Terrible decision by the ref

[djbaldken]

Alternatively you could take a chance and go on a few dates with different people until you find a new partner who will help you blossom and reach your full potential.

Try taking your own advice.
You are showing little sign of blossoming into anything with any potential.
Constant Wilder out posts are just one dimensional.
Try diversifying and suggesting possible alternatives with reasons why they could be better.
At least Fallowfield could manage this (badly).
Something for you to aim for there.

 

[Torrix1889]

Any suggestion as to whether we are appealing this ludicrous decision?

 

[Yellarbellyblade]

Any suggestion as to whether we are appealing this ludicrous decision?

Not wanting to sound defeatist but when did we ever get one overturned?

 

[Torrix1889]

Not wanting to sound defeatist but when did we ever get one overturned?

To be fair, you couldn't really argue against the other reds this season but Seriki's was a shocking decision.

 

[CPB]

Not wanting to sound defeatist but when did we ever get one overturned?

Only one we got overturned was Wilder when he kicked the ball vs Southampton at home.

 

[Grey Blade]

To be fair, you couldn't really argue against the other reds this season but Seriki's was a shocking decision.

Everyone makes an error of judgement sometime in their lives but it seems referees can't (for some reason) admit a mistake and move on. I know they think it undermines their authority and the powers that be stand behind them, but the game would be a lot better if there was some honesty - and that includes players and managers

 

[Torrix1889]

Everyone makes an error of judgement sometime in their lives but it seems referees can't (for some reason) admit a mistake and move on. I know they think it undermines their authority and the powers that be stand behind them, but the game would be a lot better if there was some honesty - and that includes players and managers

Completely agree but it will never happen!

The game is corrupt no matter how much those in power argue otherwise.

Spurs will NOT be relegated from the Prem, the dodgy decisions in their favour have already started, (see Forest v Fulham)
Frank Lampards Coventry City will get the favour of any 50/50 decision
Wrexham likewise will be given every helping hand to cement their play-off place
Manchester City's charges will continue to be swept under the carpet.

I also wouldn't be surprised, due to their constant fucking bleating that the Pigs punishment in L1 is not as harsh as it should be.

 

[Yellarbellyblade]

To be fair, you couldn't really argue against the other reds this season but Seriki's was a shocking decision.

Agreed but the authorities tend to defend the referee in these instances so unless it’s mistaken identity I’m not sure how many for any team get overturned. It was the wrong decision but they will always say it was a judgement call if Bindon was able to cover or not. Same with Cooper in the Millwall one.

 

[dn5 shaun]

Is this one

Wilder will love that he can just blame the ref and hope nobody has noticed we were getting out played before the sending off.

Is this one of those urban myths in a different thread

 

[LBA_Blade]

To be fair, you couldn't really argue against the other reds this season but Seriki's was a shocking decision.

I have attached a report from a QPR vs Leeds match in 2023 where (ironically Bamford is challenged about diving), to summarise the report.

In order for a claim of Wrongful Dismissal to be successful the Player and/or his Club must establish by the evidence it submits that the Referee made a clear and obvious error in dismissing the Player. The burden rests on the Player and/or his Club to prove this.

For Denying an Obvious Goal-Scoring Opportunity red cards they are looking at the below, firstly is there actual contact, as in this particular case they overturned it as Bamford dived under no contact but if that hadn't have been the case they would have considered the below

The following must be considered:
• Distance between the offence and the goal
• General direction of the play
• Likelihood of keeping or gaining control of the ball
• Location and number of defenders

For me if you look at the above,

Distance between the offence and the goal - Approx 20-25 yards
General direction of the play- Play is going towards goal
Likelihood of keeping or gaining control of the ball - If Seriki doesn't dive in, it's too hard to call what is going to happen from there, the ball wasn't travelling at speed so you would have had either a 1 on 1 with the keeper or Bidon would have closed the gap.
Location and number of defenders - Keeper in his box, Bindon, within 5 yards - out of the other players close we have 3 additional tracking back vs their 1 other in attack.

