Team for today

[Boxer Blade]

Apart from Duffy, the line up is of no surprise at all, and it surprises me that anyone is questioning it.

The league is the only priority we should be looking at.

Ramsdale for Moore.............. this is the only chance for Ramsdale to play first team football

Lavery for Sharp.......... Most people agree Lavery needs some game time and after Sharps penalty miss, a rest was required.

Scougal for Duffy............ i am confused

Brown for EEL............. for what its worth i would have played young Semple with O'Connell one side of him and Basham on the other. Brown has been a disaster.

Hussey for Lafferty................. for me it's like for like and Hussey needed game time.

Oh, and i think Clarke on a three year deal is looking like CWs worst decision of the Summer. Although if we go up who gives a shit.

Larkey, I was guessing before the game he would rest Duffy because of his recent injury, hamstring? cannot remember but an injury where a rest wiuld be a good idea for possibly our best player.

 

[albinonick]

You know my thoughts on Ramsdale Albi.

He is a top player and a top lad. I just feel he needs to play more games for his own development. Not sure what you think?

Is he getting enough experience from being around the first team every day and on the bench or would he benefit from playing week in week out down a league or two to learn his trade?
That said, i do agree that he is more than capable of playing L1 even at his young age... Since the signing of Moore it is clear he will have to bide his time, hence maybe play every week on loan.

Larky he has to PLAY and the gaffer wont play him in case he gets injured. If he has to go on loan from january to get game time then so be it! But CW has said he aint goin! Think me n u are on the same page with the lad

 

[Alfreton14Blade]

Thought that was a decent use of resources by Christopher today - using the opportunity to give Ramsdale game time, chancing Hussey again, trying other options up front, & giving Scougs another opportunity in the no.10 role.

And Rammers looks seriously good (despite the error leading to their second) going by that. Hussey didn't do himself any harm, I thought. Scougs was bright & lively.

Lavery and Clarke a bit of a concern though. Not showing up at the moment.

 

[snootyfenooty]

Clarke will never fit in at the Lane. I could have told you this before he ever kicked a ball as this type of striker never has and never will. In recent years think Sammon, Henderson, Akinbyi, Asaba. Then go all the way back to Guthrie.

 

[albinonick]

Thought that was a decent use of resources by Christopher today - using the opportunity to give Ramsdale game time, chancing Hussey again, trying other options up front, & giving Scougs another opportunity in the no.10 role.

And Rammers looks seriously good (despite the error leading to their second) going by that. Hussey didn't do himself any harm, I thought. Scougs was bright & lively.

Lavery and Clarke a bit of a concern though. Not showing up at the moment.

Yes it was an error but the 5 defenders who could have stopped the pass to Amiobi are blameless!!

 

[BigBed]

Just an idea but with the situation Chesterfield are in, I'd bring Evans back and offer Clarke on loan for the remainder of the season to see if he does actually have anything to offer. This way, he plays football, so may attract attention, he doesn't fuck our forward line up anymore and he's an option if anything happens??
Personally, id rather have Mcnulty back than play Clarke anymore, he's had his chance now for me.

 

[larkymasher]

Larky he has to PLAY and the gaffer wont play him in case he gets injured. If he has to go on loan from january to get game time then so be it! But CW has said he aint goin! Think me n u are on the same page with the lad

We are very much on the same page....

My only thinking on this is that CW feels at 18 years old he is better off with day to day coaching and around the first team with all that brings at the moment..... Its a strange position with a lot of responsibility.

I wonder how Ramsdale feels himself though..... Its a difficult position he finds himself in. A victim of being so good at a young age.

Do you think SUFC are waiting to cash in on him in a year or so to one of the Premiership clubs?

 

[itsinyerblood]

We have no alternative than to trust Wilder's judgement on the team selected. I know there are disagreements about the idea of playing a strongest team, but there have also been voices clamouring for younger players to be given their chance, so this game seemed to be a good chance to see how certain players responded to the challenge. Wilder is presented with various issues, the single most important being how to get the players who've done well so far back on track and returning to winning ways in the league. Interesting times for Wilder and the players, let's see how much resolve there is amongst those who are hungry enough to weather this storm. No doubt Wilder will keep an eye on those who allow standards to drop, and with the JTW soon to open, if I were a player not giving my all I'd fear for my place, and possibly whether I had a future at the Blades.

