own Tevez and the money goes to Kia, Sheff Utd won't get fuck all, and I doubt West Ham will get any form of punishment. The PL have advised West Ham that what they've done (re. the tearing up of the third party contract) is legit, therefore they should carry the can for any fuck ups, not that they will.
 
The PL have advised West Ham that what they've done (re. the tearing up of the third party contract)

Yeah and its obvious that hasnt happend.
 
Sheff Utd won't get fuck all
true, i dont think any united fan expects us to be reinstated now.

I doubt West Ham will get any form of punishment.
I think west ham will get punished with a massive fine and maybe points deducted for next season if the contract was never ripped up. Obviously the PL can't do this because they're bent but I think FIFA would step in fine you and also fine the PL, which if the contract was never ripped up is what you both deserve.
 
One thing I think all you lot should realise is if FIFA rule that West Ham don't own Tevez and the money goes to Kia, Sheff Utd won't get fuck all, and I doubt West Ham will get any form of punishment. The PL have advised West Ham that what they've done (re. the tearing up of the third party contract) is legit, therefore they should carry the can for any fuck ups, not that they will.

I'm no expert but I don't think the PL have the Legal right to tell West Ham that them tearing up a legal contract with MSI is legit because the only people that can do that are MSI and their lawyers IMO. (Am I right Linz?)
 
I'm no expert but I don't think the PL have the Legal right to tell West Ham that them tearing up a legal contract with MSI is legit because the only people that can do that are MSI and their lawyers IMO. (Am I right Linz?)

I think the PL have stated it is within THEIR rules. Not the with in the law. As long as the agreement is no longer there, then the PL are stating he could play. It's up to MSI to take it up with WHU in a court of law.
 
Please can I come round your house and rumage through your sofa?

It is relative to what they make in income in the premiership. Relative to what I make (what you would find in my sofa) wont get you a cup of coffee especially with the exchange rate. :D
 
I think the PL have stated it is within THEIR rules. Not the with in the law. As long as the agreement is no longer there, then the PL are stating he could play. It's up to MSI to take it up with WHU in a court of law.

Yeah that's pretty much the point I was trying to make. I don't think there is any doubt that in law you can't just tear up a contract if both sides don't agree to it.
 

Yeah that's pretty much the point I was trying to make. I don't think there is any doubt that in law you can't just tear up a contract if both sides don't agree to it.

This is why we have a case against the PL. It should not have been allowed, BUT because the PL make their own rules, they chose this was acceptable on THEIR side.

There probably wasn't a rule in the first instance that a team can unilateraly terminate a contract, so they had to make a decision, albeit a wrong one.
 

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