Sydie Peck

[S17 Blade 1889]

I'm no sports scientist but an old mate who was a pro at a big club around 25 years ago, where.there was a big drinking culture, eventually brought in penalties for players caught drinking with certain injuries for this very reason.

There is a really good interview with Gary Neville about how the drinking culture at Man Utd stopped when the French players started to arrive at Arsenal. The difference in fitness and recovery was crazy. Athletes who want to reach the top really should manage their bodies unless the Championship is enough for him?

And thats not even discussing how fucking stupid drink driving is and the lives it can destroy .

 

[PTBlade]

Gerrim sold .
Dick 'ed

 

[Maidenhead]

I remember years ago reading a post from someone on here who'd seen Harry Maguire in a club in Sheffield, celebrating a friend's birthday. He was with us in League One at the time, and would have been 18/19/20, and the poster who saw him said it was quite funny to watch him in the club, because while all his friends were raucously enjoying themselves, obviously quite drunk, Harry was standing at the side with an orange juice, not drinking anything alcoholic. I've since seen Harry say that he never drinks alcohol during the season or whilst in training, and only occasionally and moderately out of season.

The Harry Maguire who went on to play for England... and score for England... in a World Cup... and captain Manchester United.

Sydie and the rest of our players might want to bear this in mind, if they have aspirations of making it at the very top level, or even if their aspiration is simply to have the best career they can, while they can. Think on, lads.

If you want a really good example of a professional sports person, Kevin Sinfield's always been t total.

I doubt that there's a better role model on the planet

 

[Bellypork]

I'm no sports scientist but an old mate who was a pro at a big club around 25 years ago, where.there was a big drinking culture, eventually brought in penalties for players caught drinking with certain injuries for this very reason.

Yes, think Robson and McGrath for two examples.

 

[Davalon]

Yes, think Robson and McGrath for two examples.

The club I'm talking about is quite topical as a certain Mr Keegan took over and tried to address the drinking culture.

As well as testing injured players to see how much alcohol they had in their system, they also developed exercises first thing at training to see who was likely hungover. A former Geordie England international and former ROI international usually toppled over each day.

Quarter of a century later our club seems to have a few players still living in this era.

 

[KMC-1889]

Quarter of a century later our club seems to have a few players still living in this era.

When you have a manager who endorses the club captain going into an offy with £100 to buy a load of cans, or celebrates 3 pts by getting bladdered and singing on tables with fans, it doesn’t set a high standard of professionalism for developing players does it ?

 

[Davalon]

When you have a manager who endorses the club captain going into an offy with £100 to buy a load of cans, or celebrates 3 pts by getting bladdered and singing on tables with fans, it doesn’t set a high standard of professionalism for developing players does it ?

True.

Tbf I don't mind a good drink and celebration at appropriate times and when something meaningful has been achieved. It maybe sounds hypocritical but I enjoyed seeing the piss up after promotion in 2019.

I do think, however, there's enough now to question some of the professionalism of a few players at least. I'm not overly precious about players not touching a drop but without naming names (the ones in question could largely be guessed anyway) a few are regular drinkers and when we've had a few years of not just constant injuries, but question marks over several players being incapable of lasting anything like a full game, I'd like to think there's some serious work going on behind the scenes to address our fitness.

It's been clear for a while now, irrespective of results, that many opposition teams look fitter than us.

 

[Berkshire Blade]

If there's one time for a pro to drink it's at the end of the season regardless of how it's gone.

However there's no excuse not to book a taxi

 

[54yrblade]

True.

Tbf I don't mind a good drink and celebration at appropriate times and when something meaningful has been achieved. It maybe sounds hypocritical but I enjoyed seeing the piss up after promotion in 2019.

I do think, however, there's enough now to question some of the professionalism of a few players at least. I'm not overly precious about players not touching a drop but without naming names (the ones in question could largely be guessed anyway) a few are regular drinkers and when we've had a few years of not just constant injuries, but question marks over several players being incapable of lasting anything like a full game, I'd like to think there's some serious work going on behind the scenes to address our fitness.

It's been clear for a while now, irrespective of results, that many opposition teams look fitter than us.

'Culture' is an overused deflection and smokescreen. And Wilder must know it's been seen through by now.

 

[Nick Jansky]

The club I'm talking about is quite topical as a certain Mr Keegan took over and tried to address the drinking culture.

As well as testing injured players to see how much alcohol they had in their system, they also developed exercises first thing at training to see who was likely hungover. A former Geordie England international and former ROI international usually toppled over each day.

Quarter of a century later our club seems to have a few players still living in this era.