 

[larkymasher]

We have no alternative than to trust Wilder's judgement on the team selected. I know there are disagreements about the idea of playing a strongest team, but there have also been voices clamouring for younger players to be given their chance, so this game seemed to be a good chance to see how certain players responded to the challenge. Wilder is presented with various issues, the single most important being how to get the players who've done well so far back on track and returning to winning ways in the league. Interesting times for Wilder and the players, let's see how much resolve there is amongst those who are hungry enough to weather this storm. No doubt Wilder will keep an eye on those who allow standards to drop, and with the JTW soon to open, if I were a player not giving my all I'd fear for my place, and possibly whether I had a future at the Blades.

I agree with everything you say its, but CW and Knill telling everyone there are opportunities for youth is rubbish.

There is not a clamoring for youth, just an expectation given what the management have told us....... and please don't highlight the Grimsby match, that was a total waste of time in front of 500 spectators against Grimsby reserves. We couldn't manage a proper youth prospect in any of the competitive Checkatrade shite games prior to that. ( Brookes apart )

Even Brookes has gone awol for some reason

 

[itsinyerblood]

I agree with everything you say its, but CW and Knill telling everyone there are opportunities for youth is rubbish.

There is not a clamoring for youth, just an expectation given what the management have told us....... and please don't highlight the Grimsby match, that was a total waste of time in front of 500 spectators against Grimsby reserves. We couldn't manage a proper youth prospect in any of the competitive Checkatrade shite games prior to that. ( Brookes apart )

Even Brookes has gone awol for some reason[/QUOTE

Mmmm......it's an interesting one and possibly open to interpretation. Forgive me if I've misunderstood, but your post seems to suggest that there are facts which I'm unaware of. The number of posts I've read would suggest that there are many posters who clamour for young players to be given a chance in the first team, whether you and I read the same posts might be the reason why you dismiss my point.

It could be, in the midst of all the issues that Wilder has to contend with, that his priority is to push us through to promotion, and the only way he'll achieve this is by selecting from the same group of experienced players he has at his disposal. I don't think Wilder or Knill strike me as people who would bend the truth just to make a statement that satisfies some supporters. Whatever comments Wilder or Knill have made about young players, I'd love to read those comments in context, that way I'd be better informed rather than learning that Wilder is meant to have said one thing when actually, reading in context, the message offers a different emphasis to the simplified edit we read about on here.

I agree it's a difficult path that the young players are expected to take, but everything at this club is surely designed to support the success of the first team. If that means that we see experienced senior players take to the pitch for each league game then that's what we should expect to see. I would also imagine that if a young player was that outstanding then Wilder would seriously juggle with the idea of playing him to see if he could adjust to the very different demands of first team football as opposed to the less rigorous demands of reserve football. That may not offer a great deal of hope for young players, but it seems to me that this is how most clubs function. All clubs have youth teams in the hope that they discover a jewel, in the meantime they purchase players who can offer immediate competency in their given position. Whatever anyone thinks about this situation, I can't see it changing radically, can you?

 

[albinonick]

We are very much on the same page....

My only thinking on this is that CW feels at 18 years old he is better off with day to day coaching and around the first team with all that brings at the moment..... Its a strange position with a lot of responsibility.

I wonder how Ramsdale feels himself though..... Its a difficult position he finds himself in. A victim of being so good at a young age.

Do you think SUFC are waiting to cash in on him in a year or so to one of the Premiership clubs?

I think he loves what is happening at the moment.First team on the bench, England u19's but not happy he isnt playing u23's. I know his dad wants him to play cus he'd played around 20 games this time last year this season only a hand full. And is falling behind the other england goalies who are playing week in week out. As to moving only time will tell but his dad says aaron is well happy in sheffield.

 

[Silent Blade]

You know my thoughts on Ramsdale Albi.

