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JPBrodie said:
Berge is under contract until June 2024. If anyone wants him, they'll have to pay a significant amount if we aren't completely and utterly dying for any cash at all. A lot of negativity about his future around these threads. People seem to think we're going to have to sell him for peanuts. We'll either get a good fat wedge for him or he might even fancy a Championship tour. End of the day he's only young talent not a bona-fide Euro superstar. Plenty of time for him to get to the very top level.
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Berge probably has a release clause based on either getting relegated or someone offering a particular price so I doubt the length of contract matters.
 

I much admire the knowledge and ingenuity displayed on here by you posters. I dont know enough about the on-loaners and youngsters to offer an opinion on them.
I think Berge may go as said by others but I am not to fussed by that as I did not see him as the answer to any of the failings we have discussed on here.
Some of the fees quoted are not too far adrift despite Pompey's rant, £12million - £20 million doesn't get much these days. Hope Basham stays, and Brewster.
Mc B .Mousset, Billy and Mcgoldrick will move on. Will have to get some strike power up front, that was obvious from Week 1 of the season.
I still think we are in for a hard slog next year, no such thing as a free ride these days.
 
pommpey said:
Shitty death.

Some of these valuations are fucking ridiculous.

Firstly, these players will be coming from a Championship side freshly and ignominiously relegated from the Premier League having been fucking bounced most weeks. They have proved nothing but been part of that beatable team, and let's face it, no-one has been at outstanding levels this season. And furthermore, for our players to be transferred, there has to be a 'hole' they can be put into. How do you put any one of our players into a 'hole' which looks like improvement? Put it this way. Would you bid for any of our players?

Berge. Over £20m? How the fuck does that work? He's been injured since December, with what we are still led to believe is a hamstring which normally would take six to eight weeks at the most to be back running on at ten tops to be coming back as sub. He's nowhere near being back and has had extensive treatment, has he not? And, in his short spell at Bramall Lane, he's not exactly blown anyone away has he? So here's a spoon of reality. If we get £15m for him we'll have done well. Given our form, we'll be accepting £10m in instalments and add ons which will possibly never materialise as he'll be warming the bench or ship another injury at the next club which will keep his appearances down.

Egan. People quoting way above his real value. He's £8m at most, given he has also had time out and has been one of several defenders simply waltzed past with aplomb this season on the way to defeat. Although he is a strength in our back five, there still needs to be a 'requirement' for him to go. I can't see anywhere he'd fit in effectively and furthermore if an offer came in, can you see us resisting both his agent's ambitions and our own propensity to cave in early preventing us getting anything but beans for him?

Mousset. Fucking hell, people. I know he scored a whopping six goals last season, but try to see the difference between 'actual footballing value' and 'because he plays for United', eh? He has done NOWT this season but drift on late and fanny about never looking like scoring. That is, when he's not injured or facing the courts for his misdemeanours. Do you think other teams will look at him and think he'll suddenly come good? Do you think other teams will smile and think 'what the fuck were Sheffield United doing signing this shit benchwarmer from Eddie Howe's lot after they'd lost patience with him'? Ten million? If we release him mutually we'll have gained because we won't have to pay his fucking wages any more. He's shit. And everyone knows it.

Stevens. Three million? What? He's another who has peaked and gone south and next season will still struggle against teams who know how to go round and through him. He's past his best.

Ramsdale. People saying twenty million. Eh? For a good twenty matches this season he has been a fucking liability. It's strange how all the fuck ups of the past are quickly forgotten simply because he is now 'doing his job' and stopping shots. So we buy him for eighteen off a relegated team and he's relegated again (with some watching-through-fingers howlers) and we expect to profit from this? Again, as a Championship outfit? Get real, eh?

Others. Some have said we'd be able to sell Norwood and Fleck for tidy sums, despite them being part of the most abject midfield in the Premier League for a long time. George Baldock is mentioned at £10-12m. How? What has he done this season to warrant that price tag?

Finally, the two strikers, McBurnie and Brewster. These cost us well over thirty million, This season they have given us one goal between us for forty two appearances between them. If you believe they are worth any more than one tenth of that value then you are seriously deluded. An opposition manager won't look at their case in hand with regard value when as a job, they have to put the ball in the back of the net, and can't. They won't be next season's top scorers given they can't hit a cow's arse this season.

