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bypassblade said:
You ought to get out more sod all homophobic in that post, a knob jockey is a prick you must be a snowflake
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A knob jockey isn’t a prick......do a google search.....it’s offensive slang for a male homosexual.
Might not seem a big deal as it’s meant in jest (on one level can understand the snowflake comment)
but the use of certain words in the English language can have a drip drip effect detrimental to certain persecuted groups.
It kind of proves the point because in your mind it seems male homosexuals are pricks.
 
Sheffsteel said:
A knob jockey isn’t a prick......do a google search
It’s offensive slang for a make homosexual.
Might not seem a big deal but the use of certain words in the English language can have a drip drip effect.
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I'm older mate and it has different connotations to me, I don't use Google to find out what a KJ means it's just what it means to me. I don't do homophobia how do you know I'm not gay, instead of making assumptions on someone you've never met.
 
Scooter_mcgavin said:
Fair enough, but im 99.999999999% sure that Knob Jockey has never just meant Prick.
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I accept that mate I'm just explaining my interpretation, lot's of things people say these days have different meanings to what I grew up with, I mean there's a saying "sick" which, I understand means good to me it means throwing up Pete.
 
bypassblade said:
I accept that mate I'm just explaining my interpretation, lot's of things people say these days have different meanings to what I grew up with, I mean there's a saying "sick" which, I understand means good to me it means throwing up Pete.
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I think before I post on some words scooter I'll ask me son he's up with all the modern sayings, not like his dinosaur dad.
 
bypassblade said:
I don't do homophobia how do you know I'm not gay, instead of making assumptions on someone you've never met.
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I’m not making any assumptions and certainly don’t mean to criticise you.

Think it’s interesting how “words” can have different meanings to different people
And also how that meaning can change over time or due to fashion have a different meaning.

I’m older as well and I’ve also heard knob jockey used as a general word for an idiot, so someone using it might not have homophobia intentions.
However the roots of changing “knob jockey” to being an idiot ARE homophobic.

It’s a really interesting example of how casual “words” or “phrases” can have so much subtle power.
I know non racist people who accidentally use words or thought processes detrimental to black people.
Are these people racist? In their mind they are not but they use words to create that continuous drip effect.
 
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Sheffsteel I'm not falling out with you over a different meaning of words, if owt today has educated me you're never too old to learn new words and meaning Pete. I will just have to be more careful in my wording as things have changed to my day so I'm sorry if any offence caused where there was none meant.
 
I know I’ve said it before but intent need to be considered before getting up on a moral high horse when phrases which have entered general lexicon are used but have a dark history.
I don’t believe for a moment that Bypass had any intention of using a homophobic slur, and that phrase has been used as a general insult, ignoring its origins, for many years.
Like calling something which is a it naff “gay” there are lots of these phrases which will now naturally die out, and rightly so. They were wrong then and are wrong now, but let’s save our venom for those that deliberately use them in their original sense rather than to berate or belittle someone who just misspoke.
 
Flatulent_Bob said:
I know I’ve said it before but intent need to be considered before getting up on a moral high horse when phrases which have entered general lexicon are used but have a dark history.
I don’t believe for a moment that Bypass had any intention of using a homophobic slur, and that phrase has been used as a general insult, ignoring its origins, for many years.
Like calling something which is a it naff “gay” there are lots of these phrases which will now naturally die out, and rightly so. They were wrong then and are wrong now, but let’s save our venom for those that deliberately use them in their original sense rather than to berate or belittle someone who just misspoke.
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Good post......when seeing someone in person you can usually judge intent....or genuine misunderstanding.
However on a forum it’s so difficult to communicate difficult subjects as no one knows your intent so they might make assumptions.

I remember discussing the Ched Evans case and playing devils advocate said some fairly supportive stuff about Ched in response to posters treating like Jack the Ripper. However on some forums I received odd bits of abuse with some posters thinking I was a women hater and encouraging rape.
After a while I rarely discussed the subject as there were too many strands that were virtually impossible to convey via a forum.
 
Sheffsteel said:
I’m not making any assumptions and certainly don’t mean to criticise you.

Think it’s interesting how “words” can have different meanings to different people
And also how that meaning can change over time or due to fashion have a different meaning.

I’m older as well and I’ve also heard knob jockey used as a general word for an idiot, so someone using it might not have homophobia intentions.
However the roots of changing “knob jockey” to being an idiot ARE homophobic.

It’s a really interesting example of how casual “words” or “phrases” can have so much subtle power.
I know non racist people who accidentally use words or thought processes detrimental to black people.
Are these people racist? In their mind they are not but they use words to create that continuous drip effect.
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It’s people that want to give words that much power that are part of the problem.
 



Thank you Flatulent_Bob & Sheffsteel I am becoming more aware of wording as we move forward but as you say I meant no offence, so cheers roll on Saturday.
 
bypassblade said:
You ought to get out more sod all homophobic in that post, a knob jockey is a prick you must be a snowflake
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I don’t think you’re homophobic, but as people have said these words need challenging to make sure the detrimental meaning is stamped out, no room for racism, sexism, homophobia. If these arent challenged then they continue...so that was my polite challenge to you...it’s certainly caused debate.
 
JayGreen17 said:
I don’t think you’re homophobic, but as people have said these words need challenging to make sure the detrimental meaning is stamped out, no room for racism, sexism, homophobia. If these arent challenged then they continue...so that was my polite challenge to you...it’s certainly caused debate.
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Yes it has but I'm too old and knackered to bother these days let's just say crossed wires between 2 twenty somethings lol Pete
 
Scooter_mcgavin said:


Apologised to sharp today.
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Believe me ....... getting an apology from Adrian Durham is harder than beating Man City away 5 0 ..... takes a big man to say sorry. What he says about Arsenal on a daily basis is liable ........ what he said once about Jamie Carragher was one of the best bits of radio ever so for him to do this #hatsoff - pity Billy didn't ring up
 
ChrisDysonHT said:
Believe me ....... getting an apology from Adrian Durham is harder than beating Man City away 5 0 ..... takes a big man to say sorry. What he says about Arsenal on a daily basis is liable ........ what he said once about Jamie Carragher was one of the best bits of radio ever so for him to do this #hatsoff - pity Billy didn't ring up
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I was actually listening when carragher called in lol.
 
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