This was discussed at length in a recent thread. I mentioned that a friend of mine, a medical professor who is head of medical and performance at one of the world’s top clubs, states categorically that, especially with the game having morphed into one for elite athletes, anybody aspiring to reach the top shouldn’t be drinking ANY alcohol. Obviously, this was ridiculed by the well known expert GeorgeDonis1889.

But, culture innit. England don’t win World Cups.

 

[itsinyerblood]

This was discussed at length in a recent thread. I mentioned that a friend of mine, a medical professor who is head of medical and performance at one of the world’s top clubs, states categorically that, especially with the game having morphed into one for elite athletes, anybody aspiring to reach the top shouldn’t be drinking ANY alcohol. Obviously, this was ridiculed by the well known expert GeorgeDonis1889.

But, culture innit. England don’t win World Cups.

Interesting observation. Sacrifice, of the type needed to further a career, won't be a priority for young players with the level of disposable income available to them. It's a pity but human nature will out, only the exceptional young players who can see beyond the tip of their nose stand a chance of reaching elite heights.

 

[GeorgeDonis1889]

This was discussed at length in a recent thread. I mentioned that a friend of mine, a medical professor who is head of medical and performance at one of the world’s top clubs, states categorically that, especially with the game having morphed into one for elite athletes, anybody aspiring to reach the top shouldn’t be drinking ANY alcohol. Obviously, this was ridiculed by the well known expert GeorgeDonis1889.

But, culture innit. England don’t win World Cups.

For the record. I was ridiculing you for thinking you were passing on some brilliant insight. We all know alcohol is bad for athletes. Also ridiculing you for making out this guy knows the drinking culture at United.

Do you think that if more England fans were as intelligent as you and understood drinking isnt healthy we'd win the world cup? It's as logical as your view that if United fans were more ambitious like you we'd somehow be good I guess.

 

[Greasy Chap Butty]

Interesting observation. Sacrifice, of the type needed to further a career, won't be a priority for young players with the level of disposable income available to them. It's a pity but human nature will out, only the exceptional young players who can see beyond the tip of their nose stand a chance of reaching elite heights.

I think that's a little too simplistic and judgemental.
Lots of young players will have made great sacrifices to their lives growing up. I would imagine nearly none in professional football have had normal childhoods.
Beyond that, further sacrifice might push their progression somewhat, but how far? If our squad all lived perfect athlete lives, I doubt many would progress even to into Premier league regulars.
On the flip side , players in higher placed teams will have in many cases done less.
Its the same as outside football. Could you have progressed further in your career if you'd sacrificed more? I could have, but valued other aspects of life more.
We should afford other people the same courtesy.

 

[bertieblade]

Has anyone ever walked into a business meeting after a night on the ale? We do not feel mentally alert and soon realise that to succeed in your career you must limit drinking to the weekends and then only in small quantities. The nerd of a trainspotter who no doubt drinks very little may not have a personality to impose himself in meetings but makes the best of his ability to have a sharp mind.
The same applies when we play sport and we are not professional sportsmen.
Once in a while to celebrate and then make sure it is sweated out of the system at a time which gives the body time to recover before the next match.
It ain’t difficult to understand and whilst ever we have a culture which encourages booze and seemingly ignores recreational drugs we will be at a disadvantage.
It is a professional sport which has become more reliant on elite athletes, not those who run out of steam after 60 minutes and quite certain that is not all due to missing pre season training.

 

[itsinyerblood]

I think that's a little too simplistic and judgemental.
Lots of young players will have made great sacrifices to their lives growing up. I would imagine nearly none in professional football have had normal childhoods.
Beyond that, further sacrifice might push their progression somewhat, but how far? If our squad all lived perfect athlete lives, I doubt many would progress even to into Premier league regulars.
On the flip side , players in higher placed teams will have in many cases done less.
Its the same as outside football. Could you have progressed further in your career if you'd sacrificed more? I could have, but valued other aspects of life more.
We should afford other people the same courtesy.

You misunderstand, I understand why anyone would choose not to dedicate themselves to the extent where they prefer to embrace what life has to offer, even if it results in being less successful. Professional football is littered with genuinely talented individuals who failed, or more realistically chose not to lead monk-like lives.
Moments of superb skill were/are still created to delight supporters, but my own take is that many wonderful players would prefer to leave more rounded lives. Their choice and who can blame them. There's nothing judgemental in recognising
that some people decide that they prefer to deny the rarified life that might have lead to greater success, but to understand what could have been and not comment seems a tad churlish, even naive.

 

[AWetFlannel]

Probably worth mentioning that when we shot up to the top half of the PL, we visibly worked harder and ran further than most teams in LG1, the Champ and PL, despite the drinking culture.

