CONFIRMED Sydie Peck - Signs new contract

[Carlton Blade]

Doubt that, if he'd got a goal scoring record, then it might be different, basically he doesn't score. Another season to improve on that, then who knows.

Wharton had 4 career goals when he went to Palace. Alex Scott had 5 when he went to Bournemouth.

 

[Cheeky Blade]

Peck probably my PoY.

To step up and do what he’s done this season has been immense.

 

[loyalblade95]

Conversations regarding our young talent will be happening all of the time, and not just with Peck.

Its just something that happens with young talent, especially when clubs in higher divisions get involved.

Unfortunately, it's the 1 situation we will never be able to escape (even if we establish ourselves long term in the PL) as we will never be up there with the biggest clubs who can throw money around to poach these young players at will, especially with the current PSR rules restricting clubs who are more established in the PL than us.

What Cappy was told might well be true, but it doesn't mean Peck is definitely being sold, it just means there might be a chance it happens.

Arblaster was getting interest from Brighton last summer (and probably other clubs as well?), wasn't Faxon meant to have had interest from Man United last year?

Jebbison was getting linked with Everton and Bournemouth for ages before he left.

Newcastle wouldn't have been the first club to show interest in Osula.

We've also seen it this season with Oné.

End of the day, it all comes down to the club and the player.

I hope Peck doesn't want to leave (not sure how long his contract is) and I hope he sees that playing 1st team with us would be more beneficial to being on the fringes of a PL squad which might harm his progression.

 

[jt64]

If the likes of Brighton and Brentford have created a model that others look to follow we can't complain about following it .
Identifying and nurturing talent for huge profits which can be reinvested is what so many clubs would love to do.

They also wait for actual huge offers. Selling Peck now would be a return to the McCabe days

 

[Moan? Nope-I saw Longhorn]

He's done exceptionally well coming from nowhere this year, but I feel he still lacks assists and goals. I think another year at this level would be better for his development, but he of course needs a contract to reflect his significant impact this year.

Aye
Best hope we don’t go up then ?
(or flog him to Ipswich or Southampton, or Brum?!)

 

[Moan? Nope-I saw Longhorn]

https://www.sunderlandecho.com/sport/football/sunderland-afc/inside-tommy-watson-move-from-sunderland-brighton-5078964

Very different players, but……

 

[The Fox]

They also wait for actual huge offers. Selling Peck now would be a return to the McCabe days

Perhaps , don't suppose we'll know until it transpires or not.
I suppose huge offers only happen when the player has PL exposure .

 

[Pegster]

Arsenal can go fuck themselves with their buy back clause. They have already fucked us over with the Ramsdale deal.

How have they ' fucked us over with the Ramsdale deal ' ?

 

[CaptainMorgans]

Sydie Peck - £15m
Michael Cooper - £12m
Gustavo Hamer - £12m
Anel Ahmedhodzic - £10m
Vini Souza - £12m

Id be surprised if we're not receiving bids for all of them if we don't go up.
There'd be a serious prospect of losing all of them.

Agree that they could all go but I expect to receive at least 25% more than the figures quoted, with bolt ons in addition.

Circa 25% uplift.

Peck - £18.75m
Cooper - £15m
Hamer - £15m
Souza - £15m
Ahmedhodzic - £12.5m

Fair enough.

Anel aside (final year), I don't think that looks too crazy.

 

[Houston_Blade]

No one knows how Arblaster will come back from injury and how it’s affected him so it’s a bit short sighted to say he’ll be behind him next season. Both are great prospects but we aren’t getting anything above £15m fees as a Championship club for either of them. Given how Wilder spends money I’d rather keep them.

 

[bertieblade]

Circa 25% uplift.

Peck - £18.75m
Cooper - £15m
Hamer - £15m
Souza - £15m
Ahmedhodzic - £12.5m

Fair enough.

Anel aside (final year), I don't think that looks too crazy.

Either way it is all about opinions, which generate debate and we are in a lot better position now than we were 12 months ago.

COYRWW

 

[Pedro Verde]

Both are great prospects but we aren’t getting anything above £15m fees as a Championship club for either

Didnt we get £15m for Osula with hardly any first team experience

 

[Houston_Blade]

Didnt we get £15m for Osula with hardly any first team experience

Yes, a I imagine a young striker is more valuable than midfielders.

 

[nopigfansintown]

The new owners goal is to consolidate United in the Prem. To do that you have to get promoted with a number of players capable of playing at that level.Interesting times...