Please. Be realistic. Look at their real worth. Then you won't e quite so outraged when they get flogged for fuck all.

pommpey
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I think somebody said Salah was shit and sold him to Liverpool.
 
I'd definitely like McNair and Wallace.

I'm struggling to see the comparisons with Norwich sales when they went down. They sold players that have the best years ahead of them. Egan and Baldock are both 28/29, so aren't going to command the same sort of fees. They both signed contracts this season and may have release fees in their favour, along with higher wages which we'd like to move on. In addition, every football club has lost significant sums of money over this last year. There may be a reality check with regards to transfers fees, at least for this summer.
 
pommpey said:
Shitty death.

Some of these valuations are fucking ridiculous.

Firstly, these players will be coming from a Championship side freshly and ignominiously relegated from the Premier League having been fucking bounced most weeks. They have proved nothing but been part of that beatable team, and let's face it, no-one has been at outstanding levels this season. And furthermore, for our players to be transferred, there has to be a 'hole' they can be put into. How do you put any one of our players into a 'hole' which looks like improvement? Put it this way. Would you bid for any of our players?

Berge. Over £20m? How the fuck does that work? He's been injured since December, with what we are still led to believe is a hamstring which normally would take six to eight weeks at the most to be back running on at ten tops to be coming back as sub. He's nowhere near being back and has had extensive treatment, has he not? And, in his short spell at Bramall Lane, he's not exactly blown anyone away has he? So here's a spoon of reality. If we get £15m for him we'll have done well. Given our form, we'll be accepting £10m in instalments and add ons which will possibly never materialise as he'll be warming the bench or ship another injury at the next club which will keep his appearances down.

Egan. People quoting way above his real value. He's £8m at most, given he has also had time out and has been one of several defenders simply waltzed past with aplomb this season on the way to defeat. Although he is a strength in our back five, there still needs to be a 'requirement' for him to go. I can't see anywhere he'd fit in effectively and furthermore if an offer came in, can you see us resisting both his agent's ambitions and our own propensity to cave in early preventing us getting anything but beans for him?

Mousset. Fucking hell, people. I know he scored a whopping six goals last season, but try to see the difference between 'actual footballing value' and 'because he plays for United', eh? He has done NOWT this season but drift on late and fanny about never looking like scoring. That is, when he's not injured or facing the courts for his misdemeanours. Do you think other teams will look at him and think he'll suddenly come good? Do you think other teams will smile and think 'what the fuck were Sheffield United doing signing this shit benchwarmer from Eddie Howe's lot after they'd lost patience with him'? Ten million? If we release him mutually we'll have gained because we won't have to pay his fucking wages any more. He's shit. And everyone knows it.

Stevens. Three million? What? He's another who has peaked and gone south and next season will still struggle against teams who know how to go round and through him. He's past his best.

Ramsdale. People saying twenty million. Eh? For a good twenty matches this season he has been a fucking liability. It's strange how all the fuck ups of the past are quickly forgotten simply because he is now 'doing his job' and stopping shots. So we buy him for eighteen off a relegated team and he's relegated again (with some watching-through-fingers howlers) and we expect to profit from this? Again, as a Championship outfit? Get real, eh?

Others. Some have said we'd be able to sell Norwood and Fleck for tidy sums, despite them being part of the most abject midfield in the Premier League for a long time. George Baldock is mentioned at £10-12m. How? What has he done this season to warrant that price tag?

Finally, the two strikers, McBurnie and Brewster. These cost us well over thirty million, This season they have given us one goal between us for forty two appearances between them. If you believe they are worth any more than one tenth of that value then you are seriously deluded. An opposition manager won't look at their case in hand with regard value when as a job, they have to put the ball in the back of the net, and can't. They won't be next season's top scorers given they can't hit a cow's arse this season.

Please. Be realistic. Look at their real worth. Then you won't e quite so outraged when they get flogged for fuck all.

pommpey
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Has there ever been a more aggressive, self absorbed poster on here?
 
Berge will have a relegation release clause with a set amount that needs to be met for him to leave... it will probably equal to what we stumped up.

I don’t think anyone will be looking at any of our players other than him.

potentially:

Egan £10-12 mil easily
Baldock - £4-£6 mil
Bogle - could be subject of a surprise bid £10mil

That for me is your lot
 
TomHeffernan said:
Has there ever been a more aggressive, self absorbed poster on here?
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Than you?

