Terrible Training Pitch and Match Reaction

[robbiez666]

It’s party time every night in the fallowfield household

Do you work nights?

 

[Broomhall Blade]

I agree that this coaching team seem very slow to notice and react to things on the pitch, particularly subs wise. But what could they do with the players we had on the bench today? Utd haven't had a decent CDM since McCall and he was well past it then and that was 20 years ago.

I have been banging on about it throughout the Nigel years. Even Wilder never bothered to address it. Its part of successful modern football but little old united think they know better and can do without one...

The only other mistake they are making is that I think they need to try Lopata in the CB role.

Is that the same Lopata that's been on loan at Non League Southend ?
Why do our fans think the answer is always from our Academy.
The only Academy player that's looked remotely good enough this season is Ndiaye and he's been hit and miss.

 

[petcharlie]

The training pitch was blamed for the high number of soft tissue injuries the interviewer specifically asked him about.
It wasn’t connected with any comment on the defeat.

He stated that the defeat was due to playing badly in every department: defence, attack, ball-retention etc.

I agree mate . He seems to be saying the state of the training pitch is having a effect on the fitness of the players , Unable to train on the pitch for long periods and then expecting them to be 100% up for it on match days is asking a lot for a Championship club resulting in injuries which we seem to have had a hell of a lot of, This has been a problem for a long long time which has been wanting attention for some time ,Remember Wilder being upset about the lack of investment and maintenance at the training ground, If the state of the pitch at Shirecliffe is adding to our injury list the Prince wants sh----g having spent big bucks abroad on other clubs training facilities . Injuries equals dropped points. Get your wallet out mate and put it right.

 

[SWB]

I agree that this coaching team seem very slow to notice and react to things on the pitch, particularly subs wise. But what could they do with the players we had on the bench today? Utd haven't had a decent CDM since McCall and he was well past it then and that was 20 years ago.

I have been banging on about it throughout the Nigel years. Even Wilder never bothered to address it. Its part of successful modern football but little old united think they know better and can do without one...

The only other mistake they are making is that I think they need to try Lopata in the CB role.

I agree limited choices on the bench but tactically what about pulling players back and blocking players openly running through our half of the pitch at pace?? (ie before they took the lead & giving us several scares )Even if we have players performing outside of their true roles at least they're blocking, crowding them out AND NOT LETTING THE OPPOSITION RUN RIOT. Might seem a negative tactic & always simple in retrospect but it was just too easy for them.

 

[SWB]

Is that the same Lopata that's been on loan at Non League Southend ?
Why do our fans think the answer is always from our Academy.
The only Academy player that's looked remotely good enough this season is Ndiaye and he's been hit and miss.

yeah desperate causes & all that. No other choice really

 

[Charlieblade]

To be fair, it’s the first time he’s had a go at the club since he took over. It must be frustrating him badly to have such a lean squad to pick from. Especially if Hecky and his coaches see the team struggling on heavy training pitches every day. It’s bound to lead to some of the less serious soft tissue injuries he referred to, and it’s been a hot topic since we won promotion to the PL under Wilder. Despite generating funds, it’s still not been rectified. Hecky is not daft, nor is he given to soft excuses. This problem is clearly a worry for him right now, with a busy match programme and a rapidly thinning squad to choose from. Cut him a bit of slack please.

 

[Charlieblade]

^Not having a go at you Robbie.

 

[Snowflake]

Hahahahahah gets battered 4-1 away from home


Blames the training pitch


Did he tell our players to play like they were wading through a swamp because they played like they did


Jog on

No, he didn’t blame the training pitch for the way that we played. He was referring to the number of soft tissue injuries that the players are getting.

 

[FallowfieldBlade]

No, he didn’t blame the training pitch for the way that we played. He was referring to the number of soft tissue injuries that the players are getting.

He’s just been battered 4-1 conceded the most shots by any team in the league and he wants to talk about the training pitch been flooded

We did alright to get 9th in the premier league with this training pitch

I also don’t see him mentioning the medical staff who have misdiagnosed multiple injuries

 

[Snowflake]

He’s just been battered 4-1 conceded the most shots by any team in the league and he wants to talk about the training pitch been flooded

We did alright to get 9th in the premier league with this training pitch

I also don’t see him mentioning the medical staff who have misdiagnosed multiple injuries

Listen again. He was critical of the performance and the defending but did not blame the training pitch for that.
When asked about injuries he referred to the training pitch .
It may have been ok two years ago but CW said it was not up to standard last season and clearly is getting worse.