For me its a it was a yellow card.

 

[CPB]

Dunno, think Tanganga's was a booking not a red.
And Seriki's isn't given Bindon looks like he's gonna cover him.

Still think Phillips' was also a bit of an unfortunate event. But in fairness to the ref looks like he's followed through.

 

[Ned the Donkey]

The following must be considered:
• Distance between the offence and the goal
• General direction of the play
• Likelihood of keeping or gaining control of the ball
• Location and number of defenders

At the risk of poking a hornets nest I didn't think the red card was that bad a decision.

Seriki mistimed his tackle and scythed down (ok that might be a bit emotive) their player.

Bindon wasn't racing back full tilt to cover as it seemed like Seriki was going to get the ball. At best Bindon was level with the incident and more likely slightly behind it.

It's not clear at all that the ball was going to travel through to Davies.

With that in mind their player could well have ended up in a very difficult, close 1 v 1 but still maybe a goalscoring opportunity.

The ref went over and consulted the linesman. My guess was he was checking on Bindon's position and I feared the worse for Seriki. The red card wasn't that much of a surprise.

If all this had happened at The Lane to an away team I'd've wanted the opposition defender sent off, but at the same time I would think us lucky if that actually happened.

A bit more about the ref, there were two other occasions when he took his time making decisions: one was the penalty, and another was a corner for them. Both times he/they got those right.

Whatever the rights and wrongs I can't see there's anywhere near enough to get it overturned as a clear and obvious error.

 

[Bladesman]

Dunno, think Tanganga's was a booking not a red.
And Seriki's isn't given Bindon looks like he's gonna cover him.

Still think Phillips' was also a bit of an unfortunate event. But in fairness to the ref looks like he's followed through.

Yeah and there have been enough incidents where the opposition player has followed through on our player over the last few weeks and not seen red for it.

Kenny McClean on Seriki the other night being an example. McCallum out injured party off the back of the challenge on him at Charlton. Seems like everyone can go steaming into our players Rothwellesque and barely see a yellow card.

Having seen the dodgy red cards around the EFL at the weekend then I think its corruption rather than incompetence at this point.

 

[LBA_Blade]

At the risk of poking a hornets nest I didn't think the red card was that bad a decision.

Seriki mistimed his tackle and scythed down (ok that might be a bit emotive) their player.

Bindon wasn't racing back full tilt to cover as it seemed like Seriki was going to get the ball. At best Bindon was level with the incident and more likely slightly behind it.

It's not clear at all that the ball was going to travel through to Davies.

With that in mind their player could well have ended up in a very difficult, close 1 v 1 but still maybe a goalscoring opportunity.

The ref went over and consulted the linesman. My guess was he was checking on Bindon's position and I feared the worse for Seriki. The red card wasn't that much of a surprise.

If all this had happened at The Lane to an away team I'd've wanted the opposition defender sent off, but at the same time I would think us lucky if that actually happened.

A bit more about the ref, there were two other occasions when he took his time making decisions: one was the penalty, and another was a corner for them. Both times he/they got those right.

Whatever the rights and wrongs I can't see there's anywhere near enough to get it overturned as a clear and obvious error.

Not at all, totally entitled to your opinion on it, personally the matter like all of the other Laws of the game are written so vague and grey that as a "common fan" it's difficult to understand exactly why and what the referee has given. As realistically how obvious is an Obvious Goal-Scoring Opportunity, I can understand an empty net and you nudge the attacker over but from 20 yards, with 3 defenders (Seriki, Bindon and Davies in net) how obvious is it that he is going to score or have an opportunity? There is also the Brum attacker on the right hand channel that he could have been looking for to square the ball too. This screenshot for me shows the attacking Brum player is going to have to do something to keep hold of the ball if Seriki didn't dive in, the most likely option with him being on the left hand attacking channel is a pass into the right channel similar to Bash arriving. especially as we have 2 others backtracking. Not the worst decision we have been on the end of by a long way but defiantly one that brings debate. The referee realistically should be closer to the incident to make that call himself he was just as far away as the assistant and, the nearside assistant should have been inline with Bindon which means he wouldn't have been able to see it because of the near side Brum attacker and Bindon being in the way of the view point.