Note: I am speaking about Sheffield United and ridiculous transfer fee beliefs

Tom (bless his cotton socks) is talking about 'me'.

There's posters on here who talk about United and then there's ones like him who talk about posters (possibly because they have zero to offer on the subject)

pommpey
 
pommpey I see you completely bypassed this comment!

Upton_Blade said:
You constantly criticise posters who come on your "My Take" threads and disagree with you as they are your views. Well guess what you do exactly the same to other posters threads!
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Imagine my shock!
 
pommpey said:
I tend to classify it as 'realistic'. But let's revisit, eh?



Okay, by bad. Let's do this - Berge = £250m. Ramsdale = £300m. Lundstram = £1bn

That do you?



Thanks for (as ever) turning a discussion about Sheffield United and the team into a discussion about 'me'. What the fuck is it about you lot, eh?

For your information, 'on screen' I am metered by the requirements of the provider. I doubt the Sheff Utd Way people would appreciate me punctuating every sentence with expletives or aligning Mousset's woeful performance to the slow dropping of an oversized, peanutty turd from the shuddering arse of an grunting elderly man into a large bowl of flour.

However accurate it is.

As for 'keyboard warrior', have you just actually ranged a veiled insult at me from ... wait for it ... behind the protective screen of the internet?



Oh, I can't wait ...



Norwich City 2019-20 = 38 games -49 goals

Sheffield United 2020-21 = 33 games -38 goals

You're eleven goals in five games away from eating your words there.



At last. Something we agree on. So you still reckon our superstars are worth massive fees, huh?

pommpey (the keyboard warrior)
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Actually it would be 19 goals in 5 games, they conceded 75, we have currently conceded 56
 
blades78 said:
I'd definitely like McNair and Wallace.

I'm struggling to see the comparisons with Norwich sales when they went down. They sold players that have the best years ahead of them. Egan and Baldock are both 28/29, so aren't going to command the same sort of fees. They both signed contracts this season and may have release fees in their favour, along with higher wages which we'd like to move on. In addition, every football club has lost significant sums of money over this last year. There may be a reality check with regards to transfers fees, at least for this summer.
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I'm really not quite sure how you can't see the comparisons in the context of this thread but here goes.

I've not said we should be getting the same fees but some of the figures quoted on this thread are stupidly low.

Egan vs Godfrey

2018-2019: Godfrey played 26 league games for a team that won the league whilst Egan was pivotal in the heart of a defence that gained promotion after signing from Brentford.

2019-2020: Godfrey was at the heart of a defensive unit that was quite frankly laughable all season whilst Egan was at the heart of a defensive unit that had one of the best ever for promoted side.

2020-2021: Godfrey had been sold to Everton for £25m in the summer and played some role in their season whilst Egan was one of the only players at our place to come out of the season with any sort of respect.

Summary: Whilst Godfrey has age on his side he had a decent season followed by a shocker and was worth £25m. Egan had 2 decent seasons followed by a somewhat respectable one. If Godfrey is worth £25m after a stinker then how is Egan worth some of the derisory figures quoted on this thread?

Baldock vs Aarons

Almost identical to above. Aarons played a key role in their promotion, was part of a god awful defence for their relegation and has had another good year in The Champ.

Baldock was excellent in our promotion and like the rest of the defence pretty damn good in our first season in The Prem. He has then had, like Egan, a respectable season this year.

Summary: If Aarons is worth £30m, taking into account age, then HTH is Baldock not worth at least a third of that?
 
Upton_Blade said:
pommpey I see you completely bypassed this comment!

You constantly criticise posters who come on your "My Take" threads and disagree with you as they are your views. Well guess what you do exactly the same to other posters threads!

Imagine my shock!
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Not really, because it is rather silly and irrelevant. I criticise posters who come on 'My Take ... ' and do like you are doing, shifting the conversation to a personalised attack. You are one of many who specialise in it, because any argument you wish to counter against my opinion is a bit piss weak. You want to disguise debate around what you feel about me. So it's 'play the player'. I'm not likely to sit idle and take it either, as you know.

In this thread I am discussing Sheffield United and the players, and posters bizarre (IMHO) assessments of their transfer value. I've backed this up with 'why I think this', also. Note: I am criticising objectively, not subjectively. You however are doing the opposite.

And you're still doing it.