 

[Tony Currie]

To be fair, it’s the first time he’s had a go at the club since he took over. It must be frustrating him badly to have such a lean squad to pick from. Especially if Hecky and his coaches see the team struggling on heavy training pitches every day. It’s bound to lead to some of the less serious soft tissue injuries he referred to, and it’s been a hot topic since we won promotion to the PL under Wilder. Despite generating funds, it’s still not been rectified. Hecky is not daft, nor is he given to soft excuses. This problem is clearly a worry for him right now, with a busy match programme and a rapidly thinning squad to choose from. Cut him a bit of slack please.

Agreed, seems to me a simple solution to this. Train on the Bramall lane pitch only 6 home games left and the pitch is still immaculate.

 

[adamawdhali]

Training ground isn’t just an issue in regards to injuries but also attracting players. How can we convince players to join us ahead of other premier league clubs (if we get promoted) and even some championship clubs. We used to have wilder as a pull (not saying anything bad about heckingbottom but he hasn’t built up the same reputation as wilder did just yet), we could promise premier league football (even if we get promoted the relegation season will still be in players minds) and obviously second season/ January of the first it was much easier to pull players because of the success. Now, it is much more difficult to do that and the training facilities just reinforce this point. Even getting youth players. It’s been a credit to the youth recruitment team that they’ve managed to get so many talented young players to choose us (such as Sydie peck). I’m not saying we need a Leicester or Bristol city training ground but one which isn’t barely league one standard would be a big improvement. It’s only so far selling the idea of playing infront of 30k fans will take you, especially when we can’t compete with some teams in regards to wages

 

[bartman]

I agree mate . He seems to be saying the state of the training pitch is having a effect on the fitness of the players , Unable to train on the pitch for long periods and then expecting them to be 100% up for it on match days is asking a lot for a Championship club resulting in injuries which we seem to have had a hell of a lot of, This has been a problem for a long long time which has been wanting attention for some time ,Remember Wilder being upset about the lack of investment and maintenance at the training ground, If the state of the pitch at Shirecliffe is adding to our injury list the Prince wants sh----g having spent big bucks abroad on other clubs training facilities . Injuries equals dropped points. Get your wallet out mate and put it right.

How much has the Prince on other clubs' training facilities? Any links or accounts showing the details ?

 

[robbiez666]

Training ground isn’t just an issue in regards to injuries but also attracting players. How can we convince players to join us ahead of other premier league clubs (if we get promoted) and even some championship clubs. We used to have wilder as a pull (not saying anything bad about heckingbottom but he hasn’t built up the same reputation as wilder did just yet), we could promise premier league football (even if we get promoted the relegation season will still be in players minds) and obviously second season/ January of the first it was much easier to pull players because of the success. Now, it is much more difficult to do that and the training facilities just reinforce this point. Even getting youth players. It’s been a credit to the youth recruitment team that they’ve managed to get so many talented young players to choose us (such as Sydie peck). I’m not saying we need a Leicester or Bristol city training ground but one which isn’t barely league one standard would be a big improvement. It’s only so far selling the idea of playing infront of 30k fans will take you, especially when we can’t compete with some teams in regards to wages

If our plan is to attract the best young players, develop them and put them in the side/sell them then we need one of the best youth and training facilities in this league. Otherwise, plan will not work.

 

[ChipButtyBlade]

Do Blackpool still have a bog for a pitch ? better get ready for one or two more injuries then during the game.

 

[Tezza1889]

Hahahahahah gets battered 4-1 away from home


Blames the training pitch


Did he tell our players to play like they were wading through a swamp because they played like they did


Jog on

Finally outing yourself..

Bout time

 

[Ridgeway Blade]

How much has the Prince on other clubs' training facilities? Any links or accounts showing the details ?

There are rumours on spending £7 million on the faclities in Belgium. I had also heard of big changes to the groundstaff at Shirecliffe with people being either replaced or choosing to leave. The Prince has had this problem for a couple of years now and instead of having a Premier League legacy we have none, whether it be in terms of players (after all our squad will need almost a complete re-vamp in the next couple of transfer windows) or facilties at Shirecliffe. We seem to have taken loans out against our parachute payments and still have no money. With the Russian issue and the promise of a Government Regulator for football rearing its head I wonder if the question of Saudi owners may also come into question or at least face some sanctions before too long. Where is a nice British owner willing to buy the Prince out. Of course there is always Mr McCabe to ride to the rescue!

 

[CPB]

Talking of the training pitches and training facilities.

The Prince needs to address it of course.
If we take what the board/Prince are saying on face value it would sound like they are looking to build a much bigger and better facility away from Shirecliffe.
Problem is that's something that is years away and our current setup needs improving on as a stop gap.
At the very least we could do with improving the pitches up at Shirecliffe and maybe get that plan for the additional building back on up there too.
We could even look at something more temporary using shipping containers etc.