 

[Englebert Wincobank]

I get the football food chain but we'd be mad to contemplate letting Peck go. With the loanees gone and Anel, Vini and Hamer gone, we have 5-6 first team players who are good enough to see us mount a promotion challenge next year (assuming we stay down).

Peck and Cooper are two of them. Need to retain or we face an even bigger rebuild than last year.

 

[Pintor75]

All these suggestions seem to be if we don't go up, which we still can, then they are playing in the premiership with us ( obviously) and their wages will maybe double, plus a promotion bonus thrown in might encourage them to stay around, remaining in the Championship is what we don't need

 

[Ron_Justice]

It'll be a shame if he goes. However, this won't be the first time, as we all know. And, for me, it's different to players like Blaster or A Brooks - our products, from school boys. Peck is in the same category as D Brooks, Illiman and Jebbison - another academies product that we've polished into a saleable asset which, l would think, yields an even bigger profit because they've been on our books for a lot less time.

A shame for sure, but as someone else put it, this is the football food chain and players aren't passive bystanders, they're fully active, influential cogs in the machine, pushing and pulling their situation to satisfy their ends. Just like the rest of us.

 

[jono_t2000]

I'm probably in the minority but if we get a good offer for Peck, I'd take it.

As I've said numerous times before, high energy playee but flatters to deceive taking too long in decision making and often allow opposition to reorganize and ends up playing the safe option.

A good prospect but wouldn't be distraught if we sold for a good offer.

 

[Sheffsteel]

So much for new owner investment. Already flogging the assets we have. Not a good sign if true.

Hopefully your contact is wrong.

How can you give an opinion if you only know half the story.

If we sell for a big price then it’s a great piece of business. To be honest if we’re still in the Champinship then we have to sell to plug the shortfall.

The new owners are business men and hopefully they’ll run out club properly instead of gambling like Chansiri did risking FFP failures and points deductions.

 

[Champagneblade]

I reckon Souza will be here for a good time rather than a long time.

Should look to cash in on him and invest in a Peck/Arblaster midfield.

Peck is a better play maker. Main thing Souza has is his size but Peck and Arblaster are both tenacious.

I think there is more future in that. Though you’ve also got to think squad depth. It’s a bit foolhardy to think Arblaster and Peck will play 38 matches if we went up.

 

[Sheffsteel]

I'm probably in the minority but if we get a good offer for Peck, I'd take it.

As I've said numerous times before, high energy playee but flatters to deceive taking too long in decision making and often allow opposition to reorganize and ends up playing the safe option.

A good prospect but wouldn't be distraught if we sold for a good offer.

A well run club should always accept offers for players over their value as long as they have replacements or contingencies lined up.

No doubt someone will say we’re a selling club, not realising that Man Utd and Liverpool are also selling club, the feeder clubs for Real Madrid and Barcelona.

This is potentially great news, let’s hope there’s an auction for his services to push the price up to 25 million.

 

[Bookers Mullet]

Will be a big statement from the new owners, one way or another.

IF we sell, it'll be interesting to see how much is reinvested, if the money is used wisely all good, if it disappears into the mythical black hole, well at least we know where we stand.

Like others have mentioned, there are a list of players I'd like to think we could sell before Peck to raise funds (Anel, Vini to name 2), but I suppose that all depends if anyone wants them.

Maybe a total disaster but I'd like to see us build a team with the young talent we have, Peck, Blaster and maybe One and Baptiste. Supplement this with a few older heads, and we're looking good.

 

[Sheffsteel]

I reckon Souza will be here for a good time rather than a long time.

Should look to cash in on him and invest in a Peck/Arblaster midfield.

Peck is a better play maker. Main thing Souza has is his size but Peck and Arblaster are both tenacious.

I think there is more future in that. Though you’ve also got to think squad depth. It’s a bit foolhardy to think Arblaster and Peck will play 38 matches if we went up.

The problem is clubs often only want your best players or the ones with the most potential.

You rate Peck and Arblaster higher than Souza and they are both younger and you can bet other clubs think the same. Wouldn’t be surprised if we attract bids of £10 million for Souza, where as Peck and Arblaster would be easily over £20 million.

If we go up we can afford to hold out for more, where as it we stay in the Championship we’re under pressure to bring in 50 million on transfer.

 

[Sheffsteel]

I don’t think there is a right or wrong way to handle it to be honest. We’ll benefit either way

Personally I’d love to see him stay and take us forwards along with the likes of Blaster.

Good summary.