Here's a bone - if you feel the players are worth more than my assessment, why do you think that? What objective evidence in their performances this season would convince me that Berge is worth more than we paid for him? What about other players, like Baldock and Egan?

EDIT> Just seen your reasoning above, and I disagree. Comparative valuations in the transfer market sound a bit FIFA21 to me.

pommpey
 
pommpey said:
You want to disguise debate around what you feel about me. So it's 'play the player'. I'm not likely to sit idle and take it either, as you know.
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Don't flatter yourself sunshine. I feel absolutely nothing towards you apart from pity that you seem to have taken Pinchy's banning as an excuse to stop wanking over his posts and try his replicate his level of trolling.

pommpey said:
I am criticising objectively, not subjectively. You however are doing the opposite.
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If you think any of your posts regarding our players or performances are objective then there's really no help for you.

pommpey said:
Just seen your reasoning above, and I disagree. Comparative valuations in the transfer market sound a bit FIFA21 to me.
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Are you really that thick? Comparative valuations are pretty much how the transfer market works!

Prime example - How much do you think Tarkowski, Dunk etc were worth before Harry M transferred to Man U for £80m? I can tell you it's a lot less than after that transfer as clubs start thinking "hang on a minute if Harry M is worth £80m then surely James T isn't worth less than half that figure?"

EVERY major, and probably semi-major, transfer fee has a knock on effect on other similar transfers in the near future.
 
Upton_Blade said:
Don't flatter yourself sunshine. I feel absolutely nothing towards you apart from pity that you seem to have taken Pinchy's banning as an excuse to stop wanking over his posts and try his replicate his level of trolling.
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I won't flatter myself love. It does seem to me however you are holding on a little tight at trying to get one over on me though, doesn't it? Maybe you do have feelings for me?

And what the tapdancing fuck I have to do with Pinchy is clearly in your own odd mind. I didn't even know he'd been banned. You, however seem to have an .xls spreadsheet to track everyone's movements and associations. You know how I mentioned some on here make it large about personalising the issues? There's a name for that, too, you know. You used it above.

Upton_Blade said:
If you think any of your posts regarding our players or performances are objective then there's really no help for you..
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However your responses toward me are hardly something you could pin a healthy mind certificate on, are they?

Upton_Blade said:
Are you really that thick? Comparative valuations are pretty much how the transfer market works!
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So it's nothing to do with performances, playing statistics, scouting assessments and tactical decision making as to where the target player fits in and their overall value in that position? Just 'how much another player is assessed to be worth by some blowhard troll on S24SU'? I'm sure most of our players welcome your expertise in this field, if only to give them fair valuation of their worth. Lundstram, for example.

Upton_Blade said:
Prime example - How much do you think Tarkowski, Dunk etc were worth before Harry M transferred to Man U for £80m? I can tell you it's a lot less than after that transfer as clubs start thinking "hang on a minute if Harry M is worth £80m then surely James T isn't worth less than half that figure?"
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And 'that's how it works', readers.

Upton_Blade said:
EVERY major, and probably semi-major, transfer fee has a knock on effect on other similar transfers in the near future.
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And what about relegation, league position and injuries?

Tell me something. Had Sheffield United managed a fucking miracle this season and avoided relegation by the skin of their teeth with Egan playing all games and being instrumental in twelve clean sheets in the last fifteen, scoring three goals and us winning ten of those games, do you think his marketable value would be more, or less than him going down in a fast sinking ship and being transferred from what is now a Championship side scrabbling round for cash after a pretty barren season and us losing a hell of a lot of games, even with him in the side?

I don't expect you to answer this honestly. Just keep the ad hominem coming. It's what you're good at.

pommpey
 

Upton_Blade said:
I'm really not quite sure how you can't see the comparisons in the context of this thread but here goes.

I've not said we should be getting the same fees but some of the figures quoted on this thread are stupidly low.

Egan vs Godfrey

2018-2019: Godfrey played 26 league games for a team that won the league whilst Egan was pivotal in the heart of a defence that gained promotion after signing from Brentford.

2019-2020: Godfrey was at the heart of a defensive unit that was quite frankly laughable all season whilst Egan was at the heart of a defensive unit that had one of the best ever for promoted side.

2020-2021: Godfrey had been sold to Everton for £25m in the summer and played some role in their season whilst Egan was one of the only players at our place to come out of the season with any sort of respect.