 

[bartman]

There are rumours on spending £7 million on the faclities in Belgium. I had also heard of big changes to the groundstaff at Shirecliffe with people being either replaced or choosing to leave. The Prince has had this problem for a couple of years now and instead of having a Premier League legacy we have none, whether it be in terms of players (after all our squad will need almost a complete re-vamp in the next couple of transfer windows) or facilties at Shirecliffe. We seem to have taken loans out against our parachute payments and still have no money. With the Russian issue and the promise of a Government Regulator for football rearing its head I wonder if the question of Saudi owners may also come into question or at least face some sanctions before too long. Where is a nice British owner willing to buy the Prince out. Of course there is always Mr McCabe to ride to the rescue!

So it is a rumour about the training facilties then .
Many clubs take out loans against future income so nothing unusual there.
The board decided to give Wilder the money to Wilder rather that improve the training facilties. Short sighted ? Yes but could you imagine the outcry if money was spent on facilties instead if players.
The Prince has never said he had money. My comcern is how he hasnt managed to get backers to help him.

 

[Sean Thornton]

Agreed, seems to me a simple solution to this. Train on the Bramall lane pitch only 6 home games left and the pitch is still immaculate.

Apparently it’s a bit of a mess according to Carlton Blade , who says financial cuts mean it’s not being properly maintained. But then he doesn’t like Saudis......

 

[Carlton Blade]

Apparently it’s a bit of a mess according to Carlton Blade , who says financial cuts mean it’s not being properly maintained. But then he doesn’t like Saudis......

My views all come with the disclaimer that I'm more than happy to be proven wrong. Facts are facts, whether they suit a narrative or not

 

[Sean Thornton]

My views all come with the disclaimer that I'm more than happy to be proven wrong. Facts are facts, whether they suit a narrative or not

I have no idea if that particular claim, the pitch, not the Saudi bit, is true or not. I have no information either way so can’t say it’s correct or disagree It looks okay to me tbh.

Is it possible that the lack of maintenance is actually about Shirecliffe pitches?

 

[Carlton Blade]

I have no idea if that particular claim, the pitch, not the Saudi bit, is true or not. I have no information either way so can’t say it’s correct or disagree It looks okay to me tbh.

Is it possible that the lack of maintenance is actually about Shirecliffe pitches?

Very well could be. I'm not massively ITK or anything

 

[Charlieblade]

Training ground isn’t just an issue in regards to injuries but also attracting players. How can we convince players to join us ahead of other premier league clubs (if we get promoted) and even some championship clubs. We used to have wilder as a pull (not saying anything bad about heckingbottom but he hasn’t built up the same reputation as wilder did just yet), we could promise premier league football (even if we get promoted the relegation season will still be in players minds) and obviously second season/ January of the first it was much easier to pull players because of the success. Now, it is much more difficult to do that and the training facilities just reinforce this point. Even getting youth players. It’s been a credit to the youth recruitment team that they’ve managed to get so many talented young players to choose us (such as Sydie peck). I’m not saying we need a Leicester or Bristol city training ground but one which isn’t barely league one standard would be a big improvement. It’s only so far selling the idea of playing infront of 30k fans will take you, especially when we can’t compete with some teams in regards to wages

Not to worry, I’m sure the Chelsea academy will have plenty of bargains to offload this summer …….

 

[knowsnowt]

Hahahahahah gets battered 4-1 away from home


Blames the training pitch


Did he tell our players to play like they were wading through a swamp because they played like they did


Jog on

I was going to call you a cunt, but a cunt has some use.
You strike me as someone who works late shifts in a petrol station and is looking to live a little by trying to wind people up. But it's not happening.

 

[FallowfieldBlade]

I was going to call you a cunt, but a cunt has some use.
You strike me as someone who works late shifts in a petrol station and is looking to live a little by trying to wind people up. But it's not happening.

Its a spar knowsnowt

 

[FallowfieldBlade]

Finally outing yourself..

Bout time

Outing myself as what ?

Someone who spends thousands a season on going to the matches who doesn't want to hear BS excuses after we have just given the worst performances we have seen in years

 

[petcharlie]

How much has the Prince on other clubs' training facilities? Any links or accounts showing the details ?

Well i have no links without trawling back for hours upon hours trying to find the links but it was well reported that he made money available for improvements to the training facilities of some club abroad that he owns. In fact some on here commented on it when the promised investment to improve Shirecliffe never materialised . Sorry but I dont have the time or the inclination to spend time searching for it just take my word for it or look for it yourself if you have the time .

 

[ShropsBlade]

He’s just been battered 4-1 conceded the most shots by any team in the league and he wants to talk about the training pitch been flooded

We did alright to get 9th in the premier league with this training pitch

I also don’t see him mentioning the medical staff who have misdiagnosed multiple injuries

We got no injuries that season and Sheffield didn’t see monsoon like rainfall like this winter. Which the shirecliffe pitches clearly can’t handle.

 

[Bladesman]