He is a top player and a top lad. I just feel he needs to play more games for his own development. Not sure what you think?

Is he getting enough experience from being around the first team every day and on the bench or would he benefit from playing week in week out down a league or two to learn his trade?
That said, i do agree that he is more than capable of playing L1 even at his young age... Since the signing of Moore it is clear he will have to bide his time, hence maybe play every week on loan.

Are you Ramsdale's dad or agent?

 

[albinonick]

Are you Ramsdale's dad or agent?

Neither as ive said before watched the lad at the academy and i know the family, talk to his dad over a beer after games. Wish i was his agent id get in for free to watch the games.

 

[Silent Blade]

Neither as ive said before watched the lad at the academy and i know the family, talk to his dad over a beer after games. Wish i was his agent id get in for free to watch the games.

My question wasnt directed at you

 

[albinonick]

My question wasnt directed at you

Oh thats quite alright my mistake

 

[finlaytheblade]

Rated Ramsdale since he arrived at the club and the only way we will keep him is by pushing him through quickly,we tide him down to a Contract last season before premier club s stepped in and pinched him,that will still happen if he's happy playing in under 23 s football and earning more than we can pay him.He is best served staying with us and being loaned to a club possibleby 2nd division .That will be decided by his agent and family ,we can't really stop him if he goes for the money ,contracts are meaningless money talks.hopefully his handlers don't go for the money.

 

[albinonick]

Rated Ramsdale since he arrived at the club and the only way we will keep him is by pushing him through quickly,we tide him down to a Contract last season before premier club s stepped in and pinched him,that will still happen if he's happy playing in under 23 s football and earning more than we can pay him.He is best served staying with us and being loaned to a club possibleby 2nd division .That will be decided by his agent and family ,we can't really stop him if he goes for the money ,contracts are meaningless money talks.hopefully his handlers don't go for the money.

At the rate hes goin with cw he wont play u23's as he is needed on the bench. If george long leaves then his only games will be england.

 

[larkymasher]

Are you Ramsdale's dad or agent?

I have watched him come through the 18s and am no more than a fan.

As you know Silent I watch the youth team and I rate him. It also interests me to see how they bring him through from youth to first team.

There are a couple of Posters who clearly know more about the lad than I do.......
May I suggest you look else where

 

[Silent Blade]

May I suggest you look else where

Yes, the first team

 

[larkymasher]

Yes, the first team

Yes, the first team

Good idea, then you don't need to worry yourself about Ramsdale.

 

[Silent Blade]

Good idea, then you don't need to worry yourself about Ramsdale.

I am keeping my mind open on whether Ramsdale will be a good keeper but Chris Wilder/Alan Knill are the best people to judge on this not me or you. At the moment Simon Moore is our 1st team keeper on merit. Ramsdale could take his place next week or in 2018 or whatever and he has to wait for his chance.

I used to watch Academy and reserves matches 10/12 years ago and posted match reports in BU. In the last few years I have been keeping an eye on the Academy group of players born between 1/9/97 and 31/8/98 because a few of them have played against my son and now I believe the whole lot have been released by the club (Jorome Slew and Danny Ramsey were the last two- Ramsdale signed for us when he was 16 after being released by Bolton). Don't know if any of them were taken by other clubs a few years ago under the EPPP ruling. You can see why I am not enthusiastic about us having an Academy

 

[larkymasher]

I am keeping my mind open on whether Ramsdale will be a good keeper but Chris Wilder/Alan Knill are the best people to judge on this not me or you. At the moment Simon Moore is our 1st team keeper on merit. Ramsdale could take his place next week or in 2018 or whatever and he has to wait for his chance.