Summary: Whilst Godfrey has age on his side he had a decent season followed by a shocker and was worth £25m. Egan had 2 decent seasons followed by a somewhat respectable one. If Godfrey is worth £25m after a stinker then how is Egan worth some of the derisory figures quoted on this thread?

Baldock vs Aarons

Almost identical to above. Aarons played a key role in their promotion, was part of a god awful defence for their relegation and has had another good year in The Champ.

Baldock was excellent in our promotion and like the rest of the defence pretty damn good in our first season in The Prem. He has then had, like Egan, a respectable season this year.

Summary: If Aarons is worth £30m, taking into account age, then HTH is Baldock not worth at least a third of that?
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I don't really get tour comparisons.

Godfrey and Lewis are young talented British footballers who will have signed 5 year contracts and be at their peak at the end of it. If they develop as expected, their value won't decrease.

Egan is a solid top Championship defender who is 28 and has had one excellent season in the top flight playing in a specific formation. There's no evidence he's good enough in a back 4. Who has shown, despite being in his prime, he struggles with the high ball and pace. In 5 years time he will have retired as has no resale value. I can see very linited suitors (Burnley, promoted team) and a year where everyone has lost a lot of money with COVID. £10 million is an unlikely high bar, for me.
 
TomHeffernan said:
No, you were talking about posters
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And what are you, then? Shop Steward for the National Union of S24SU Posters?

I note that still, there's nowt about 'the subject matter', just DCI Heffernan playing internet policeman, warning folk about their conduct.

Tom - clicks fingers this way, please. I'll speak slowly ...

Do-you-think-that-the-transfer-valuations-of-players-suggested-in-this-thread-is-realistic?

Try to concentrate now. 'pommpey' is not the subject. Not 'pommpey'. Players and their transfer values. How much? Eh?

As soon as you mention me in your response, you'll look silly. If we disagree about transfer values, that's okay, but I'd like to know why.

Ta, love.

pommpey
 
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Jan Age said:
Berge will have a relegation release clause with a set amount that needs to be met for him to leave... it will probably equal to what we stumped up.

I don’t think anyone will be looking at any of our players other than him.

potentially:

Egan £10-12 mil easily
Baldock - £4-£6 mil
Bogle - could be subject of a surprise bid £10mil

That for me is your lot
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pommpey has pretty much nailed it with his first post. The valuation of £3m for Moose in the OP has made me laugh out loud. We will be paying him to go 😂. Stevens valuation was funny, but not ridiculous, I’d argue there is some value there - £1m maybe to another Championship club (possibly

Think your valuations are pretty sound there to be honest. But I doubt Berge has a release fee equal to or above what we paid. Given we’ve gone down and he’s been injured we probably also haven’t paid any further instalment. I’d think a £10m rising to £15m would be about the best we could do.

Bogle - the valuation could be correct but it’d be a January bid based on performances. To reach that he’d have to excel in the Championship.

Norwood and Fleck could potentially be a similar value as Stevens, topping out at £1m after add ons.

What we don’t know, is how much each player is on. Because they’re unlikely to leave for less money so the buying team would need to match or come close to their current wage. In that case our fee could be reduced further.
 
pommpey said:
And what are you, then? Shop Steward for the National Union of S24SU Posters?

I note that still, there's nowt about 'the subject matter', just DCI Heffernan playing internet policeman, warning folk about their conduct.

Tom - clicks fingers this way, please. I'll speak slowly ...

Do-you-think-that-the-transfer-valuations-of-players-suggested-in-this-thread-is-realistic?

Try to concentrate now. 'pommpey' is not the subject. Not 'pommpey'. Players and their transfer values. How much? Eh?

As soon as you mention me in your response, you'll look silly. If we disagree, that's okay, but I'd like to know why.

Ta, love.

pommpey
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I think you've lowballed and most others are on the high side. The truth will fall somewhere in the middle but probably more towards the bottom end than those quoting £30m and £40m for any of this seasons failures.

I understand the points you make and if eyes were the only thing used to make transfer decisions then I think you would probably be right. The thing is that some statistician somewhere will be sat with a load of information saying that these players have the ability to be decent players in the right team. Aerial duels, expected xG against, save difficulty, defensive duels blah blah blah might all say that some of our players individually have done ok this season (and will certainly say that they did the previous season). A lot of teams now look for clues in these numbers instead of just watching someone and saying "he's shit".