In business you have to take away the emotion and be pragmatic.

The bottom line is if he stays you could argue we’ve benefited and if he goes you can argue we’ve benefited.

What will be…will be….we can’t lose either way.

Agree, a midfield of Peck and Arblaster is an exciting prospect. Still young with a high probability that both will improve over the years.

 

[SwissBlade]

Good summary.

In business you have to take away the emotion and be pragmatic.

The bottom line is if he stays you could argue we’ve benefited and if he goes you can argue we’ve benefited.

What will be…will be….we can’t lose either way.

Agree, a midfield of Peck and Arblaster is an exciting prospect. Still young with a high probability that both will improve over the years.

I think what we have to consider, regardless of our new owners is that we need to be sustainable as a club. We've built a very solid foundation to develop young players whether they've been with us all the way through the academy or they were players we picked up because they were released from other clubs, we've generated big money through this route. What we have to ensure is that we safeguard this as a business model for ourselves, especially with the ambition to get a top category academy (is it 1 or A, i forget )

The notion that if we have rich owners that we shouldn't sell is nonsense. We should use the sales in the right way and sell players for higher than we paid (or cost of development). The Prince understood this and i think it was even him or one of his spokespeople that reiterated this around the time Hecky took over from Slav. Its a sound business strategy and is used by many clubs, not always through academies, like Brentford have proved, but with a view to developing and moving players once their value has increased significantly.

We've had some success and failures over the years and we will of course always have some that don't make the increase, I think even the likes of Brewster should've been a player that sold for more, but we've had some bad luck with his injuries.

The two fold plan of developing the players whilst using those players to contribute to the success and moving the club forward is right. It's not about sentiment or lacking sentiment from the Club or Player perspective. Its about being realistic and pragmatic.

I'd love to see Peck and Blaster ripping up the leagues for the next 10 years and taking us to European glory, but i think there will be a time when we receive offers for them, Souza and several other players where we can then make the decision to accept bids. I said to Peck / his dad last week that the skys the limit for him, whether he's at United or elsewhere, i'd be happy for him and happy to see his success.

What we also have to keep in mind whilst we're on this route is something we've perhaps been slower to focus on is the next generation. It appears we're working on this now and have been for some time, but the databased scouting seems to be something the club is looking to work together on at all levels. Its one thing to tie down the likes of Peck and several other players down on long contracts which can protect the club, but its also important to be looking at the succession plan, which we're doing, it seems. Its one thing to lose a player for big money, but its another to have the next one in line ready to hit the ground running when called upon either because of sales or injuries.

 

[Jon Bon II]

If the likes of Brighton and Brentford have created a model that others look to follow we can't complain about following it .
Identifying and nurturing talent for huge profits which can be reinvested is what so many clubs would love to do.

That only works if you have the right people in place to reinvest the profits wisely. Wilder and whoever else at the club that are involved in transfer dealings, have shown on a number of occasions that they can't be trusted in that respect.

 

[SouthportBlade]

Comes with the territory, Other clubs would be daft not to be looking. Imagine Arblaster would have similar suitors if not for his injury. Ultimately shows we are doing something right.

At the end of the day, if a player is talented enough to play for an established PL team we are always on borrowed time. The whole narrative of ‘build a team around them for the next 5 years’ is bollocks. Doesn’t happen.

Over the last few years we’ve seen young players sold, but for the most part we’ve got a good price for them. If this is the case with Peck then I’ve no issue I suspect £15/20m is probably probably the right ball park to be classed as a “good price”

Personally think another year of first team championship football for Peck would do him wonders, moreover than bit part elsewhere.

 

[The Fox]

That only works if you have the right people in place to reinvest the profits wisely. Wilder and whoever else at the club that are involved in transfer dealings, have shown on a number of occasions that they can't be trusted in that respect.

I agree , despite the contract I'm not sure wilder is the long term plan and why Des will still be around .

 

[Northyorksblade]

Sydie is very ambitious. If he gets a good offer I reckon he'll be off, especially if Wilder goes.

 

[Berkshire Blade]

That only works if you have the right people in place to reinvest the profits wisely. Wilder and whoever else at the club that are involved in transfer dealings, have shown on a number of occasions that they can't be trusted in that respect.

Remind me who signed Peck

I like Peck but the sky isn't the limit for him. He's not big enough or technically gifted enough for that. His intensity is his best asset but imo that should be a given for any player. I saw someone post about who would play for England out of our players on here and had to laugh when someone mentioned Peck tbh.