I used to watch Academy and reserves matches 10/12 years ago and posted match reports in BU. In the last few years I have been keeping an eye on the Academy group of players born between 1/9/97 and 31/8/98 because a few of them have played against my son and now I believe the whole lot have been released by the club (Jorome Slew and Danny Ramsey were the last two- Ramsdale signed for us when he was 16 after being released by Bolton). Don't know if any of them were taken by other clubs a few years ago under the EPPP ruling. You can see why I am not enthusiastic about us having an Academy

Not sure why you are not enthusiastic about the academy based on the above age group not producing a player.
I watched that age group as they moved through the age groups and they were poor. Slew and Ramsey should never have got a scholarship as was proved with the contributions of the last couple of years.
The academy have produced a good return of players who have been sold for a profit.
That said, I would not be so stupid as to try and shoehorn kids in if they are not good enough.
I agree that it is only the manager that can decide if young players are good enough.

 

[Silent Blade]

Not sure why you are not enthusiastic about the academy based on the above age group not producing a player.

Reed came to us after Man U released him. Whiteman came to us from Chesterfield? DCL has gone. Anyone else?

 

[Silent Blade]

I watched that age group as they moved through the age groups and they were poor. Slew and Ramsey should never have got a scholarship as was proved with the contributions of the last couple of years..

Did we release anyone else better than Slew and Ramsey? One of the "scouts" for that group was someone who I knew and he wasnt into football until his son's team was in danger of folding so he offered to coach the team. A few years ago for some reason he impressed Mark Grayson who asked him to recommend players for that age group. If most of that team were from his recommendations then I am not surprised they didnt impress you

I thought Ian Ross stood out in the Academy matches and I predicted a bright future from him but in the years after he got bypassed by Forte, Sharp, Law and Hurst

 

[larkymasher]

Reed came to us after Man U released him. Whiteman came to us from Chesterfield? DCL has gone. Anyone else?

FFS what point are you trying to make?
Of course players will join the academy at all ages, as they do with every other academy around the country. They don't all arrive as 9 year olds.
Reed was 14, Whiteman was 16, DCL was 9, Ramsdale was 16, Walker was 9, Maguire was 12, Jagelka was 14, Naughton was 9,

So what is your point?

 

[Silent Blade]

FFS what point are you trying to make?
Of course players will join the academy at all ages, as they do with every other academy around the country. They don't all arrive as 9 year olds.
Reed was 14, Whiteman was 16, DCL was 9, Ramsdale was 16, Walker was 9, Maguire was 12, Jagelka was 14, Naughton was 9,

So what is your point?

Only DCL, Naughton and Walker are the real success of our Academy. You can add Maguire to that too. Jagielka never played in any of our Academy matches. We have produced more first teamers from the previous youth system between 1986 to 2001 than from the Academy between 2001 to now

 

[larkymasher]

Did we release anyone else better than Slew and Ramsey? One of the "scouts" for that group was someone who I knew and he wasnt into football until his son's team was in danger of folding so he offered to coach the team. A few years ago for some reason he impressed Mark Grayson who asked him to recommend players for that age group. If most of that team were from his recommendations then I am not surprised they didnt impress you

I thought Ian Ross stood out in the Academy matches and I predicted a bright future from him but in the years after he got bypassed by Forte, Sharp, Law and Hurst

Let's start again Silent.... I think I know exactly who you are talking about. I 100% agree with you and that age group was run shockingly ......
The people charged in getting players in were a total joke and couldn't pick their fucking nose never mind a good player

I understand where you are coming from and apologise for my tone.

There were good players over looked for average lads. It seemed very strange on so many levels

Not surprising that said scout folded his team. He didn't have a clue pal.

 

[larkymasher]

Only DCL, Naughton and Walker are the real success of our Academy. You can add Maguire to that too. Jagielka never played in any of our Academy matches. We have produced more first teamers from the previous youth system between 1986 to 2001 than from the Academy between 2001 to now

The facts you give are correct but we must realise the influx of foreign players over the last decade. When once it was only home nation players to compete against these lads now compete with the world

 

[Silent Blade]

The facts you give are correct but we must realise the influx of foreign players over the last decade. When once it was only home nation players to compete against these lads now compete with the world

Wendy's Academy hasnt really produced many first teamers too

 

[BushBlade]

Wendy's Academy hasnt really produced many first teamers too

Must be a Sheffield thing then. One day we'll find something we're good at apart from making steel and moaning.