I'm not saying it's right, but it's within the realms of possibility that some of our players may be construed to have had a good season in their own right, despite the incessant shit show that has been the team performance.
 
Lot of pent up aggression in here... Thing is no one knows. PA seems a fairly shrewd operator, and can't imagine he's keen to sell on the cheap. I may be proven to be wrong, but for any release clauses on a player you are expecting to sell to be less than what you paid doesn't make any business sense.

I'm torn on the likes of Egan and Baldock, but I really struggle to see the logic of those suggesting 10-15m for Berge.

A young international, with bags of potential, possible huge resale value, played in Champions League, played in the Premier League, shown glimpses of ability to dominate games in a shit team.

Paid 20m for him, which was probably the going rate, not particularly expensive in this market, and whilst he hasn't set the world alight (very poor fit for our team / system) he hasn't been a flop either.

Maybe the top end suggestions of 40m may be a bit ambitious - but absolutely no chance he goes for 10m. That buys you literally nothing in this market... Obviously these are selected examples to make a point. Of course there are examples of better players going for cheaper, but higher prices generally dictate the 'going rate'.

Matty Cash 16m
Ben Godfrey 25m
Mcburnie 20m
Brewster 23m
Karlan Grant 16m
Eze 20m
Joelinton 40m
Konsa 12m
Billing 15m
Lloyd Kelly (yeah, me too) 13m
Webster 20m
Callum Robinson 9m
Dan James 15m
Mousset 10m
Haller 45m

Transfer fees are no barometer of ability or worth, only what someone will agree to pay.
 
Rob86 said:
pommpey has pretty much nailed it with his first post. The valuation of £3m for Moose in the OP has made me laugh out loud. We will be paying him to go 😂. Stevens valuation was funny, but not ridiculous, I’d argue there is some value there - £1m maybe to another Championship club (possibly

Think your valuations are pretty sound there to be honest. But I doubt Berge has a release fee equal to or above what we paid. Given we’ve gone down and he’s been injured we probably also haven’t paid any further instalment. I’d think a £10m rising to £15m would be about the best we could do.

Bogle - the valuation could be correct but it’d be a January bid based on performances. To reach that he’d have to excel in the Championship.

Norwood and Fleck could potentially be a similar value as Stevens, topping out at £1m after add ons.

What we don’t know, is how much each player is on. Because they’re unlikely to leave for less money so the buying team would need to match or come close to their current wage. In that case our fee could be reduced further.
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Pretty sad when you look at it isn’t it - shows how much of a shit show this season has been.

We’ve actually boxed ourselves in to corner where it would actually make some sense to keep hold of players in the hopes we have a good season, values increase and we can recoup some of what we paid.

re Berge: I meant we would recoup what we had already paid and not the top figure quoted.
 
I just laughed at 3m for Stevens. He's done, aged 30 and declined hugely this past season. At his best he was quality but his thinking and movement have slowed dramatically this season. If he goes it's on a free to a league 1 team.
 
pommpey said:
And what are you, then? Shop Steward for the National Union of S24SU Posters?

I note that still, there's nowt about 'the subject matter', just DCI Heffernan playing internet policeman, warning folk about their conduct.

Tom - clicks fingers this way, please. I'll speak slowly ...

Do-you-think-that-the-transfer-valuations-of-players-suggested-in-this-thread-is-realistic?

Try to concentrate now. 'pommpey' is not the subject. Not 'pommpey'. Players and their transfer values. How much? Eh?

As soon as you mention me in your response, you'll look silly. If we disagree about transfer values, that's okay, but I'd like to know why.

Ta, love.

pommpey
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I don’t disagree with you to be honest. I disagree with how you go about it.

You’re beyond opinionated, you’re quite aggressive with your views and I’m quite within my rights to point that out.

I can discuss things on here no problem, with nice folk and I know that it would just be my opinion. You are forceful and quite rude. Just saying.
 
TomHeffernan said:
I don’t disagree with you to be honest. I disagree with how you go about it.

You’re beyond opinionated, you’re quite aggressive with your views and I’m quite within my rights to point that out.

I can discuss things on here no problem, with nice folk and I know that it would just be my opinion. You are forceful and quite rude. Just saying.
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So it is about 'me' and not about 'the content, then?

Glad we cleared that up.

pommpey
 

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