 

[Balham]

Not at all, totally entitled to your opinion on it, personally the matter like all of the other Laws of the game are written so vague and grey that as a "common fan" it's difficult to understand exactly why and what the referee has given. As realistically how obvious is an Obvious Goal-Scoring Opportunity, I can understand an empty net and you nudge the attacker over but from 20 yards, with 3 defenders (Seriki, Bindon and Davies in net) how obvious is it that he is going to score or have an opportunity? There is also the Brum attacker on the right hand channel that he could have been looking for to square the ball too. This screenshot for me shows the attacking Brum player is going to have to do something to keep hold of the ball if Seriki didn't dive in, the most likely option with him being on the left hand attacking channel is a pass into the right channel similar to Bash arriving. especially as we have 2 others backtracking. Not the worst decision we have been on the end of by a long way but defiantly one that brings debate. The referee realistically should be closer to the incident to make that call himself he was just as far away as the assistant and, the nearside assistant should have been inline with Bindon which means he wouldn't have been able to see it because of the near side Brum attacker and Bindon being in the way of the view point.

Looking at that image, why are Tanganga and Burrows so far out of position? Our defensive line is an absolute mess. I've only seen it on the YT extended highlights which cut in at the point that the Birmingham midfielder plays the pass into Osman; presumably we tossed away possession cheaply in the middle of the park and got caught out by a simple ball forwards?

 

[crucialkneeligaman]

At the risk of poking a hornets nest I didn't think the red card was that bad a decision.

Seriki mistimed his tackle and scythed down (ok that might be a bit emotive) their player.

Bindon wasn't racing back full tilt to cover as it seemed like Seriki was going to get the ball. At best Bindon was level with the incident and more likely slightly behind it.

It's not clear at all that the ball was going to travel through to Davies.

With that in mind their player could well have ended up in a very difficult, close 1 v 1 but still maybe a goalscoring opportunity.

The ref went over and consulted the linesman. My guess was he was checking on Bindon's position and I feared the worse for Seriki. The red card wasn't that much of a surprise.

If all this had happened at The Lane to an away team I'd've wanted the opposition defender sent off, but at the same time I would think us lucky if that actually happened.

A bit more about the ref, there were two other occasions when he took his time making decisions: one was the penalty, and another was a corner for them. Both times he/they got those right.

Whatever the rights and wrongs I can't see there's anywhere near enough to get it overturned as a clear and obvious error.

why did they need to consult over the penalty ?

 

[Grey Blade]

why did they need to consult over the penalty ?

I was at the match. I was at the other end of the pitch and nobody seemed to know why the pen had been given - although at HT someone nearby said they had seen JLT pick the ball up.

Watching the TV coverage and seeing the ref go to the linesman, I wonder if the ref was confirming that the keeper hadn't collected the ball outside the area. Who knows!!

 

[Ned the Donkey]

why did they need to consult over the penalty ?

Because (almost) no-one had any idea what was going on (especially Jack Robinson).

Context here



The ref's heading upfield to get on with the game, like everyone else. He's off screen when the incident actually happens so maybe he had his back turned and had to consult with the linesman. I'd imagine the conversation went something like, "Did the thick twat really handle the ball? Honestly?? Fuck me. In all my days. Yes lads it's a penalty."

The United players were right on it. The crowd around me sort of knew it was a penalty from everyone's body language, Burrows had the ball under his arm in the classic waiting-to-take-a-penalty pose. We just didn't know why. I only found out watching the highlights that night.

The United players weren't even arguing their case that strongly because it was so obvious to them what had happened.