 

[HOT CURRIE 10]

When you have a manager who endorses the club captain going into an offy with £100 to buy a load of cans, or celebrates 3 pts by getting bladdered and singing on tables with fans, it doesn’t set a high standard of professionalism for developing players does it ?

That I’m afraid is not a one off either, a regular occurrence in certain bars,recently in a local place,England playing,a certain person had to be poured into a waiting taxi as he could not stand up,a great role model. How can you reprimand someone when you are the cheerleader.

 

[Greasy Chap Butty]

You misunderstand

I did. My apologies. I agree.

 

[loveWalrusDaveTheBlade]

Probably worth mentioning that when we shot up to the top half of the PL, we visibly worked harder and ran further than most teams in LG1, the Champ and PL, despite the drinking culture.

Challenges the trope, doesn't it.
As so often on the internet, the dialogue on here is hugely polarised, eg " walking into a business meeting after a night on the ale". I had hundreds of business meetings after a couple of pints the night before, and was lucky enough to retire very comfortably in my mid-50's as a result of my contribution. Most of us are able to apply some common sense to drinking, and know what is sensible and when to stop. I believe the same to be true about most footballers.
Also, the idea that the majority of Championship players are elite athletes is laughable. Stick them in the running races in the Olympics and see how they get on.
I have no time for drink drivers - it's unacceptable under any circumstances because it is other people's life that's put at risk more than your own. Sydie was an idiot. But the sanctimonious shite on this and other threads about our drinking culture ( almost invariably with anonymised claims of having seen "somebody" out late at night, but never brave enough to name names) is more reflective of a desire to criticise the club and everything about it than it it is to the relevance to the collective performance of our club.
N'daiye used to struggle hopelessly to get past 70 mins with us in his breakthrough season. Out on the piss, presumably?

 

[Nick Jansky]

For the record. I was ridiculing you for thinking you were passing on some brilliant insight. We all know alcohol is bad for athletes. Also ridiculing you for making out this guy knows the drinking culture at United.

Do you think that if more England fans were as intelligent as you and understood drinking isnt healthy we'd win the world cup? It's as logical as your view that if United fans were more ambitious like you we'd somehow be good I guess.

Christ, you talk some shite! It goes without saying that any ridicule from you is absolutely worn as a badge of honour

Having said that, people who work in football tend to know a large amount about what goes on within different clubs. It is a very incestuous business.

 

[Old Programme seller]

I thought the idea of drinking within the club was to create a bond what can happen is that it goes too far I’m sure everyone has heard about players from 70’s and 80’s sweating off hangovers in training but from what I’ve read Peck (albeit stupid) was 1 and half times over the limit which is approximately half a pint over the limit.

 

[Zero dark thirty]

When you have a manager who endorses the club captain going into an offy with £100 to buy a load of cans, or celebrates 3 pts by getting bladdered and singing on tables with fans, it doesn’t set a high standard of professionalism for developing players does it ?

But he's 1 of your own.

 

[BrianTheBlade]

The club needs to hire Cycling Mikey.

Some people see him as a villan

He is a hero , how many lives has he saved by doing his good deeds ?

 

[Gin&Juice]

Someone needs to tell them they can get drunk on another clubs wage. Pisses me off that in this day and age, players still show this disrespect to the profession. Judging by the arse blowing shitshow we were accustomed to last 2 seasons, We lack modern footballers, athletes and a modern approach to training and fitness. Outdated bollocks. Saying that, Wilder looking trim in black in them training videos.

 

[GeorgeDonis1889]

But he's 1 of your own.

Sums it up that the pig is joining in with the usual suspects gleefully slating our manager.

Thanks for your support guys

 

[Dkc]

Top athletes don't drink, yet we wonder why our players are blowing out of their arses after an hour?

Many top athletes do drink. Just usually not to excess or when they are driving.

 

[Hanauer]

Who said he was drunk? Over the limit, yes, but even 2 pints can put you over.

 

[georgebernardshaw]

But he's 1 of your own.

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[KMC-1889]

Who said he was drunk? Over the limit, yes, but even 2 pints can put you over.

Well, the police and then the courts.

It’s not up to the individual to decide if they’re impaired, that’s what the law is for.

 

[FTPE]

When you have a manager who endorses the club captain going into an offy with £100 to buy a load of cans, or celebrates 3 pts by getting bladdered and singing on tables with fans, it doesn’t set a high standard of professionalism for developing players does it ?

None of those things break laws.
As an adult, that part is YOUR responsibility.
Blaming your football manager for being OPL whilst driving is crazy.